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Barbarian excluding eroge maker Minori is seemingly not content with excluding non-Japanese visitors from its site in retaliation for being forced into extremes of censorship by its own puritanical ratings body; the risible message on their site claims to be “defending our culture”, but in comments to prying Japanese media their CEO provides another excuse entirely, claiming they are protecting foreigners from making criminals of themselves by visiting their site.

For some reason their email response to the enquiries of Japanese news site J-Cast was made publically accessible to all comers; it can be seen here whilst it lasts (a proxy will be required for those outside Japan), or cached here.

Their CEO’s comments on their reasoning run thusly:

“If one of our products or the site itself were viewed overseas it might be a crime, and the viewer might become a criminal in their country. Since that would be our fault, it would be most regrettable.

We also take other measures, such as checking the user is running a Japanese operating system, to ensure that only Japanese users can run our software.”

Quite a different response to that given to foreign visitors.

Of course, on just about every other website on the Internet, the burden is on the viewer to ensure the content they are viewing is legal in their locality, not the publisher.

They also go on to rubbish the sale of eroge to foreigners as being a tiny market where they would have to translate their games into every language under the sun, presumably having never thought of just translating into English like every other company in the international market for visual novels…

Putting aside the suspect nature of the excuses they offer, it seems the real reasoning behind their ban is a lack of interest in the international market coupled with a desire to show that they are taking care to restrict availability of their products overseas, so as to undermine the notion that they are provoking overseas groups into Japan bashing.

Unfortunately, their real opponents are in Japan, and are interested in pursuing a domestic ban, not one on the tiny export trade…

Fans of the visual novel are doubtless well advised to support progressive, internationally minded companies such as Nitroplus, whose recent efforts promise a wealth of quality titles.



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    164 Comments
    Comment by Jo
    05:48 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yes because playing games makes you a criminal in this day and age.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:00 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yes certainly, playing some games is considered a crime in certain countries

    Comment by wtflolrolf
    06:08 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    okie... which do they prefer drug users or people who play loli games?

    loli, anime, DFC, etc is our drugs

    Comment by To Artefact
    07:17 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    If one of our products or the site itself were viewed overseas it might be a crime, and the viewer might become a criminal in their country. Since that would be our fault, it would be most regrettable.

    What do they mean by that? I'm really confused.

    Is he saying that if some foreigner saw loli, he is afraid that Minori might be blamed for this supposed "criminal offense"?

    Comment by Uraisamu
    07:21 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    murder and illegal drug US are totally ok in the US movies and games... but don't you dare have sex... genocide? sure no problem... but sex!? lolies!?

    Comment by To Artefact
    07:21 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Saw loli on their site, of course.

    Comment by King of Hentai Gods
    07:27 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    raping loli is the worst, rape adult is fine...

    Comment by Storm WIng
    08:39 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh puh-leeeease~

    Comment by Tenotanaka
    09:20 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    SHIT GUIZ, I WENT TO A JAPANSES WEBSITE OUTSIDE OF AUSTRALIAN/US LAW AND NAO I IS GOING TO GET DONEZ FOR TEH LOLIZ SAEV MEEEEEEEE - so am i doin it rite? or is this not quit the reaction minori wanted?

    Comment by Shinx
    09:27 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Go kill yourself

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:34 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    well feminazis are making it a crime for you guys to be looking at jap stuff.

    Comment by Tenotanaka
    15:52 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    All idiocy aside though, whats stopping the everyday otaku from using some random argument like "God gave me eyes, and I'm using them within my rights to view what I want to view when I want to view it" I'm pretty sure it would be hard to stop an otaku staring at a loli humping a telephone pole IRL bar arrest of the loli for indecent exposure amirite?

    Comment by apez
    16:36 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    im not sure if its just me or something but dosent this site haver just about everything perverted and japanies?? does that mean i should b afraid 2 logo onto sankakucomplex?

    Comment by project_arms
    22:57 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    raeping loli is fine too... as long you don't hurt them lol

    Comment by Aeromax
    06:31 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    "I’m pretty sure it would be hard to stop an otaku staring at a loli humping a telephone pole IRL bar arrest of the loli for indecent exposure amirite?"

    No, the guy would probably be jailed

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:37 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    And there goes another post for Suzacu and another war between Japanese and Western otaku because of more sensationalist articles and misquotes by Sankaku Complex...

    I just hope the Japanese people will be able to notice that we still love them, nevertheless.

    Comment by Artefact
    09:31 08/07/2009 # ! Guesswork

    Suzacu and company already emailed me telling me they agreed with us, and they are welcome to post these and any others.

    Explain how it is a misquote? There are misquotes in the J-Cast article (for a start it quotes "eroge sakoku" as being originated by us when we were just using the term 2ch invented), yet I do not see anyone complaining about those?

    Comment by Mikurus Boobs
    14:57 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I see! - just as Nostradamus predicted!

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:02 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    unfortunately...people do get arrested because of a few games nowadays.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:24 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Technically, this is true.

    Take Canada, for example. Willingly viewing a site known to contain a _depiction_ of a minor engaged in a sex act would be considered "accessing child pornography", is a felony, and punishable by up to five years in prison.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:17 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Which is lame to every extent, but we've already seen our share of arrests because of frikin manga...

    Comment by Chris
    12:40 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    One of those laws that's massively broken on a daily basis. Anime has a pretty big following in Canada, and I'm pretty sure that reading a simple 'ecchi' manga could under some interpretations be considered illegal.

    That said, even comic book stores sell the stuff. Hell, I the one down the street from my house has a fair selection of hentai titles, most of which have their token loli character.

    All related convictions for viewing/owning/accessing 2D loli are coupled with either importation (trying to bring the shit into the country), or combined with actual CP offenses. In fact, I don't even know of a single case where someone was charged for having -just- 2D loli on their computer...

    Not in Canada anyway.

    Comment by apez
    16:38 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    ya , but that is ment to stop pedapliles like mj from encureging them to rape lil kids

    Comment by npal
    01:59 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Fail comment is fail.

    Comment by Firo
    09:58 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    apez, 'cuz of ppl like you stuff like this is happening.
    I'm playing CoD and that makes me a potential criminal? Yeah, rite~...

    Comment by Castronaut
    12:46 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Playing Sim City in Nicaragua will result in an arrest and a trial by combat.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:37 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Mortal Kombat, I hope. :P

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:49 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    ALL HAIL BRITANNIA!!!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:53 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Shut up faggot.

    Comment by Fatty
    06:33 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    samefag

    Comment by Master
    07:56 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    This isn't 4chan..
    Go away.

    Comment by apez
    16:40 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    whats wrom with britatania?? i think it would b awsom to have giant air battles and super mechs

    Comment by ZERO
    05:54 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Time to wake up from the dead and bring another revolution! Eroge games for everyone!

    Comment by ニャニャ:3
    06:57 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    ALL...HAIL...EMPRESS LOLI.

    Comment by Otakuandrew
    06:45 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Fuck the U.K.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:39 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    And the USA

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:54 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    and your mama

    Comment by LanceRayne
    06:46 18/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    LOL

    Comment by maga
    06:00 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Honestly they need to think up a better excuse...

    Comment by WiseRooster
    06:06 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Least they stopped the scapegoating.

    Comment by Hangmen
    06:07 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah, something like "because our parents don't allow dirty foreigners to visit our house" or whatever.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:07 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Seriously, what's going on? All of a sudden everyone thinks porn and games are evil.

    Comment by WiseRooster
    06:07 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh you know those crazy moral crusaders neighbor kids with there silly antics they never stop to amaze.

    Comment by unellmay
    09:59 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    all of a sudden?

    Comment by ----
    06:08 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    The way things seem to be going, production and use of their works might end up being a crime WITHIN THEIR OWN COUNTRY. At least in the international market they wouldn't have to worry about censoring content (as long as no sex with children is depicted).

    Comment by D4RK-PH0ENiX
    06:19 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    define children. age, looks, clothes of moe anime and games are a crime in the eyes of american puritans who pay for the bashing march in Japan. well, this nonsense will not bring a holocaust, but I doubt the freedom of speech will exist in japan or any other country where american radical feminists with loads of money will force their legislation. people like otaku, anime lovers, gamers and, I suppose, other subcultures don't need freedom of expression like Agnes-chan says. soon you'll have your ugly milfs and 10 walls barriers between young sexes.

    Comment by WiseRooster
    06:30 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Ergo- "Bloody Freakin ridculous"?

    Comment by Jo
    06:31 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    At the end of the day, things are always going to banned. But that isn't the end. Drugs have been banned for decades, people still use them where they shouldn't. REAL child pornography is banned, people still own it, and even have the guts to post it online.

    Comment by Bla7e
    08:16 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Only 10 walls? xD That's kinda little xD Even 100 won't be enough to stop a riot of raging otakus xD

    Comment by Bastille
    06:16 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Pft... Checking to see if a Japanese OS is being used only stops the most brain dead of people from installing things. Then again, given the mental power of most of the people involved in the march against eroge, it is a very effective tactic.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:23 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm more concerned about the mindset of the retards who actually want to play these stupid lolicon hentai games.

    sick fuckers

    Comment by Blitz
    06:40 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Like me? Go burn in hell, moralfag.

    *fap* *fap* *fap*

    Comment by apez
    16:48 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    hay , rape is never oky dont u go to prison then say rape is good if i ever found 1 of u pedophiles rapeing my sis's i would re-enact som of the torture methods in higurashi no naku koro ni

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:15 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKER!

    DO YOU SPEAK IT???!!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:42 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    How old is your sis?

    Comment by Aeromax
    06:35 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I don't forsee a SanCom user raping your sister.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:48 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I don't want to play lolicon games, just gangbang/tentacle rape games.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:10 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    not long before those are gone too

    Comment by ニャニャ:3
    06:58 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Equality Now cunt can get the fuck off my complex.

    Comment by Orio94
    07:31 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Hmmm I find it sorta ironic that I'm starting to get into eroge games because of reading articles like these....

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:19 10/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    aye

    Comment by gunzaku
    13:11 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    you should worry about the mindset of the REAL people who "play" REAL loli. now those are the REAL sick fuckers...and also the REAL people who rather save the fake victims than the REAL victims.

    those who play hentai games are just sick, but not fuckers...but then again, who in the world is not "sick"? blame god for creating imperfect humans.

    Comment by Yuriwa
    06:29 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Damn those Elevens...

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:43 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Fail

    Comment by gunzaku
    13:11 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    damn you, twelves

    Comment by Tenotanaka
    15:54 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's the thirteens i really hate....those bastards!

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:56 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    LOL. Well, they are getting pressure from Brittania. :P

    Comment by apez
    16:49 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    win

    Comment by Leon4000
    06:43 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Dang,...well one silver lining is that Nitroplus is definitely going to send some of their games over to other foreign companies. Other companies can also do that too..., but...right now I have nothing else to say.

    Comment by juuden
    06:45 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Minori can go get fucked!
    Their games suck anyway! Alcot is better than those guys!

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:22 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Their games sucks?
    I bet you don't played EF.

    Comment by SnooSnoo
    13:02 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Lol Alcot doesn't make any games with story anyway. Its just a fuckfest

    07:10 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Tisk tisk. Everyone knows countries run on the sick fantasies and raging hormones of the people. Its simple fact, but religious and shamed followers act like their better than that. Bullshit. Everyone wants to get off on whatever satisfies them. The entire reason for living is sex. Money, food, survival, all to get laid. Ignorance. No harm no foul, live and let die.

    Comment by MelancholyMomo
    07:52 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    sounds like you are trying to start a cult..

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:13 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    you are correct sir.

    12:56 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Who me? Not that that would be hard but manipulations not my style, even though people make it so easy. I havent the patience.

    Comment by Halconnen
    18:10 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Midnight: And I accidentally the entire comment.

    x.o

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:43 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    The more you prohibit/withhold something, the more appealing it becomes. GG eroge companies. Since this foreign devil cant buy your products, im going to go back to downloading them for free on the interbutt. Way to shoot yourselves in the foot, AND bow down to feminazi trash. Cmon Japan, do yourselves a favor and ship butterface Agnes back to china. It sounds like she would LOVE it there, especially with their new net censors.

    RAGE!

    Comment by ajnac
    08:02 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    ''''If one of our products or the site itself ????were viewed overseas???? !!!it might be a crime!!!, and the viewer ""might become a criminal in their country"". Since that would be our fault, it would be most regrettable.''''

    -LOL! LOL! LOL! ROFL! XD XD XD

    OK, minori you're going to my list of companies that... suck? nah, if it not for Miyako, I'll ditch them. I still support them. LOL!

    Comment by gunzaku
    13:18 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    what do you expect?some(but not all) foreigners are complaining that eroge will create lolicons that will hurt real children, thus making them "criminals". therefore, for "world peace", it is better not to let these infectious material leaks out and "corrupt" the minds of the pure foreigners and in the end, all the small children will be saved. btw, agnes chan is one of the foreigner.

    Comment by maxchain
    08:04 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm sorry, what was the story about? I seem to have gotten distracted by the headline image and started a torrent of whatever Ef - A Tale of Memories (Melodies?) is.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:06 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Japanese operating system"

    I think you mean American operating system translated to Japanese.

    Comment by Artefact
    09:33 08/07/2009 # ! Spurious

    "Japanese-version" operating system if you wish to be precise.

    Comment by Lazydabear
    14:20 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Make sure its a Sony or a Tobisha Brand Computers because like the Irish told me if its Gateway Computer its a peice of shit!

    Comment by Anon
    08:08 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, of course it's simply an excuse. They couldn't possibly publicize that they despise the ban without immediately being labeled by the people that proposed the ban in the first place.

    I wouldn't bash on Minori too harshly about this.

    Interestingly enough, I haven't heard much from Key in this whole fiasco. Persumably, their visual novels shouldn't be too affected at all, considering the likes of Clannad and Little Busters, which released without any ero in the first place?

    Comment by K
    17:55 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    especially since their amazingly hefty piece of shit debt Ef done so well for them over the past couple of years while they developed it. Although with the anime and the sales I think it's pretty much balanced out by now; so I don't think they deserve any sympathy other than a smack to the face. If you're going to be defiant towards something stay defiant in a single manner, don't tell someone red and another person blue.

    Comment by paul
    08:56 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    someone should just kill agnes chan and all the heads of all those feminist groups trying to censor eroges

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:12 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    loli is illegal in the US... you may very well get into trouble from viewing their site if you are American.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:19 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Actually it's not. As long as it's not real child pronography it's okay. Supreme court ruled that drawn children are not real.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:26 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    oi, some kiddo in the states here got busted for loli manga.

    didnt he get 12 years?

    I dunno mate, i wouldn't go flailin your loli pics around putin them on your cars bumper sticker or nuthin.

    Comment by Artefact
    09:35 08/07/2009 # ! Light

    Most of the world's 2D loli is probably hosted in America. The arrests have been on niggling technicalities.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:19 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    >_< please don't remind me.

    some guy got arrested for having loli manga not to long ago. didn't he get 12 years?

    anywho. I know a lot of countries have different rules.
    Norway for example, consensual sex age, is 16, where as age to posses pornography is still 18.

    you can have sex, but if you film yourself, your now a criminal.

    wait, i got off track...

    in some states of the US any form of pornography is Illegal.

    so... has anybody herd of what Leaf thinks about all this? the last i herd they came out with was tears to tiara.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:37 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    "in some states of the US any form of pornography is Illegal. " <-- this if a fucking lie. Any form of censorship is illegal under the US constitution. That said, some censorship still occurs, and it is the job of those on the side of Civil Liberties to fight off censorship. Question: I hear about US-based Civil Liberties groups all of the time, but I never hear about, say, German or Japan-based civil liberties groups. Why is this? Do they even exist or do they just lack any spine to fight off blatant censorship?

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:59 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    In germany there is a fight against censorship. One member of the Bundestag recently started a lawsuit against a new law concerning internet childporn.

    Said law is a bad joke. Sites with childporn - or other "unwanted" materials - are "blocked" by deleting them from german ISPs DNS servers. Nothing else is done. No action against childporn producers/sellers/whatever at all.

    Basically it is just pure censorship. And very effective. DNS can be changed in seconds...

    Comment by Halconnen
    18:15 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    German here. Anon above me:

    The whole fiasco is so much worse than that that I don't even know where to begin to pick your post apart, but yeah.

    We're in deep shit.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:17 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    They had crack or sumthing ? OH! I get it! they're scared that their cultural sex lust might get expose completely to the whole world! - RAPE ANY WOMEN AND YOU'RE FINE! - ONLY IN JAPAN OF COURSE! and this might become a plague to other countries w/c is of course , is a crime~ Well , if that's the reason , i might say there's definitely a sense to it. But , if this is the case , then it's either i'm amazed that... since when did they started to have conscience about their cultural insatiable sex drive?... OR they're just proctecting it getting expose to the level of like , U.N. ? Hohoho! This is intruiging~

    Comment by Halconnen
    18:26 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'd suggest you take a look at rape crime statistics in any shape or form of Japan versus other countries. Especially crimes involving children. Even if you assume only ten percent of child rape/abuse cases actually get found out/reported (which I'd consider is a darn pessimistic estimate), and all cases in... uh... 'child paradises' like the U.K. do get reported and none fall through the system (darn optimistic estimate), and you math up the numbers to the respective population count, Japan is still better off than the U.K. (and IIRC also the U.S., as well as quite a few other western countries) by a fair margin.

    I also suggest taking a look at any of the newsposts on here involving Japanese men slowly getting sick of women in general for a variety of reason.

    Of course, it's very possible that my internet-sarcasm-detector failed to light up here, but your post looked so absurd to me that I couldn't help responding.

    Comment by Naga_Ten
    09:29 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, this really isn't Minori's fault...

    They're just playing to the tune of what laws are supposedely being imposed. Kinda smart, i guess.

    Comment by sanimej2
    09:44 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    By the immortal words of Al Pacino... "GREAT ASS"!!

    Comment by imhgtsukishiro
    10:02 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    The evils of American and Chinese politics...

    Comment by M
    10:08 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm sure they're trying to "look" like they're doing something so they can receive less bashing....or they're just being nubbish >.>

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:14 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm hesitant to post this because I see there is hardly anyone else agreeing, but minori is correct.

    They cannot account for everybody outside of Japan so they assume that their website could get people in serious trouble and in turn, get them in trouble too. So to protect them this has been put in place, of course the morals are debatable to say the least, but I think minori just wants to make games, they don't want to feel scared or pressured like other companies have for more explicit games. And it's true, the eroge market outside of Japan is very low, with most people using illegal downloading to obtain them.

    While this does not work in the favour of foreigners, I don't think we should hold it against minori for this.

    Also, the headline is very decieving, minori said foreigners could potentially be criminals, not that they are criminals.

    Sorry if it's not my place to say this, I'm not trying to make troll comment and I'm not involved in the 4chan community.

    Comment by sycamore
    12:27 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    The problem is the motive of miniori isn't likely to be protecting the people that may view the site. They probably only have the motive of protecting their business, but are going about it the wrong way.

    Comment by gunzaku
    13:21 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    then what is the correct way then? any suggestion?

    Comment by gunzaku
    13:31 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    no worries my friend, although i too was concerned that the headlines may cause alot of bashing minori, after scroll through most of the comments, i can see that most people here were not deceived by the headlines. this is good news.

    i totally agree with you there, they are just trying to protect themselves. many eroge actually were meant to be played by japanese ONLY. including the illusion games, that is why you cant play them if you don't use special technique on your pc. it is the consumers own risk to play it outside japan. any damage caused by it should be the user's own responsibility.

    and minori didn't say foreigners are criminal. the law for each country may differs. something like eroge, which is legal in japan, may be a very "dangerous weapon that can harm people" in other countries. it may be fine in US but it may not in , say, islamic country?

    to minori, i am sad to hear you say this, but i won't blame you.

    Comment by Leon4000
    23:39 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah I get what you're saying. I haven't even forgotten about the risk involved with playing imported Japanese adult games. And you're right about Japanese defending themselves too, it can't be helped if something happens that gets them pressured and they have to defend themselves in any form. I'm still glad that some companies are willing to send their Japanese adult games to US, so I'm not going to whine about what's going on. Minori's not the one at fault here, they were pressured by the ban just as any other VG company that deals with eroge.

    Comment by Halconnen
    18:40 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I do get what you're saying, but it's still absurd.

    I've never seen a page implement blanket IP bans, or anything similar for a reason like "But the stuff hosted in our country might be illegal in another country". There's a "18+ or whatever is your legal age in your country only and if pornography at your place is illegal don't go here" disclaimer in the front, often in English too even if the page in question is in some other language, when the page has 'adult content'. If some dork clicks in there despite it being illegal in his country, that is his fucking problem. If it's content that is illegal due to other reasons but porn, and hence there ISN'T a disclaimer, that's still his fucking problem.

    What's next? American bloggers that consider Obama awesome having to add blanket bans for countries whose governments hate western countries? The concept is absurd.

    I look at my (drawn/2d!) loli well knowing that it can get my ass sued off over here sometime because the laws are backass retarded, but if that happens, the last thing I'll say in court is "But that Japanese gallery didn't mention it might be illegal over here! Sue them instead!". That's claiming like you didn't know murder isn't a good thing to do because there was no disclaimer on your fucking kitchen knife. It doesn't work that way.

    Then again, I'm the sort of person that also gets absurdly pissed off at retarded safety labels ("Danger, hot!" on coffee, "Do not use to dry pets!" on microwave ovens, and "Do not brake chain with genitals" on chainsaws) so my view here might be biased.

    (And at the same time, I kinda think that the sort of retard who makes labels like that necessary can't read them in the first place, either. x.o)

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:29 10/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    well stated - but people in the us still pretty much get the short end of all this

    Comment by LDC
    10:15 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    that pic makes me so horrny.

    Comment by TheTrueGOD
    10:23 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    As a man is just impossible not to love lolis, they are too cute. You only live once, so fuck off!

    Comment by memyselfandi
    10:35 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    well i cant belive im saying this but i agree with lot of this things the Japanese anime companies have been doing, i mean we gotta stop messing into other peoples business and start taking care of our own, if they like loli or whatever it is that they like in japan thats their stuff, we have no right to go and tell them what to do, we gotta stop making a big deal about stupid crap, that first its been around for a loooooong time, like now a days that everybody puts a lawsuit on anything or anyone for whatever little thing, if the Japanese like loli anime or manga or raep games or whatever they like , let them be and enjoy their stuff.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:54 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    it's not us, it's the feminazis that's been poking their nose around. they went after the little guys oversea precisly because their feminazi bullshit could never fly here in america.

    the japanese government instead of doing what they're supposed to do, in protecting their constitution and tell the feminazis to fuck off. japan's own moralfag politicians decided to use this as an excuse to promote their own agenda. soon after the eroge industry self regulation body follows.

    feminazis has been out of this picture for a while now. right now it's the japanese them selfs that are fucking them selfs over.

    Comment by gunzaku
    13:32 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    agnes chan is still there in the picture though

    Comment by Lazydabear
    14:23 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    The Strange part they are not banding Shotacon they are banding Lolicon which it seems Feminist don't seem to focus on.

    Comment by djmaca
    11:44 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    So foreigner + eroge = crime?

    Seriously, it's that Agnes' bitch fault! Saying that anime, manga and eroge promotes peadophilia.... Mad bitch!

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:15 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh come on, Agnes Chan is innocent, it's Japan fault for listen to her nonsense and UNICEF's fault for put her in change despair they all already known that her brain are long broken...

    Comment by Arokan
    11:47 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    FFS.

    Comment by Forlourned
    12:03 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Hey, if they want that corner of the market to themselves. Why not? When they finally get Crushed by the other more progressive companies, it'll be on their own damn shoulders to bare. >:C

    Comment by ibrahim
    12:04 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    oh noes, teh policez r comin 2 get mi!

    seriously though, even visiting Sankaku is considered a crime in my country

    screw our laws!

    Comment by gunzaku
    13:42 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    in my country, possession of porns, let it be 2d or 3d, loli or MILF, rape or not rape, or just plain nude, in any mediums: dvd, cd, soft copy in pc, books, pictures, you name it, will get you in jail!

    this is the world of isxxmic country.

    in fact, i'm having a hard time importing a (just one) figure (not 18xx, no cast-off). soon, there will be a figure trafficking job which pays as much as trafficking drugs!

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:48 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    where do you live? Malaysia? Saudi Arabia?

    Comment by Anonymous125
    01:38 10/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    The only Islamic state I know that is way too strict are those in the Middle East, specially that kingdom with tons of oil

    Comment by Holly
    12:25 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh if only the death noted existed, if I ever get one, Minori and Agnes Chan, you'll be the first ones on my list. =)

    Comment by Rincewind
    18:40 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Death Note... pfffff... Oyashiro-sama curse is the way to go. :D

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:06 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'd love to get my hands on a death note. I'd write my hands bloody...

    Comment by ----
    12:46 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Even though I hate how Minori is treating non-Japanese users, I have to admit that's some fine booty.

    Comment by SnooSnoo
    12:58 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    "We also take other measures, such as checking the user is running a JAPANESE OPERATING SYSTEM, to ensure that only Japanese users can run our software.”

    FUCK, does this mean we won't be playing Eden?

    Comment by Lazydabear
    14:24 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Its a Sony?

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:22 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    nono, snoo snoo...

    Hongfire will have it patched in no time ^_^

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:07 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Just switch your windows to japanese language. Should be done in about a minute.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:00 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    This shit just gets funnier and funnier.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:21 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Indeed, it's quite amusing to see how far will it get, even better than watch Mr Bean. I wonder who will get the title King of Fool at the end.

    Comment by M
    13:14 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Minori doesn't even MAKE the type of games that are being banned. wtf are they being so anal about? >.> Making themselves sound like a buncha naive visual novel makers...oh wait.

    14:33 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Actually ef and Eden* could be banned.

    Comment by gunzaku
    13:39 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    in my countries, possession of porns, let it be 2d or 3d, loli or MILF, rape or not rape, or just plain nude, in any mediums: dvd, cd, soft copy in pc, books, pictures, you name it, will get you in jail!

    this is the world of isxxmic country

    Comment by gunzaku
    13:43 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    wrong reply, ignore me

    14:16 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    minori, you broke my heart. You treated us foreign fans like trash. This is not right.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:48 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    well.. since yesterday playing CS on lan is a crime in germany but the worst is in australia XD

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:19 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    they are just being tsundere
    :3

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:12 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    To you good sir, I present a medal.

    For this, this is the truth indeed ъ(`ー゜)

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:19 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Seriously, they should STFU!!! Loli and those kind of stuff are part of Japanese Culture, and should keep on going!

    Comment by Tuapugui
    16:02 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Methinks we gotta write something as a group, and petition both the buggers in the Koumeito and Minori, ...and Yuzusoft.

    The apocalypse of eroge can't be what we want.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:28 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    We don't want apocalypse but we NEED Armageddon, but wait, who's gonna play the bad guy's route???

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:51 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I think this is a chance for other countries to update their Erotica. It should stop being limited to cheap, trashy romance novels that middle-aged, overweight spinsters read.

    We need MANLY erotica in the form of visual novels in the west.

    Benjamin Franklin and Marquis De Sade would agree. It is your duty, men of the West, to make superior Erotica.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:22 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Another company that seems to have taken the same approach as Minori is akatsukiworks

    Comment by Ano
    23:09 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Artefact I think you are being awefully harsh on the japanese firms judging from how you describe their actions.

    I think it is only reasonable for them to block out the foreign net viewers to save their business.

    Since problems came from overseas and as usual western's tendency to dominate other cultures caused alot of problems.

    Given the political situation, japanese politician will not disagree with what the feminist are saying.

    Also since most international fans torrent their products, it is no surprise they care little about overseas viewers

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:41 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    But the point is that it's not really going to help. And I don't think you can just assume that "most international fans torrent their products". Is there any evidence of that? All it shows is a blindness to the realities of the situation as well as cowardice, since these firms apparently aren't willing to object to or challenge the bans head-on.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:17 08/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Minori might have made ef, but they can go fuck themselves for all I care. If the foreign market is an issue, they're just losing money by blocking foreign customers from their site, and if it isn't, all they're doing is trying to kick up some worthless (and pointless) nationalistic sentiment. It sure as hell won't help them oppose any bans.

    Comment by Tuapugui
    16:00 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Minori makes nearly all of its money domestically.

    I don't s'pose its nationalistic sentiment. But its true the Western groups are the asses that started this. In preventing its stuff to leak to the overseas, they are essentially stemming the feminazis' argument that Japan is poisoning the rest of the world.

    Any tangible resistance put up by the companies will just be dismissed with aplomb by the moralfags. In an oriental society, producers' standing of adult material are compromised to begin with as they are expected to submissively stand down in any conflict....like prostitutes.

    Then again, the eroge industry could have been too pro-active and prominent in recent year, prompting the crackdown.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:11 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nooooooo Eden*~!!!! >.<

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:18 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Fact of the matter, foreign eroge market is nothing compared to domestic market.

    It's not painful or even itchy at all for minori to cut off foreigners.

    If you have a problem, perhaps you should show them otherwise. The $ way.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:21 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    >support progressive

    does not compute

    any one trying to get the GOVERNMENT to ban/regulate anything is the one with the progressive agenda despite any claims to the contrary.

    regulations are bad for everyone P.E.R.I.O.D.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:15 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    wait till i rape your mother due to no regulation against raping.

    Comment by Tuapugui
    16:11 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    This is it I've had enough of the feminazis.

    http://www.equalitynow.org/english/index.html

    A stand must be taken.
    Protest.

    The whole of Sancon and its forum should protest.
    What they are doing cannot be good.

    Th ban of eroge and eroanime will cause the dam of desire to break. And the libidinal vagaries of otakus worldwide who have drawn their strength from the loli boom will deluge the streets... increasing crime rates, societal mayhem and massive unemployment.

    We need a joint petition.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:12 09/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    As far as business is concerned, Minori is doing the right thing.
    They're protecting their (potential) customers.

    tl;dr: cry moar, biatches.

    Comment by TsundereWorks
    05:28 10/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    No problem. Get a Japanese version of Linux [Ubuntu, for example.] and run it through flash drive. Use a proxy from Firefox.

    But, problems are just going to get worse... Only God knows what will happen next...

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:45 10/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    What is it with human nature to go way to over-board with reforms, with the band wagon jumping media, doogooders and ppl scared of reprisals been the main culprits. I remember a few years in the UK, the whole man-woman equalty thing went too far with with alot of sexist against men tv progs been made while woman sexist things were a big nono.

    im not even a Vis novel fan but this pisses me off. i mean neko banned WTF?

    Comment by Metalbunny
    14:15 10/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Fuck..The government doesn't care about our way of gaming..And if they did nobody would dare to enforce it..

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:51 11/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    The final solution to this problem is for the US to drop two more nukes onto Japan.

    Sucks to be you if you live in Nagasaki or Hiroshima!

    Comment by hALOTOO
    15:43 13/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I have said it before and I will say it again, the reason why they are not doing well outside Japan is because their games are overpriced . Unless they are willing to change their strategy than it's unlikely they will receive much support outside Japan and hope they don't do anything stupid like "Japanese operating system".

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:43 14/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    JUST PLAY DOTA YOU FUCKING RETARDS!

    Comment by T1
    04:07 18/08/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    DOTA, lolz...no nakid loli there getting raped, dude.

    Oh, well...if it was up to me then ppl like that (the geeks who agrees with that action) should just get their ban...xenophobes deserve that if you ask me.

    Why fight it yourself when you can get the geek in the world riled about it? Right, Japan? *shakes head*

    Fuckers deserve their Agness up their asses

    /me goes to annoy his friends in japan to take revenge, kekekekekekkee

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:06 23/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Man, Japan must be the most xenophobic country in the world. Every time I visit this site, it's just another story of a Japanese website blocking foreign access. And don't even get me started on those Uyoku pricks.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:39 22/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    But this is the first time. Not others where it can be visited as normal.

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