Eroge Maker Minori: “Dirty Foreigners Get Off Our Site!”
- Categories: Games, News
- Date: Jun 24, 2009 15:53 JST
- Tags: Censorship, Eroge, Gaikokujin, Internet, Minori, Politics, Sites
Visual novel production company Minori, noted for producing hits such as Ef, Wind and Eden, has responded to the reprehensible decision by Japanese politicians and eroge publishers to ban “rape” eroge by issuing an indiscriminate and nonsensical ban of its own: they have banned all non-Japanese IPs from viewing their site.
By the esoteric wonders of mod_geoip the crafty company has excluded the foreign eroge banning devils from their site completely, with a terse Engrish reminder that the world would be better off if the Japanese were not so spineless in response to foreign pressure:
minori official website.
This website cannot be browsed excluding Japan.Some foreigners seem to be having an antipathy against EROGE.
Therefore, We prohibited the access from foreign countries, to defend our culture.
Sorry for you of the fan that lives in a foreign country.minori Inc.
The completely redundant screenshot of same:
Their normal site looks something like this, admittedly not much of an improvement:
It is questionable whether there is any point or practical effectiveness to any of this, as anyone can easily access the Japanese version of the site by way of a free proxy service, be they disappointed barbarian fans or Japan bashing feminists looking for a soft target.
More pointedly, the company in question seems to have forgotten that it was the Japanese mass media who publicised the story, Japanese politicians who pressed for a ban, and their own industry group who cravenly acceded to these demands…
Blaming all non-Japanese for the actions of a minor American busybody feminist group seems more an exercise in xenophobia than a logical appraisal of just who is really at fault here.
It would appear that some in Japan do indeed need to “learn to say ‘no’” to both the world and their own wretched politicians and cowardly businessmen.
Thanks to ステク for the tip.
wow they're dirty !
That's makes sense. Since the feminist comes from outside of japan.
You just make us foreigners seem even more retarded than them by supporting it. It is an ignorant, xenophobic, indiscriminate act directed AT US. We should never support it, not even partially agree.
I love Japan too, but please, let’s have some pride and common sense.
Oh hello there.
http://www.ijapan.org/blue
+
http://www.minori.ph
(This a symbolic act for any Japanese reading this.)
What we voted in obama who is a far left candidate. Atleast he's to busy taking over big companies right now. Instead of banning everything to be politlicly corect.
“We always keep minority spirit.”
@ about us page.
Their motto. I lol'ed.
What about the minority of foreigner fans they have?
Not that I seriously think the motto is anything beside a cheesy Engrish Japanese pun, of course.
you know what? anybody that bans eroge/porn is my enemy is what i think right now, be it politicians or feminazis..
il go 'rawr' on them :3
"What we voted in obama who is a far left candidate. Atleast he’s to busy taking over big companies right now. Instead of banning everything to be politlicly corect."
"Obama" "far left"
Fucking shat my pants laughing.
Well. At least we see that some of them have balls. Now these game producers just need to level up their brains. I'm sure they'll pull it off. I hope it does start a wave of anti-feminism acts among the industry. Usually, all it takes is one guy to lead the way.
Oh well. It was bound to happen. Though, if people are going to talk about Xenophobia, think about how the US is to people in person. So, really, why get mad about something that your own country does.
It won't last long though since I believe this stuff is to hard to control.
I say we slaughter all of the feminists and erase their filth from existance.
Leave the busty rape hentai alone, the others like loli get ban fine!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-positive_feminism
Sex-positive feminism centers on the idea that sexual freedom is an essential component of women’s freedom. As such, sex-positive feminists oppose legal or social efforts to control sexual activities between consenting adults, whether these efforts are initiated by the government, other feminists, opponents of feminism, or any other institution. They embrace sexual minority groups, endorsing the value of coalition-building with members of groups targeted by sex-negativity. Sex-positive feminism is connected with the sex-positive movement.
The cause of sex-positive feminism brings together anti-censorship activists, LGBT activists, feminist scholars, sex radicals, producers of pornography and erotica, among others (though not all members of these groups are necessarily both feminists and sex-positive people). Sex-positive feminists reject the vilification of male sexuality that they attribute to many radical feminists, and instead embrace the entire range of human sexuality. They argue that the patriarchy limits sexual expression and are in favor of giving people of all genders more sexual opportunities, rather than restricting pornography (Queen, 1996).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_feminism#Sex-negative.3F
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_feminism#Criticisms
Betty Friedan and other liberal feminists often see precisely the radicalism of radical feminism as potentially undermining the gains of the women's movement with polarizing rhetoric that invites backlash and hold that they overemphasize sexual politics at the expense of political reform.
I'm a 18 year old girl but even I think feminists are a bunch of fugly, noisey, insecure, fussy bitches who can't keep their own blackhead-ridden noses out of other people's business. They are to busy obsessing over what they know are weaknesses that they have and men don't and instead of finding something they can be good at like being pretty, charming and friendly, witty, and clever, they spend time trying to be what they can never be. Reminds me of this feminist bitch in my 12th grade class I just graduated from; MUSCLE training because " a woman can be just as strong as any man! We just aren't given a fair advantage!" Fucking hell...
@Sue: She seems like a girl that would have been fun to watch. What did she end up doing after the class you had with her?
I agree with sue on this one. I'm a 20 year old female and find all of this the be stupid. This isn't asking for equality, this is asking for superiority.
Rather than get mad at men for liking to oogle big breasted women (2-d and 3-d), why not become an interesting conversationalist? I have several male friends 'cause I share their interests.
Why be equal when you can be superior?
Especially if your targets have spines made of Tissue paper apparently
@Kamanashi : It was gym class and afterwards we had lunch. She was a Trader Joe's bitch. A real health food nut.
But my point is ... this is fucking science people. And not even rocket science. Men are biologically created to be stronger. I would know, I was in IB biology. And why is it that you cannot leave girly magazines around in an office without some overly self-conscious twat suing the flipping company? If you are sitting in an office and going on and on about how attracted you are to a male actor, why can't a man talk about what he finds attractive about a woman? This is off the topic of Ero-Games but it's all the same thing. Whiny uninformed wenches who should just shut up and keep complaining at their book clubs and leave the rest of the world out of it. They are crippling an entire market!
Nonsensical statement since it doesn't matter where the feminists come from because that doesn't change the fact that every single one of them are retarded bitches.
I see you're an intelligent, logical, cultured and well versed person.
I also see the merit in this statement.
Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. To wipe my ass with it.
Actually, I have to agree with anonkoripasta. Fact is that all feminists (with a VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS TODAY) are retarded bitches who seem to have nothing better to do with their time than campaign for 'rights' that men don't have and children don't have, but which they seem to think that they should have.
nigga please, feminists come from everywhere and believe it or not, but your infallible land of the rising sun is no exception.
Amazing, right?
"defend our culture" thats a pretty powerful statement...
fuck their weaboo culture
Excuse me, what?
Are you retarded...? Yes...
How ironic that they use a Philippines url.
haha
i agree
get a brain to understand TLDs or gtfo the internet
lol that .ph doesn't really stands for Philippines just because it ends up as .ph . It's another html language that uses that extension name. And there's a lot of site that does this - this is more of an html language code side. xD
but they are using philippes top level domain. .ph in http://www.minori.ph/ is their TLD, not some web programming language
Oh the irony. I'm from the Philippines and I can't get in to minori's website. D:
you are stupid as fuck please don't talk about things you don't have a clue of
PH = Philipines, not PHP ;P
Considering how easy the Japanese government caves in, do you blame them??
.PHP >> i think this is what you are referring to
They only allow JP traffic while actually blocking their own domain country(and elsewhere) then...Smart.
At least they could've spared PH IP's.
LOL So True.
I'd defend the kind of culture anyday! :D
"More pointedly, the company in question seems to have forgotten that it was the Japanese mass media who publicised the story, Japanese politicians who pressed for a ban, and their own industry group who cravenly acceded to these demands…"
Now I shall sit and wait to see if this sinks in with ANYONE else who comments on the site, on the forums, or in IRC or just continues to give too much credit to some foreign 'feminist' groups.
Right you are! It's the dirty, american, femnazi pigs who are truly to blame for this crisis!..
I hope you're trolling, because you just proved his point exactly.
hmm, but i would seriously beleive that they started it all, without their trolling, the industry wouldnt have to stoop this far
But it is just that, trolling, it's dumbasses who pay mind to dumbasses that are really to blame.
Well, the Japanese mass media is one thing, but do you really think Japanese EOCS is buckling to nothing, or that the Japanese government is even bothering to get off its knees just due to a little feminist group.
It would seem quite obvious that this stupid feminist group is the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back in the West's long efforts to restrict Japanese pornography due to it "exploiting" non-existent women.
Bunch of retards. Now they are going to lose customers from countries that will buy their shit uncensored.
Not that easy in the first place since getting a publisher to translate and bring something outside of Japan is easier said that done. Too much money involved in both licensing to the Japanese company as well as the other logistics like paying for the translation itself and distribution combined with a very small purchasing demographic. There are enough people in Japan who buy these in order to sustain a company along with supplemental items (figures and the like) which also rake in money. Overseas such a paying userbase does not exist.
agreed, the international market aint nothing, i would cut ties with the rest of the world so that people would stop bitching about it and destroy the culture any more than they have already done
only a matter of time untill all the other circles catch up
You don't seem to understand how fragile eroge companies are and how easy are they to fold in Japan.
With the stupid contents ban, for eroge will really struggle to continue to produce games that can satisfy their customers; I mean try imagine for McDonalds/Burger King etc...if the use of meat products was banned, how much revenue do you think they can make by selling vegeburger and salad alone? I myself would probably never set foot at the place again. The business probably won't survive.
And let's face it. Foreign 'customers'? What foreigh 'customers'? I bet 99.5% of the foreign eroge players buy privite copies or download the games for free.
lol, "to defend our culture" xD
why?
don't you think that's why it's hard to get citizenship there?
I find the word culture is misfitting.
That's like the porn industry complaining about bans by saying that America's culture is being effected.
I don't think a respect for Eroge is what'll get you in there either... ;)
Because only a tiny [http://www.healthymind.com/s-porn-stats.html] minority [http://www.nationalcoalition.org/statisticspornography.asp] in America watches porn, AMIRITE?
(Granted, I'm sure that, given their agenda, those sites probably play up the statistics, but still...)
win.
It's hard to get citizenship there? Shit, I think my dream plan might be in jeperdy... T_T
Your dream plan was doomed from the start. I don't even have to know what you planned to do to make a living.
School-girl trafficking ring administrator. Very cultural, very authentic :)
You are an idiot if you plan to become a citizen of Japan, especially if you are not at the very least Japanese looking.
It's like combining the speed of the DMV, with the efficiency of getting directions from someone over the phone who clearly does not speak your language well. Just enjoy your visa's that may or may not be renewed on time.
i think its fitting, its the otaku 2D culture that not that many counties truly understands, sexually oriented games... where else but japan do you get quality H games like this? right, in america you have crap 3D gen vids.... that stuff is junk,
Got to agree with you. The 3D games from Japan are MUCH BETTER than the crappy 3D porn games that Americans make, speaking as an American myself.
Even the 2D games surpass the 3D American porn games by LIGHTYEARS!
Well, it's true that the foreign feminists are to blame...
It's just right to ban non-locals from entering their site, since the feminists blame Japan for world corruption, then so be it, Japan should isolate herself again...
but for us... let's just trust our San Con and friends for sending out the good stuff...
I personally find it a good thing. Although the material of the site may be liked by a good sum of people in other countrys, atleast it's a way of keeping those skuzzy bitches away from their culture and how they choose to live their lives.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-positive_feminism
Sex-positive feminism centers on the idea that sexual freedom is an essential component of women's freedom. As such, sex-positive feminists oppose legal or social efforts to control sexual activities between consenting adults, whether these efforts are initiated by the government, other feminists, opponents of feminism, or any other institution. They embrace sexual minority groups, endorsing the value of coalition-building with members of groups targeted by sex-negativity. Sex-positive feminism is connected with the sex-positive movement.
The cause of sex-positive feminism brings together anti-censorship activists, LGBT activists, feminist scholars, sex radicals, producers of pornography and erotica, among others (though not all members of these groups are necessarily both feminists and sex-positive people). Sex-positive feminists reject the vilification of male sexuality that they attribute to many radical feminists, and instead embrace the entire range of human sexuality. They argue that the patriarchy limits sexual expression and are in favor of giving people of all genders more sexual opportunities, rather than restricting pornography (Queen, 1996). Sex-positive feminists generally reject sexual essentialism, defined by (Rubin, 1984) as "the idea that sex is a natural force that exists prior to social life and shapes institutions". Rather, they see sexual orientation and gender as social constructs that are heavily influenced by society.
Thats just an excuse for them to fuck other men when they are bored of the same rich bastard..
Personally, I tell my females that they can fuck other men if they wish, I don't really care as long as they don't get pregnant and then try to say that the baby is mine!
"Japan should isolate herself again…"
THIS, they should wait 'till i imigrate there first :3
sensou no hajimari da!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ガイジンどもめ！氏にやがれ！！
ひどい！ 私たち（ガイジンどもめ）は友達でしょ？
GAIJIN us first! And Mr. Do! !
Awful! We (our first GAIJIN) are you friends?
So true.. xD
lol...
'GAIJIN us first! And Mr. Do! !'
Please don't trust what you get off a translation tool/page ;p
友達？笑わせるな！お前たちみたいなグソ野郎のお陰でこっちはバラバラになったんだ。さっさと死ね！
『お前たち』か？確か、このサイトの住人たちはほとんどエロゲがサポートするでしょ？悪いのは俺たちじゃない、Equality Nowやソフ倫のせいだ。
Sorry My English is very poor,So Please forgive Japanese Post.
ここで既にいくつか述べられているように日本は外圧(外国からのプレッシャー)に弱い。もちろん、捕鯨など抵抗している問題もあるが、"海外の世論"として外圧に沿った政策を進めたいグループが大きく利用するためだ。今回の規制は一部のマスメディアや政治家に極めて鮮かにしてやられた。もはや一ソフトハウスにできることはこのような手段のみだったのだろう。その意味でこのスレッドのタイトルや日本人を差別主義者よばわりすることは良くないと思う。だからエロゲーを応援してくれるというなら、あなた方の国でも正規に手に入れることができるよう、あなた方の国を動かし、"外圧"をかけてほしい。
sono toori
Hahahaha! This is a masterstroke!
It's just Japan getting all xenophobic again. Wait; they never stopped.
I hope japs rot away by not procreating.
They haven't had normal birthrate since the 90s.
Screw you! Why won't you just rot away along with the things that make the world a hell hole like crack, weed, and N.Korea's Stupidity and Nuclear threats/warfare.
FALCON PUNCH~
Funny Fact; The Falcon disagrees with most of this.
Fight nonsense with greater nonsense is our ONLY way!
Lol eroge is not gonna make japan isolate itself
its so much emphasis on "eroge" runs japan that you forgot about the other things japan brings to the table, if it really ran japan, shit would be hitting the fan about the bans. dont think most people here care about japan as a whole, you just care for the 2d comming from it and feeding your penis, lotion. now thats about gone its like "Jap???? huh?"
True, but they don't make such a big deal out of it until foreigners threaten the prime minister or other political figureheads.
Then they need to stand up and tell them to shut the fuck up, as americans we do that shit a lot when people don't like something of america
japan just need to stand up
Ha, that would be un-Japanese, my son! You have to preserve the "Wa" and maintain the tatemae. So, you politely isolate yourself from the rest of the world, once again...
Being God, I used to spectate Japan when it turned on the Sakoku [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakoku] mode, you know. Haha, it was fun.
Nippon Banzai!!!
Defend your culture from the pandemic of unnecessary kill-joy censorship!!!
With an equally unnecessary and ineffective act of making your site open to Japanese IPs only. As the article stated, easily bypassed by using a Japanese proxy.
And just making you looking retarded (specially with the Google-Translator-Engrish), in the end...
A ballsy move, no doubt. The question here is whether it's a brainy one.
Kind of obvious that it's not
It's just one company, and we can proxy our way into it, its not the end of the world, nor should we accuse japan of being xenophobic about it, since, once again it's just one company.
I also believe its a good move. Feminist pigs are to be blame.
No, they are just feeding the minds of Japanese otaku that somehow monsutaa Gaijin are to blame, and not really the media and the EOCS. It will probably stir up hate in 2ch and Nico Nico Douga against "gaijin", while deviating whom they should really be blaming, fighting, etc.
Just another sad tale of xenophobia stemming from Japan.
(I'm God, I would know that, haha.)
I still believe it's a good move, this way, feminist nazi groups cant see their products and therefore cant complain about them.
Also, seeing the effect they caused stirring companies like this, the feminist nazis are just gonna go after the issue harder and harder, since its their 15 minutes of fame.
OH HELLO THERE
Soooooo Funny
When there is a crisis between otaku and feminists,
you western otaku choose to fight japanese otaku....
And you western people's logic is :
"You block me?! You bastards" without thinking
why do they block me? is there a misunderstanding between westerners and japanese otaku?
no thing logical, nothing effective.
Your idiocy will do well in destroying otaku from inside.
I shall stop my support to otaku because the group is simply too stupid.
The group splits itself when facing great enemy!
The group never considers cause and effect, but simply blames!!
lol
Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
You're saying that you're going to judge an entire group because a few members of said group judged another group based on the actions of a few members?
Whoa, stop trying to disrupt his rant with logic. Logic is BAD. BAD.
You seem like the kind of person who gets easily distracted by shiny objects.
Lets be real.
The truth your japanese company Minori starts to punish us western otakus for what your country as done, not what the west has done...not western otakus fighting japanese otakus.
The idiocrazy is that the japanese people is finding this to be okay, to block out the western otakus.
Just like how the japanese otaku gets angry when something unfair happens to them, we do too. Just like how you pay back to them, we do too.^^
Lets unite against this shit and stop making a censored world.
oh hentai censored is bad :P
Censored is bad,ban is worse.
Mosaic is japan's culture :3
doubt about it. If I'm not wrong, it was ordered by USA when they occupy Japan after WWII, and it is still used until now. Also, I thought there is an article in here about censorship in japan.
Nope, it was introduced in the begining of 1900. Funny thing is that CP was legal to sell until just some years ago.
無理もない
何？
wtf.... minori.ph???
PH is Philippines
as you can probably guess, minori.jp was taken ages ago due to its rather common name.
Ryuuji should have taken Minori's route sooner, in Japan...
why feminist don't die already :nyoron:
Just another day in Japan. When you must blame some group for whatever kind of damage has been happening to something, you blame the non-Japanese.
Pretty much like we do in the West with the jews, haha!
I'm God, I would know that.
(Yes, I live in the West.)
the way i see it:
1) the japs create the magnificent eroge, and gracefully shared to the outside country
2) some group of people, outside japan, complained about it
3) the japs react: fine, you don't want it? we don't give you!
just to be fair, nothing of this would have happen if number 2 didn't commence. i'm not japanese, i blame non-japanese!
i'm no god but i not stupid, i know at least something.
so if we complained about you it would be totally okay to not let anyone in your country into ours? Thats the kind of logic you are using XD
Stop blaming a few people for your faults. There will always be a few ppl who won't like no matter how nice you make it to them. You shouldn't punish everyone cuz of a few stupid people.
Something is missing between 2) and 3).
There are few Japanese governors who HAPPILY took in those crazy fems' statements (some of which are, coincidently, crazy fems). Now they are shoving around EROGE industry to restrict and censor like crazy.
Maybe the company HP has shut down the IP access as a part of responses to such terroristic threats.
While their ban is pointless, I standby their decision to speak out and act (if wrongly) against the eroge ban.
As the the Beastie Boys would say,
"you gotta fight, for your right... to hentai!"
Where the fuck is the Internet version of Commodore Perry when we need him/her?
Japan's economy was failing back before Japan was forced to open it's doors to the outside world, and they quickly became much more advanced, although some things were lost along the way...
I know this is just me raging over one niche market being blocked from their side, but doesn't seem counterproductive to any of you that they're doing the same thing the Tokugawa shogunate did back in the day?
well uyou have to let that anger out somehow if just there was a away to ban feminist from THE FREE WORLD
the thread title is misleading..
Most of the time, they are. xD
seems like they've finally taken a notice on feminist move
RETALIATE MORE!
Hmm.. could it be that minori is actually located in the Philippines? I mean I did hear that there are underground outsourcing studios in the Philippines for Hentai and Yaoi...
Most foreign URLs are open to all persons from all countries for purchase. You could buy a .jp right now if you wanted.
As much as i'd like to be able to view their site (i'm a huge minori fan). Good on them! Take that you feminist and politically correct idiots! Oh, except we're the ones suffering the consequences :P
You just make us foreigners seem even more retarded than them by supporting it. It is an ignorant, xenophobic act directed AT US.
I love Japan too, but please, let's have some pride and common sense.
We ARE even more retarded, because it is US who let the feminist go wild.
That's called freedom of speech, and that's what we're really trying to protect.
Japanese otaku and EOCS must now grow some balls.
my common sense tells me that this is what we get to interfere with the japanese! this is their pride, you complain their food, you cant eat their food. see? common sense!
Rather interested in what will come next. Will other eroge makers do something similar?
Eh, it's not like anyone outside of Japan buys eroge anyway. Not a problem.
I do
Why do you keep trolling? And why does everybody seem to believe you when it was stated on Canned Dogs that the ban is on some Doujin DL Site? And NOT ON THE WHOLE EROGE?
I see you don't see the bigger picture. The DL site in question leaked a list they got from the EOCS. Zepy even states this.
This all happened because of a bunch of AMERICAN feminists...
Why dont you guys just man up and abolish feminism already...the world would be much happier without feminists. Or treat it like scientology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_feminism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-positive_feminism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism#Movements_and_ideologies
Can you, my sons, now please be enlightened and write less ignorant comments?
You're God. You should already know the answer to that question.
Haha, how do you think optimism was born?
It was modeled after my image!
Touché, YHWH.
Did you bother reading the sections on those wiki sites Anti-pornography? Doesn't sound like it. They talk about the fight against groups of feminists that are against porn. Don't use wiki posts which usually try and look at the bright side of things as the truth for everyone.
The group that was against all Japanese porn that they didn't like was a feminist group and they admit to it.
We should stop all extremist groups from doing things like this but with free speech we either have to actively turn on them or actively ignore their demands.
Can't we just actively rape them?
And feminism is a extremist movement?
I lol so hard at Sankaku's users knowledge.
there goes one of my fav past times, life=over
I have a plan to neutralize femists organization.
Someone should create an online feminist database, like the one there is on sex offenders. Names, faces, locations should be known to every butthurt anonymous.
First we get to know our enemy, then we know where to strike.
There should be two websites, actually. The one that unite femists and agitate for their idias. And the one driven with anonymous power that agitate against.
The first one encourages feminist to join in and work as the one. They should make our job themselves. So you would have one half less job to do.
The other one utilizes frustrated bitards rage.
We NEED to know every single feminist to produce counter measures.
Nice move
You may want to revise your spelling strategy first...
He is Russian, everything is ok
Spelling strategy huh...
http://www.pbfcomics.com/archive_b/PBF060-Penguin_Enemy.gif
If the sex offender database did not work in bringing down the numbers of cases of sexual outrage (and it really doesn't work), it isn't going to work on the feminist either.
I would back that. We need to stop them from pushing their version of morals on everyone.
for viewing pleasures , people , just used any proxy site. They're still stupid / dumb / ignorant / imbecile to avoid that since THERE'S A LOT OF PROXY generating sites out there!.
Thus what we'll got:
http://iichan.ru/b/src/1245828388186.jpg
The tail isn't censored.
to protect their valuable sex-maniac culture. Riiight~
Oh well , w/o legal rape , there's no Japan!
its legal virtual rape. anyway, you don't like their culture, then sure you won't have anything to complain here.
the major problem with this move is that
in the west, only western otaku will see it.
that is... only their fans will reach this message.
no one that they're mad at will ever see it, and no one to blame will ever know.
so it's a meaningless statement on its own; a silent, frustrating cry. no less than posting in a private blog, or posting a comment on sankaku complex.
don't you get it? they don't care about us western otaku! they're angry now since some fems disturb them. but they cant take it out on the fems now can they....
Good Job!
Well done minori,
Fuck off feminist!!
They're allowing proxies to get through which is good, they just want to stop the free ranging destructiveness of the feminists browsers. They should probably put up another disclaimer saying by entering this site you do not object to the materials presented within.
I wonder why equality now hasn't gone after the KKK.
dam you bishes
Someone called?
anon -.- if you are going to comment like that do it right ...
make an account named bishes :D
Eroge is part of Japanese culture?.....yeah, I can believe it....
Just make your own eroge games/company its not really that hard. you can even use flash "flash" the easiest animation and programming shit out there, thats how about 30% eroge games are made anyway in flash or shockwave programs. all these guys started off as people who liked anime and sex - decide they wanted to put thier stuff out and did it. I mean this shit is like dope to most of yall. You could feed off that $$$$
and they will never know it comes from westerners if you get a .jp
Genius........................................................................
Lawl.
LOL, but what about seiyū? We'll have to use Vocaloids?
Umm.. although i do find some non-JP home-made eroge good, i have to say no; my thoughts that they would ended up something with a quality equivalent to those cheap Naruto OCs you can find in Deviantart..
Well, I'm not really that big of fan of minori so I guess it doesn't really matter to me. Like, Wind was okay, but it felt so...standard. Well, I just hope this won't convince other companies that I 'do' like to do the same thing.
While it won't do anything, this still sends a message to all the foreigner to get the fuck out of meddling with eroge. I fully support their decision to do this.
I dunno, restricting content from foreigners is not anything new. You can see that almost everywhere these days, like even in youtube. I've always thought that it's the wrong course of actions in general.
This here is probably one of the only visible actions they can do to protest against those censorship regulations plied by feminazis that I'd blame for this, too. I can accept their apologies towards foreign fans, it just shows how desperate they must be feeling right now.
You do have to admit if it wasn't for one idiot having to put Rapelay on Amazon, all of this hoo-ha won't have to happean.
everyone is going hysterical and I'm just sitting and lol
what's next? a ban on everything kawaii because it stereotypes women? or is this just another attempt at making japan less appealing to the rest of the world?
DIdn't anyone see the apology at the end saying
"Sorry for you of the fan that lives in a foreign country."
They are not happy about it, if they were they would have just left that out. Granted it is probably because they will lose sales but still...
I back their decision since they believe, rightfully, that their culture is OK with it and that it was the outside that invaded their culture (which is true)
Ahaha, yeah, on the LINDA website, they say sorry to foreign fans too, but then turn around and insults them. A xenophobe is a xenophobe.
Did I put ��� in my mail? o_o Oh well.
Weee fuck you japanese politicians..fuck you all..
Life sucks balls
lol Japan and its group accountability culture. "Some foreigners complained SO ALL FOREIGNERS BANNED". Japanese culture at its finest...
The feminists have made the Japanese more xenophobic. This is probably going to start of a major isolationism...
Well I couldn't help it and sent an email to Minori, I doubt they will respond but at least I was able to give my support in their decision.
Hopefully when things calm down they can open their site to the world again.
Dude, there's a reason why it says; "Over 18"...or should. If the feminist got something against it Minori should make a joke of it and write;
"Over 18 and not feminist" Just protesting in a wussy way is no better than those feminists.
feminist group win again
I wanna ban those feminist. Badly.
I mean what IS your business, interfering with other countries business and stuff. CLEAN YOUR OWN COUNTRY FIRST, DAMMIT!
okay, now i feel dirty.
*give smug looks*
Sure the reaction is a bit childish, but at least the comment left by Minori is a lot more polite than the attention-grabbing headline of this article makes it ought to be.
That's what I thought.
I think people are kinda forgetting that Minori actually recognized their foreign fanbase at the end of the statement.
But eh, gotta love tabloid article titles.
It sounded more like "Sorry Japanese staying overseas"...
I think you do not understand the purpose of ths site..
no more Ef. I'm really happy
fag
Ef as in ef a tale of memories and melodies.
That would be horrible.
fag^2
Take off every zig. For great justice.
It shows they still can't attack other foreign countries. So they go after these.
See what you've done, you dirty gaijins
Join the forces, comrades!
She may be beautiful...
She may be sexy...
She may be moe...
But remember, she could be...
http://neoshinka.wordpress.com/2009/06/23/the-feminist-world-conspiracy/
this damn gaijins , I hate them all
Already sent an email to the site. People should voice their opinions and show some support. Hopefully they will reverse their decision.
(The blocking of foreign IP is a minor nuisance but I am more afraid that they might make their future releases ONLY installable on Japanese Windows. That's gonna be a mess.)
- Simon Cowell of Eroge
forgot this:
support@minori.ph
I would use info@minori.ph
Be sure to include:
外人のオタクから：
And then a happy face.
Alternatively, you may write "エロゲ万歳!!"~
Also, I think it would sound better as "gaikokujin no wotaku", instead "gaijin no otaku", although I know you chose to write like that for the sarcastic effect (with the smiley).
feminists are women, so they don't know how to use proxys. This IS the perfect countermeasure...
haha!
QFT
We have to spare a though for those ferminist.
Since they can't mustabate at home no matter what they do, they ban something that allows others to do.
In short. Fk ferminist. Minori You did well.
We have to spare a though for those ferminist.
Since they can't mustabate at home no matter what they do, they ban something that allows others to do.
In short. Fcuk ferminist. Minori You did well.
The Ef picture of yuri-mode sisters is relevant to my interests.
a way to retaliate against feminists? why not just do an eroge about feminists fucking each other. id buy it.
(＃｀Д´)凸凸
lol guys. They actually made a good decision. They're also proud of their foreign fans. And every fan who wants to enter the page will find a way. Called Proxy. :D
How do you know that Eden will be a hit? It hasn't even gotten a release date yet.
無意味な行為だが、気持ちはわかる。
5000本売れればヒットになる小さなマーケットなのに、魔女狩りよろしく狙い撃ち。国内でなく与り知らぬ海外から、レイプ犯罪云々といった理不尽な理由でだ。これはやりきれない。
こんな仕打ちを受けては、海外に対して良い印象を抱けるわけがない。誰もリスクを負いたくない、主だった市場へと内向きに閉じこもっても仕方ないんじゃないのか。
エロゲ業界の対応について非難するのも酷だ。
世界で何百万本と売り上げる大手ゲームメーカーでさえ、ゲーム内の人種差別的描写が問題になったりしたときは対応に苦慮する。
エロゲなんていう極東のニッチな業界に「不当な弾圧に声を上げろ！」なんて声を期待するほうが間違っている。彼らは被害者だ。
外圧の影響は無視できない。均質性の高い日本社会では、良くも悪くも異質なものを「特別視」し、過小または過大評価する傾向がある。だから海外のフェミ団体の圧力をまともに受け、海外からのアクセスを遮断したりする。
個人的には、こういった傾向を xenophobic と解釈するのは無理がある気がする。なぜなら「特別視」という行為は、否定的側面だけでなく xenophilic な肯定的側面も伴うからだ。
日本では、海外サイト（Sankaku 含む）を翻訳するサイトなどが昨今盛況だ。外国人を見て心和ませる日本人も多い。
最後に Engrish についてだが、バカにしているのだろうか？
メーカーの人の心情を思うと、正直腹が立つ。
English Linguistic Imperialism じゃあないが、上から目線が過ぎる。このサイトだって、チラチラ見てる分でも致命的な誤訳がいくつもある。あまり人を笑えたもんじゃあない。
長々と書いた、すまん。英語で書こうと思ったが、面倒なのと Engrish と笑われそうなのでやめたよ。近頃3次ポルノが多いが、こういうの海外で受けるのか。豊満で露骨にエロすぎる気がする。もっと清楚で清潔な夏の空とセーラー服みたいなのはダメなのか？
Wot kak? Nu ja ni panimaju twaju mowa kitajcu
LOL, Russian "romaji"? :D
Так в� don' t �мее� как напи�а�� англий�к�� �з�к. �ло�ой �поне�.
The funny japanese letters get displayed, but the funny russian letters do not? :(
Maybe there is more luck with greek,..
"Έτσι δεν ξέρετε πώς να γράψετε τα αγγλικά. Τα φτωχά ιαπωνικά."
@ Not a Russian said in Greek:
"So you do not know how to write English. The poor Japanese."
One thing to you.. GTFO~
I give you a 4 for your attempt to be funny. Better try harder next time. (An answer in binary code would have been a start.)
0100001100101101010000110010110
1010000110010110101000011010011
1101001101010000100100111100100
0000100001001010010010001010100
0001010010110100010101010010001
00001
"0100001100101101010000110010110
1010000110010110101000011010011
1101001101010000100100111100100
0000100001001010010010001010100
0001010010110100010101010010001
00001"
Its inevitable... Mr. Anderson...
Can someone translate the jap message to english?
To Anonymous Japanese: please, write in english, even if it's engrish, i prefer to understand what you're trying to say instead of spending 3 hours on jisho.org and still not being sure of what you wrote.
ps: english is not my first language either :P
Learn Japanese you whining wretch.
ひとつだけハッキリしたいんですが、大体、Ｓａｎｋａｋｕの皆さん、（つまり、記者も読者も）日本を応援します。エロゲの作品も会社も応援します。
僕はロリにまったく興味はないんですが、興味を持つＳａｎｋａｋｕの読者は大勢いるようです。そのような人たちがＭｉｎｏｒｉのサイトを見るお客さんです。
日本が大袈裟にフェミ団に従ったのは外国人のせいではない。勝手な真似だった。
最初の決定（「日本ではこんな作品は違反ではないから、黙れ」）を守ればよかったのに。
Engrishのことなら、区別しなきゃならない：Ｅｎｇｒｉｓｈを使う人はしょうがないが、会社が使ったら、思う存分に笑っていい。Ｔｏｙｏｔａまで（"more than best"）、バカなＥｎｇｒｉｓｈを使うなんて、許すわけないでしょう。会社なら、責任を取るがいい。Ｅｎｇｒｉｓｈは中途半端なやり方の証に過ぎない。だから外国人がそれをバカにするのです。日本人が海外に行って、変な日本語の看板を見て笑うに決まっているでしょう？（たとえば、この間、パリのNotre-Dameに「よこうそう」って書いてあった。バカじゃねえの？って思ったんだ。政府か会社か、本格的な仕事なら、せめてちゃんとした翻訳者に任せるのが常識じゃないですか）。
日本人がＥｎｇｒｉｓｈを使ったら、日本語を極めてない僕たちは当然に許してあげるよ。会社なら、許さない。
ロリに興味が無いなら口出すなクズ。
お前のジャパンバッシングは余計だ。
冷徹な白人共には会社を潰すまい、と必死になってる人達の心情がわからないだろう。
わかったから英語で書けチンカス
黙れ朝鮮人
見えない敵と戦う聖戦士さんかっけー
# I'm translating....sorry for my poor english....
It's a nonsense act, but I can see what eroge-makers feel.
Although there are only small markets(5000 copies is enough to call hit), they
are target of anti-sentiment, just like witch hunting. And criticism is from not
even domestic. The Oversea Criticism is unreasonable, citing rape, crime, blah, blah.
They can't stand it.
Nobody will keep a friendly sentiments towards overseas to see such treatment.
Since nobody want to run the risk, we had no choice other than to shrink to main
market.
It is also too cruel to blame the act of eroge-makers.
Even a major game maker struggle to deal with criticism over a racist dipiction in games.
We can't expect Eastern smallest eroge-makers to counter, "raise our voices to the oppression"
They are victims.
We don't, and wouldn't, publish half-baked Japanese. It wouldn't be taken seriously, and for good reason. Only in a few countries do people labour under the misapprehension that it is professional behaviour to publish such broken utterances, and sadly Japan is one of the major offenders, having even taken to using such languages as purely aesthetic devices.
Of course, when intended for domestic consumption there is hardly any issue with this (and western countries can frequently be seen abusing Chinese script in the same way), but when publishing directly to an international audience it is not the same...
If you want to accuse us of flagrant mistranslations, you should cite them rather than merely spread doubtful calumnies. The articles here are each read by tens of thousands of people, many of whom have Japanese proficiency or are in fact Japanese, and are frequently linked to by other authoritative sites; I would expect any such alleged errors to be swiftly uncovered - or indeed, torn to pieces.
There is no international pressure and even if there was an international pressure you should not give a damn about it. It's your culture meaning it's up to you people to decide, not the world.
Just look at my country; we got a party called danish people party wanting to throw out every muslim cuz they are bad if you ask them. The world has gotten them in the news but we still got them and they still get more votes. It's our problem not any other countries. Have you seen us ban every internationel journalist because of that?
Or look at USA; They had Bush. The world say "Oh No" but no one in the usa gave a damn and they still voted on him a second time.
If you start going "The world is bad, we should punish them for talking bad about eroge" just because there was a news in USA...start fixing yourself. Stop listening to other countries and stop making usa = world. That is totally offending to the rest of us.
I'm danish and I didn't know anything about this before it was up in Sankaku but I'm banned too? How can this be justice of fair?
I'm sorry for having offended anyone by writing this but I get sad to see people punishing everyone because of a few and then saying it's everyone's fault and not their own for taking unreasonable actions.
I would have bothered to read that, but tl;dr
lol i'm quite surprise google translate work well on that jap anon
But i still don't understand what he is trying to say
Freetranslation (dot) com
does wonders as well. But if he's going to spell English... get it right it's English, not Engrish
He's actually talking about "Engrish", not "English", so he's not mistaken.
my mistake.
Very roughly : he's saying that he understand we're upset to be treated like that, but that Japaneses can't just ignore the international pressure and can't stand being looked at like strange perverts, and they have to protect themselves. hence the ban of foreign IP, because not every foreigner like the Sankaku readers may be able to accept the cultural gap (= point of view toward that kind of industry).
He also says he's kind of pissed off about the way we foreigners tend to look down at Japaneses because of the use of Engrish, as if anyone was supposed to be proficient in English.
To which I replied that we don't blame Japanese individuals, but always bash at government and companies errors, which are unforgiveable (because they're supposed to hire competent people and not do that half-assed work they do).
Roughly.
I read his post but your summary is partly wrong.
>can’t stand being looked at like strange perverts
He didn't say like that. Rather he say Japanese can't "evaluate" the pressure (i.e. how large the organization is, how common such claims are).
lets see what happens next shall we? what everyone says got their point.
they banned foreigners to view the web but they didnt say u cant buy from thrid parties. so there is stil ways to get it, maybe just visit akiba n buy direct. thats simple.
Also note that this is only minori who banned foreign IPs to access their website.
So most eroge is banned in japan now, and everyone outside of japan can't view it.
Am I missing something, or did they just drive their business into the ground? :P
Hardly surprising,
Amaterasu (天照), the sun goddess was Japan's first and divine hikikomori.
Japan is physically an island.
Japan and China shut their doors to the world when news of the western barbarian's misdeeds in other parts of Asia (the Portuguese in Goa and Malacca for example) reached the ears of the Imperial/Shogun courts.
Japan remained (and still remains?) a highly clannish society well into modern times.
"Amaterasu (天照), the sun goddess was Japan’s first and divine hikikomori." LOLed! So true, shutting herself in a cave(her room ?) and causing darkness in Nihon at same time.
very dirty eroge page =)
To be fair to Minori, I guess that's about all that can really be done as symbolic gestures.
For the "cravenly acceded" charge, I'll argue that the extent of that latest list of EOCS restrictions suggest that they are merely making one last attempt to save something of themselves. It hurts them so much that the only reason they'll volunteer something like that is that they think it is between that and complete banning at the hands of the government, at least for now.
You should think of EOCS as a hypothetical Jewish leader in Nazi Germany 1942 that promised to "volunteer" Jews as slave labor to the "Aryan race" in exchange for said Aryan race not sending them to the gas chambers. OK, I busted Godwin's but you get my point.
While all foreigners can hardly be guilty of this, it is not hard to see that foreign pressure, imposed by governments certain Westerners voted into power, is the primary cause of this censorship. The Japanese government is being harsh to appease the West. The EOCS is being suicidally harsh to appease the Japanese government. Clearly, Gaijin, especially those in certain powerful countries like the US and Britain, can hardly claim they didn't have some part to play in this latest attack on freedom.
Besides, with Minori's measure, at least some stupid feminist group can't complain about porn being easily accessible on the Internet even by accident as easily - sure you can break it easily with a proxy but then you meant to look for it, and can't be so loud about it being "obscene" or "offending to you? That's probably part of it.
I really love the stereotypes...
Gaijin = one single entity, culture and people. Hence how he used "overseas".
And we love 3D porn with mature women with big breasts being dirty because, you know, we gaijin (one single people and country) are bigger, louder, and like hot women, just as "our" (Gaijinland) women love musculous hot guys, instead the cute, slender "bishounen" Japanese girls like.
Look what you did, you Feminist Jerks..
Feminist Bitches, my friend. Dickless cunts cannot be jerks.
I honstly cant blame them, if some bastard foreigners came into my country and told everyone what i enjoy was wrong, id be pretty pissed off to...
AMERICA >_>
so cuz of the few bastages you would punish everyone? Yep totally makes sense. Now should we start all japanese cuz of those non-japanese IP boards?
We all know that the high quality pics don't come from japanesse boards but from western boards ;)
I'm holding feminazi's and feminazi groups
responsible for Minori's actions.
This is not a good sign at all. Eventually
all eroge sites will be blocked.
#translated the post from "Anonymous Japanese".
It's a nonsense act, but I can see what eroge-makers feel.
Although there are only small markets(5000 copies is enough to call hit), they are target of anti-sentiment, just like witch hunting. And criticism is from not even domestic. The Oversea Criticism is unreasonable, citing rape, crime, blah, blah.They can't stand it.
Nobody will keep a friendly sentiments towards overseas to see such treatment. Since nobody want to run the risk, we had no choice other than to shrink to main market.
It is also too cruel to blame the act of eroge-makers.
Even a major game maker struggle to deal with criticism over a racist dipiction in games.
We can't expect Eastern smallest eroge-makers to counter, "raise our voices to the oppression". They are victims.
It's impossible to ignore the impact of oversea pressure. In homogeneous Japanese society, people tend to give alien "special treatment" which is sometimes favorable and sometimes not.
So people take the foreign feminist pressure seriously, and react like banning foreign access.
Personally I don't think there are enough reason to call these tendencies "xenophobic". "special treatment" contains not only negative aspects, but also positive "xenophilic" aspects.
In Japan, translater blogs using oversea site(including Sankaku) are gaining popularities, and many Japanese melt to see foreigners.
Finally we have to talk about Engrish. are Westerners insulting us?
We are offended, simply by imagine how game makers feel about it. Westerners look down too much on us by English Linguistic Imperialism. Even sankaku has a lot of fatal mistranslation. They are not qualified to ridicule us.
Sorry for lengthy sentence. I thought I should write in English but I'm too lazy to do so and I was afraid of a sneer.
Recently there are too many 3d porn. It seems foreigners love this kind of photos. I feel it's too voluptuous and blatantly erotic. Neat and clean, such as clear summer sky and sailor suit is no good in here?
Um...but we can use proxy to get around it right?
fucking feminists.... raging lunatics i tell you!
Fucking foreigners.... raging lunatics I tell you!
お前もな
More power to them. Keep the weaboo away!
To be honest I was really just watching all the ban nonsense and unicef fagottry from Sankaku, and somewhere in my mind I was still somewhat skeptical
but I guess now I know it's true. Man, now countries even get into the business of each others masturbatory habits. That just sucks. Let Japan masturbate in peace, so I can do it by extension over the internet!
You should start a religion man.
I would surely follow thee
no sh**... why minori, why? arghhhh!!! :(
actualy what did the video say here?
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7429250
....
Thoose old bastards who ban teh eroges, are, in a sense, more dirty than eroge characters
So they feel offend by the fact Sankaku was mistranslating the news but it seems to work in there favor it doesn't stop them from what they do on thi website your only feeding there need to report as they see it.
We never mistranslated anything. I want to see evidence of this.
"Dirty foreigners"などと、中傷的な言い方は誰も書いていない。少しは反省しろ。
It's called a paraphrase.
I think he ment defamatory expression...
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%91%E3%83%A9%E3%83%95%E3%83%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BA [http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/パラフレーズ]
You're welcome.
Artefact I didn't mean to say it in that way and I am not accusing any of the staff members for mistranslation of Japanese news content. I am very sorry if I did say that out of context. All I am saying is that it doesn't stop you from reporting it, just like it won't stop ero-game makers from creating games so they feel so offended by foreigners and Websites that report there content why is it making them money?
I think they should be banning access to Japan instead of foreigners. Most "barbarian" first-world countries (especially the US) have this thing called "Freedom of Speech", a concept that seems to be unheard of in Nippon. Nobody in America forces porn-makers to blur or pixelate their work.
If the Japanese ero industry prides itself of its "culture", it shouldn't give a fuck about what other countries think of them; they should get rid of outdated moralist ideas influenced on them by Westerners, and stick it to Japanese authorities if they don't like it. If all of that gets sanctioned, they should produce all uncensored pornography there underground or via internet websites not monitored by their government. Let's see if Japan likes to lose a huge chunk of its revenue for being a meticulous bitch regarding genitalia.
I'm fucking tired of all this political incongruence.
"Nobody in America forces porn-makers to blur or pixelate their work."
No, the people in America try to force Japan to ban all of the work entirety.
There are laws in the US designed to (unconstitutionally in my opinion) get around the First Amendment by banning 'obscene' material. Of course, what's "obscene" for one person isn't always for another, so you get publishers censoring a lot of stuff to cover their asses. And you have readers/watchers having to guess what the local 'community standards' might be when they decide to read or watch something. Because, for some reason, the 'community' has a right to control what an adult reads or watches in the privacy of their own homes. That's one reason US adult movies are so tame and bland in comparison to Japanese adult movies.
Besides the direct laws that get things censored in the US (either by direct laws or by overcautious companies afraid of the vague laws), you also have people pressuring companies who might produce various kinds of adult material into not publishing it by terrorizing them with public harassment and going after related companies in efforts to get things banned.
They also try to discourage people reading/watching adult material by demonizing it and the people who read it.
For a long time the US also made adult material harder to buy by restricting where it could be sold usually under the lie "We must protect the children!" Having to go to some sleazy store or a bad part of town to get adult material helps minimize sales.
The internet has changed all that and that's why the prudish immoral minority is running around trying to terrorize anyone who dares produce or consume anything their tiny little minds can't tolerate others reading/watching.
While I hate the genital blurring/censoring imposed in Japan (and also feel it is against the Japanese constitution, as well), don't think that the US is some safe haven for uncensored material. Censorship is alive and well in the US, they're just more sneaky about how they do it.
They don't want to look like hypocrites by doing something like China/Australia does with large internet filters, so they try to get the material banned at the source.
For instance: In the US it's legal to take/have nude photos of children as long as there is no sexual activity or poses (which, of course, is also a very vague notion that is open to wide interpretation). But the US has pressured Japan and other countries to ban simple artistic nudity that they haven't (yet) been able to ban constitutionally in the US. In the US, they apply pressure on stores that might sell such legal material to try and limit where it can be sold.
So no direct legal ban of simple nudity, but that doesn't stop them from getting it 'banned' by applying pressure on the companies that produce art books and the stores that would want to sell them. And at the same time, applying pressure to other countries to ban stuff that the US constitution would (and SHOULD) protect in the US.
and i'm sure the reason they're doing this is because (as the feminists claim) japan is the country with the most rapes per year. of course, if you exclude canada, australia, the u.s., sweden, the u.k., france, south korea, germany, russia, and taiwan.
I lived in japan for 2 years and I can say hand on heart that japan is a xenophobic, borderline racist country that doesn't want foreigners there.
You can't even pay for a fucking blowjob in japan without being told that you're a dirty disease carrying gaijin and are not allowed to enter.
It's time you japophiles wake up to the racist country that japan is and develop better hobbies than masturbating to lolicon porn
borderline racist? i guess you didn't live there long enough. its way past the borderline.
You have never lived there. Both of you.
Unless you think anything minimally bad against foreigners by the Japanese elite is what represents the Japanese people as a whole...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUMoHv4Ac-8
This is the best video so far about the topic.
Japanese attitudes to white westerners are quite different to the general attitudes to Chinese, Koreans, Filipinos, Russians, S.E. Asians, Brazilians, etc. In these cases it is fair to say the attitude is generally one of unqualified racism and suspicion.
Yes.
But besides the Chinese, Russians and Koreans, we can say the media and government play a big part in the creation of discrimination. There was virtually no discrimination against Brazilians in the 80's. Exaggerating foreign crime is the worse thing that can be done to help the gaikokujin image...
Chinese and Koreans are a more complicated issue, as I'm sure you know. Besides thousands of years of common history, conflicts, etc, Zainichi Koreans generally choose not to integrate within Japanese society, as do most Chinese. Few consider themselves Japanese for having being born there. The parents are to blame, in this case (too). Of course, this is not an excuse for discrimination. But for the common ignorant masses, it will be enough (plus the thousand of years of stereotypes, diplomatic conflicts, relations, etc).
Discrimination against those of S.E. Asian origin is another case of cultural Imperialism, and then again, the media, common stereotypes about these countries, and these countries situations play a big role in the creation of this form of discrimination. But this type is common all around the world.
I don't think the Japanese are racist. Any time you're in a foreign country, you will get some people who are curious, some who are friendly, some who avoid you, and some who stare and kids who point (if you look conspicuously foreign), and some who make comments based on stereotypes they heard. These are little things, and nothing to worry about.
I wonder if the people who say they find Japan racist are white people who have only ever previously lived in a white-majority country where they speak the native language?
lol true but the best thing about it is that they see themself as a country being totally open to the foreigners, get pissed off this quick and start justifying how this move is total justice while they in their heads and hearts knows it's wrong.
DID GUNDAM SEED TEACH YOU NOTHING???!!! Atleast understand the messages in your manga and anime, dammit.
/me facepalms
日本が差別主義者の国だっていって
日本が嫌なんだったら、なんで日本のアニメ見てんだよ？頭おかしいんじゃねーの？
お前らの国は、さぞかし素晴らしいんだろうな
Sorry, I don't speak japanese well enough to read kanjis. Give me two years if no one translates this.^^
I'm going to learn japanese this august though but I know english, german, french, danish, swedish, norwaigen, hindi, punjabi, urdu, a little bit of arabic and turkey so if you know any of those langauges be welcome to write in that. (I'm danish by the way, we learn more than one language to know how to communicate with the world. I bet you learn more than one language in japan too but you don't want to use it^^ Thats also an example of being a closed country)
Ehem... after getting a cute nice japanese girl (no not a japanese traitor mind you)translate for me, I got this:
"You're calling Japan an advocate of discrimination, and
Why are you watching Japanese anime if you don't like Japan?Is your head strange? is it?
Your country must be really amazing"
First my head is fine, why thank you. I will not go down to your level and start calling you names.^^
Funny thing is that you get all defensive when someone start saying how your country is. Have you ever thought about how we feel when you do the same? Have you ever thought how offensive we think you(and Minori and your hostility when we visit japan) are when you blame us forsomething thats totally random?
This case is just one of many, if you want me to start on it trust me I can keep going the whole night while you will end up going; Then don't watch it (oh wait you did that already).
I watch anime because I find them interesting. They do what you don't do; stop giving others the blame and take it themself when they are wrong. Learn from it!
I find them giving me ideas and learn a bit more about japanese culture. I like the songs sung by the artists cuz they are good even some of the lyrics. I like the plots, the humour and the char development in some of them. I like it how someone got the fantasy to makethem and the mangakas/producers messages to the world.
My country isn't the best in the world and we pay like 48.7% tax as being the ones who pay most in the world. BUT we get free education, free medical help and social help. Oh, and we do not get stupidity that makes us ban the whole worlds IP except our own.^^ and then try to justify if that some women from USA made fun of us and we are now hurt and that is why we are taking revenge on the whole world.
I hope you do know that this is a perfect step to go back to the old japan, the new north korea, iran or any other closed countries. PLUS at the moment it's a little deal but the more you do stuff like this the more you will get famous in the whole world for the censoring you are starting to do from now on.
By the way, since you ppl don't like USA and the rest of the world; stop buying our CDs, movies, branded clothes, computers with our chips, etcetc. Lets be fair
/me facepalms again
Oh and next time you tell me I'm an weird/strange/idiot/stupid I'll go totally at you, not being this nice. Kind of like how you people are in 2ch.^^
PS: Stop using babelfish to translate it sux, start talking english, like the rest of the world. Heck engrish is okay too.
Japanese people are not xenophobic. There is even little prejudice (at least against Westerners). Maybe the Japanese government (LDP - Liberal Democratic Party/自由民主党) and the conservative media is, but not the people. Most of the prejudice Westerners face in Japan is near American bases, and no one can say it is undeserved.
Don't insult the Japanese people if you have never lived there...
That all said, I'm not trying to make it sound like Japan is the perfect place, with everyone acting perfectly to immigrants and foreigners. But let's give what its rightfully theirs: The PEOPLE, the ones you see, talk everyday are hardly xenophobic. They are one of the friendliest in Asia.
(すみません, 日本人. 私の日本語は下手です. Or I else I would have written the whole post in Japanese too).
LOL yeah asia but japan isn't the whole asia (thank god).
You are saying that we should not insult the japanese people if we don't live there? What's with that? Doesn't that go for us too or are the japanese the only special ones?
When you get the sentence "It's sad for you but it's also sad for Minori, so you just deal with it and stop ruining the otaku community"...don't you find that insulting? I mean it was Minori who took the action, it was some japanese otakus who wrote that shit...what is there not to get?
You can keep telling me that they aren't xenophobic but when you get one dude saying they aren't and 3-4 other only talking in japanese and insulting...I prefer to listen to the majority and decide how they are. Though it may be different how japan sees the world: A few feminists screaming a little bit, the wholwe world is against us, lets ban their IP and then get our people to tell them that they deserve it.
I don't care about the americans but when someone insult me and tell me I deserve it cuz of some americans then I'm part of the world, then I sure as hell call it xenophobic or being totally simpleminded, you decide.
You can keep coming back and tell us how they aren't xenophobic but notice this: Not one japanese has said the truth: Minori did wrong. They should not punish you for that. It's unfair towards you and we support you so hang in there.
WHY? cuz they fucking don't believe in it! for them it's right to do actions like that. If we do the same then the japanese would be screaming words like "racist" at us.
(To can lege den leg, yes I know other languages too..but you are still the only japanese writing in english while the rest wrote in japanese)
After all, a couple of underground Japanese otaku -- probably angry 2ch hikikomori fags -- represents perfectly most of the Japanese people. A perfectly logical supposition.
Minori did wrong, but that's beside the point. Two wrongs don't make a right. One wrong doesn't justify commiting another. Etc.
Okay, okay, I know you are sooooooooo smart. Though you look arrogant as scaning above your messages. You're danish? ..um..pity...but stil it is my favorite country to live^^
It got nothing to do about being smart or arrgogant. It's about being stepped on by a company and then getting the japanese people to tell you that they did the right thing by stepping on you.
I'd get xenophobic and racist too if there were people who want to teach me how to live, tell me what to do and force me their ideas and beliefs like US and other nations try to do to Japan. of course, that's the minority which holds the power that threatens the japanes. "but hey - the commoners who come to Japan are not involved" you'd say. here's the problem - the commoners let their politicians to bash and blame the japanese for their culture, habits, way of being and try to teach them "how is the right way to be".
it's a rage message - but you get my idea, I hope.
P.S. minority was always the terrorizing part and the majority the suffering from this terror.
Japan is xenophobic and racist even BEFORE the whole feminazi shit happend.
Stop reading Debito and thinking all you see there is xenophobia.
errrr...wtf???
You are saying it like there's no foreigners in any other countries, lol.
Come to Denmark and I'll show you how many there are. Sticking to your ways of life isn't stupid even if it looks stupid in the ignorants eyes. You keep it from you just as you do with the flies trying to stick to you.
If they can't get pass that they got some serius issues, just like the racists you meet outside who keeps blaming the foreigners for taking their jobs and their girls. Today foreigners, tomorrw the msuic, movies, clothes....oh someone said nazigermany or taliban?
PS: and I agree with you, it's always the majority that suffers but only because we allow them to affect us to make the majority suffer.
This website cannot be browsed excluding Japan.
Some pigs seem to be having an antipathy against EROGE.
Therefore, We prohibited the access for Pigs, Beaners, Flips, Chinks, Katsaps, Sand niggers, Great Shitains, kangaroo humpers, etc. To defend our culture.
Sorry for you of the pervert that lives in a moralfag country.
minori Inc.
ehem and now to make my input.
"Where was that website now people told me about to used on a certain irani president? Something about the website going down cuz of too many hits"
ehem well all I can say is; I hope it's just something temp. and will be gone soon.
Otherwise...well even if they are few western otakus are otakus and if japanese otakus can get angry about Nagi from Kannagi not being a virgin and Hinata dying in Naruto, well then western otakus can get angry too when something like this happens.^^
So my japanese otaku friends and eroge companies; Lets not make this a trend, okay? ^^
(Now lets see how many of my comments gets lost in translation :P)
HAW HAW~!
WELL DONE! xD
日本人も海外のポルノサイトから遮断されたりしてるんだけどな、こっちの方がひどくないか？
日本人はそのサイトに何の文句も言ってないのに
There is a whole industry of sites run by overseas Japanese selling uncensored porn to Japanese.
Japanese are weird fuckers.
They constantly steal english words (katakana) but at the same time they're xenophobic and have a piss poor attitude towards foreigners.
japan has a 99% japanese population, one of the most racist in the world.
Seriously japan, if you're gonna be racist too us then kindly fuck off stealing our words, or better yet learn to pronounce them properly. You know, the fucking L word, learn it.
Hiroshima, get over it already.
英語だってドイツから盜み取ったんじゃないか？外国だってお前みたいな種族主義者がよくあるんじゃないか？なぜ日本だけを差別してるだ？お前の方こぞracistなんだ。
funny how it's only the anon's that talk like this...
Is it me or are you guys really into the "who's most racist" contest ?
As pissed off as some people here may be, I hope you understand the topic is not about Japan being this or that, but rather Eroge companies acting crazy.
Eroge companies = Japan ???
Well it started with that but then some japanese dude went: "You are stupid, you are ruining the japanese otaku commiunity, damn you western otakus."
Whereafter we went" errr..you people should support us cuz we are both otakus"
then it went "No they did the right thing you are wrong"
and then we went "no U, yes U" pointing out that it's stupid to not be able see it since we have done nothing wrong and punishing the whole world for what someone women on the other side of the world did.(Yes we are not all from USA)
The japanese can't see that Minori just went and said "This is part of our culture, you are not allowed to know it!" which is totally discriminating since there are others way to get your message forth. I'm just sad and disappointed that the japanese people(yes not the firm but every japanese thats been talking in this thread) can't see other options than banning every non-japanese IP in his case.
I believe they're trying protect being lable as perverts makes the world question it.
なぜゲームメーカーさんの気持ちが分からないだ？このイシアタマめ！できれば、彼らだってそんなことをしたくなかったんだ。もっとも彼らは法的な責任を背負ってる。外国からの反対運動がどんどんエスカレートしたら、きっと彼らは被害者になるんだろう。だから、その行動はだた自我保障のためだ。別に外国人を差別するつもりじゃない。よく考えてみろ。
Tip to non-Japanese speaking Japanese for no particular reason: No Japanese speak this crudely in comments.
I hate how only ignorant Debito readers who have never really LIVED in Japan got to voice their opinion to the Japanese...
Also, don't be that fucking ignorant. Languages adapt foreign words into their languages all the time. How "West-Germanic" English really is? Look at all the Romance, Latin, Greek, French, German, Spanish, Dutch and Celtic words adapted. Ultimately, that's how languages have arisen. And it was the most common thing in the world, during human expansion towards the whole planet.
The words are Japanese now. It's not different than "Blecaute" in Portuguese, a word derived from the English word "Blackout". Just because they use another alphabet, and one specifically for words of foreign origin, it does not mean these words are not Japanese.
hahaha what's this? Are they any Chinese executives running their company by any chance too? :3
Really. Feminists really has nothing better to do that's why they try to deal with the little insignificant things like this? Can feminists stop the the economic downfall? No. Can feminists cure AH1N1? No. Can feminists stop North Korea's nuclear powered stupidity... Let me guess... NO! With all the crazy things that's happening to the world right now, they believe starting with the small things that don't really matter thinking that they made a non existent difference making them feel better about themselves. They're just a bunch of egotistic narcissists that are only filled with foolish ideals. Women's rights? Sure go ahead for all I care. Rights of two dimensional non existent beings brought out by imagination? You make me laugh.
You don't need to be a feminist to know that lolicon porn and rape themes is just plain wrong.
I'm a man who finds it fucking disguisting. Japanese porn in general sickens me.
Its time all rape related theme and lolicon content was banned entirely.
Sorry Japan, you're fucking sick and its time for the west to drop a A-bomb on your filthy porno industry.
Culture my ass, is that japans claim to fame culturally? Abusing children and child porn? Sickos
Ahahahhahaah!!!
Man you crack me up! Based on what you said, I suppose any other porn would do huh? Listen creep. Just admit it. You're a pervert. Why won't you get a bottle of Shut The F**k Up and and shove it up your @ss. Just hate porn in general period retard. Biases and preference of porn doesn't make you a better man idiot. Sure child porn is wrong. But you're forgetting one little detail... These are 2D drawings for Christ's sake. Here's a tip for that thick empty skull of yours. Leave the gaming and anime industry and focus banning real life porn, especially in Amsterdam and other parts in Europe where some crazy $hit is legal.
ha!
I guess you haven't seen those junior idol industry that's flourishing in japan. Typical examples include 11 year old girls posing as a "model" and wear T-backs (thongs) while photographers zoom in to the most intimate parts using videocams.
The so-called "junior idol" industry is nothing more than glorified and sanitized CHILD PORN!
Huh? What's so wrong with lolicon porn and rape themes?
shut up the fuck you filthy korean
I can see the bittreness is this guys reply.
If I say I disagree, how will you substantiate your position. Assertions alone don't win arguments.
As a utilitarian, an atheist, and someone with no real interest in live porn (I glimpsed at some but they never turned me on...), any restriction on freedom, especially one that any percentage of the population enjoy, is automatically a negative. Thus, there has to be a substantial positive to substantiate any restriction, even if it is on child porn.
With child or rape porn, you can justify it based on the probability of psychological and psyiological damage to the "child stars" involved. Since children are important to us, it doesn't take a high probability, or a really severe affect, to put the ledgers into the positive, and a restriction in the "substantiated" part of the zone.
Now about 2D child or rape porn (loli and the like). Since it is all pixels and ink that substantiation is gone. The only thing left is the possibility that repeated viewings will somehow lower inhibitions against doing it in real life. But that's against the possibility that repeated viewings will RELIEVE the urge to do it in real life. Both have significant effect only on a small portion of population that's marginal to begin with, and which side wins is far from clear but if Japan's low rape statistic is any indication, it is the Relieve the Urge side. Of course, they do have a Chikan problem, but let's face it - Chikan is bad but given the choice b/w say 100 conventional chikan experiences and 1 conventional rape ... I don't think many women will say they prefer the Rape.
What's left as I can see is the negative of killing a pleasure from a fraction of the population and a restriction of freedom (a good thing in principle). Do you have anything to add to the "plus" side of the ledger? If not, why do you insist on being against freedom and happiness?
BTW, if a group of US feminists started this, why didn't they ban only US IPs instead of every non-JP IPs?
Is it because to Japan, US IS the rest of the world?
Nah i think japan only stuff wants to keep for japan only there.
The xenophobia just increased.
Then they should stop using the TLD ".ph" for Jesus H. Christ's sake if their level of xenophobia has increased. D:
I feel I would've done the same thing as them, if I didn't stop and think about it. I mean, my first impression about eroge being restricted was that some group of middle aged women in the U.S. complained about it, causing the bans. But yea it can't possibly be that simple....but I guess they're mostly expressing themselves by responding like this.
I'm really disappointed with that...It looks like a xenophobic attack *Sarcastic tone*
Reading all the comment here so basically some foreign otaku against against some japanese otaku now?
Hmm I need some enlightment here since I'm always skeptic about this ban thing. In the short period will it be effective? -yes- then how about long one? is it really possible to keep an eye on each one of them?
How do you do that? just reading the description? or by actively playing each one of them? if that's the case then I'm joining this whatever group checking them since I could played for free and as many as I could (^_^)
Its more like Foreign Otaku 1 vs Foreign Otaku 2 one likes Ero-games the other likes Massively multiplayer online role-playing games.
If you combine a Ero-game with a Massively multiplayer online role-playing game whats going to happen next?
just wondering are all this people that comment here (fuel the fire baby type of comment) really playing eroge vn Hgame?
Well, I for one am an eroge player. So my rage isn't just for show.
Same here....though it's been some time since I played a new game. Still playing Eushullys latest game :3
...and i'm not raging, I'm just being logical XP
Also an eroge player.
@fonzer you're???
What the fuck am I supposed to do now without my rape game outlet!?
Wonder what will happen if 4chan gets a hold of this lol
Nothing will happen. 4chan has no power in Japan. Well, they could do something about the feminists in the U S of A (doubtful), but it's too late for that to have any impact on the situation in Japan by now.
Like 4chan was a powerful netjustice "entity", anyway.
We, Sankaku users, having the right mindset and uniting ourselves, are much more powerful than any bored 4chan users would ever be.
I think we're better off letting the members of 2chan try and sort out this mess at their end. Although, considering that they aren't as affected by this ban against selling eroge to foreign consumers, I'm not too sure any of them'll be bothered enough to protest....
Them blaming foreigners makes about as much sense as us blaming EVERY single one of these recent bans on the feminists and this Equality Now group as representative of all feminists.
Lovely to see that's it's not only this site suffering from wrong finger pointing and baseless grouping of a diverse group of people.
I honestly don't blame this Minori group for being angry enough to call us "dirty foreigners".
But I believe both the mistrust of feminists and foreigners is equally uncalled for, though.
In other words you support Feminazi's?
You don't sound like your on our side.
I know, not being a mindless one among the masses and having a personal view and opinion on the matter is totally uncalled for!
Where is all the ignorant illogical hate against the feminists devil? I mean, you know everything is the fault of feminism and feminists. And we must kill them and anyone who doesn't think like that.
How is the blame on the FUCKING FEMINISTS uncalled for!?
because feminists know the name of japanese eroge manufactures or even their web adresses...?
id really like to know if there were even any non-japanese people browsing on that site. i think this hits mostly japanese people living outside japan.
but well... i dont care, if your games arent meant to be bought by us, you wont mind us pirating them... most do so anyway.
In truth I believe this all started with the h game rapelay was put in the newspaper (forgot about why) a while back, then feminists that have alot of time saw this banded together and went to the politician an so the politicians don't lose the support of the people they went again all these themes getting banned, but really why was nekkomimi getting banned?
fucking feminist gaijin, they dont have any right to fuck with other cultures
dammit, I wanna play that eden* new visual novel by minori. argghhh! hey, thanks for the proxy link. was able to browse minori website! n_____n
This is a good trial. All eroge companies should do that to protect games.