Eroge Maker Minori: “Dirty Foreigners Get Off Our Site!”
- Categories: Games, News
- Date: Jun 24, 2009 15:53 JST
- Tags: Censorship, Eroge, Gaikokujin, Internet, Minori, Politics, Sites
Visual novel production company Minori, noted for producing hits such as Ef, Wind and Eden, has responded to the reprehensible decision by Japanese politicians and eroge publishers to ban “rape” eroge by issuing an indiscriminate and nonsensical ban of its own: they have banned all non-Japanese IPs from viewing their site.
By the esoteric wonders of mod_geoip the crafty company has excluded the foreign eroge banning devils from their site completely, with a terse Engrish reminder that the world would be better off if the Japanese were not so spineless in response to foreign pressure:
minori official website.
This website cannot be browsed excluding Japan.Some foreigners seem to be having an antipathy against EROGE.
Therefore, We prohibited the access from foreign countries, to defend our culture.
Sorry for you of the fan that lives in a foreign country.minori Inc.
The completely redundant screenshot of same:
Their normal site looks something like this, admittedly not much of an improvement:
It is questionable whether there is any point or practical effectiveness to any of this, as anyone can easily access the Japanese version of the site by way of a free proxy service, be they disappointed barbarian fans or Japan bashing feminists looking for a soft target.
More pointedly, the company in question seems to have forgotten that it was the Japanese mass media who publicised the story, Japanese politicians who pressed for a ban, and their own industry group who cravenly acceded to these demands…
Blaming all non-Japanese for the actions of a minor American busybody feminist group seems more an exercise in xenophobia than a logical appraisal of just who is really at fault here.
It would appear that some in Japan do indeed need to “learn to say ‘no’” to both the world and their own wretched politicians and cowardly businessmen.
Thanks to ステク for the tip.
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just wondering are all this people that comment here (fuel the fire baby type of comment) really playing eroge vn Hgame?
Well, I for one am an eroge player. So my rage isn't just for show.
Also an eroge player.
@fonzer you're???
Same here....though it's been some time since I played a new game. Still playing Eushullys latest game :3
...and i'm not raging, I'm just being logical XP
Reading all the comment here so basically some foreign otaku against against some japanese otaku now?
Hmm I need some enlightment here since I'm always skeptic about this ban thing. In the short period will it be effective? -yes- then how about long one? is it really possible to keep an eye on each one of them?
How do you do that? just reading the description? or by actively playing each one of them? if that's the case then I'm joining this whatever group checking them since I could played for free and as many as I could (^_^)
Its more like Foreign Otaku 1 vs Foreign Otaku 2 one likes Ero-games the other likes Massively multiplayer online role-playing games.
If you combine a Ero-game with a Massively multiplayer online role-playing game whats going to happen next?
You don't need to be a feminist to know that lolicon porn and rape themes is just plain wrong.
I'm a man who finds it fucking disguisting. Japanese porn in general sickens me.
Its time all rape related theme and lolicon content was banned entirely.
Sorry Japan, you're fucking sick and its time for the west to drop a A-bomb on your filthy porno industry.
Culture my ass, is that japans claim to fame culturally? Abusing children and child porn? Sickos
Huh? What's so wrong with lolicon porn and rape themes?
Ahahahhahaah!!!
Man you crack me up! Based on what you said, I suppose any other porn would do huh? Listen creep. Just admit it. You're a pervert. Why won't you get a bottle of Shut The F**k Up and and shove it up your @ss. Just hate porn in general period retard. Biases and preference of porn doesn't make you a better man idiot. Sure child porn is wrong. But you're forgetting one little detail... These are 2D drawings for Christ's sake. Here's a tip for that thick empty skull of yours. Leave the gaming and anime industry and focus banning real life porn, especially in Amsterdam and other parts in Europe where some crazy $hit is legal.
ha!
I guess you haven't seen those junior idol industry that's flourishing in japan. Typical examples include 11 year old girls posing as a "model" and wear T-backs (thongs) while photographers zoom in to the most intimate parts using videocams.
The so-called "junior idol" industry is nothing more than glorified and sanitized CHILD PORN!
If I say I disagree, how will you substantiate your position. Assertions alone don't win arguments.
As a utilitarian, an atheist, and someone with no real interest in live porn (I glimpsed at some but they never turned me on...), any restriction on freedom, especially one that any percentage of the population enjoy, is automatically a negative. Thus, there has to be a substantial positive to substantiate any restriction, even if it is on child porn.
With child or rape porn, you can justify it based on the probability of psychological and psyiological damage to the "child stars" involved. Since children are important to us, it doesn't take a high probability, or a really severe affect, to put the ledgers into the positive, and a restriction in the "substantiated" part of the zone.
Now about 2D child or rape porn (loli and the like). Since it is all pixels and ink that substantiation is gone. The only thing left is the possibility that repeated viewings will somehow lower inhibitions against doing it in real life. But that's against the possibility that repeated viewings will RELIEVE the urge to do it in real life. Both have significant effect only on a small portion of population that's marginal to begin with, and which side wins is far from clear but if Japan's low rape statistic is any indication, it is the Relieve the Urge side. Of course, they do have a Chikan problem, but let's face it - Chikan is bad but given the choice b/w say 100 conventional chikan experiences and 1 conventional rape ... I don't think many women will say they prefer the Rape.
What's left as I can see is the negative of killing a pleasure from a fraction of the population and a restriction of freedom (a good thing in principle). Do you have anything to add to the "plus" side of the ledger? If not, why do you insist on being against freedom and happiness?
I can see the bittreness is this guys reply.
shut up the fuck you filthy korean
Really. Feminists really has nothing better to do that's why they try to deal with the little insignificant things like this? Can feminists stop the the economic downfall? No. Can feminists cure AH1N1? No. Can feminists stop North Korea's nuclear powered stupidity... Let me guess... NO! With all the crazy things that's happening to the world right now, they believe starting with the small things that don't really matter thinking that they made a non existent difference making them feel better about themselves. They're just a bunch of egotistic narcissists that are only filled with foolish ideals. Women's rights? Sure go ahead for all I care. Rights of two dimensional non existent beings brought out by imagination? You make me laugh.
hahaha what's this? Are they any Chinese executives running their company by any chance too? :3
BTW, if a group of US feminists started this, why didn't they ban only US IPs instead of every non-JP IPs?
Is it because to Japan, US IS the rest of the world?
Nah i think japan only stuff wants to keep for japan only there.
The xenophobia just increased.
Then they should stop using the TLD ".ph" for Jesus H. Christ's sake if their level of xenophobia has increased. D:
I'm really disappointed with that...It looks like a xenophobic attack *Sarcastic tone*
I feel I would've done the same thing as them, if I didn't stop and think about it. I mean, my first impression about eroge being restricted was that some group of middle aged women in the U.S. complained about it, causing the bans. But yea it can't possibly be that simple....but I guess they're mostly expressing themselves by responding like this.
fucking feminist gaijin, they dont have any right to fuck with other cultures
In truth I believe this all started with the h game rapelay was put in the newspaper (forgot about why) a while back, then feminists that have alot of time saw this banded together and went to the politician an so the politicians don't lose the support of the people they went again all these themes getting banned, but really why was nekkomimi getting banned?
dammit, I wanna play that eden* new visual novel by minori. argghhh! hey, thanks for the proxy link. was able to browse minori website! n_____n
because feminists know the name of japanese eroge manufactures or even their web adresses...?
id really like to know if there were even any non-japanese people browsing on that site. i think this hits mostly japanese people living outside japan.
but well... i dont care, if your games arent meant to be bought by us, you wont mind us pirating them... most do so anyway.
What the fuck am I supposed to do now without my rape game outlet!?
Them blaming foreigners makes about as much sense as us blaming EVERY single one of these recent bans on the feminists and this Equality Now group as representative of all feminists.
Lovely to see that's it's not only this site suffering from wrong finger pointing and baseless grouping of a diverse group of people.
I honestly don't blame this Minori group for being angry enough to call us "dirty foreigners".
But I believe both the mistrust of feminists and foreigners is equally uncalled for, though.
How is the blame on the FUCKING FEMINISTS uncalled for!?
In other words you support Feminazi's?
You don't sound like your on our side.
I know, not being a mindless one among the masses and having a personal view and opinion on the matter is totally uncalled for!
Where is all the ignorant illogical hate against the feminists devil? I mean, you know everything is the fault of feminism and feminists. And we must kill them and anyone who doesn't think like that.
Wonder what will happen if 4chan gets a hold of this lol
Nothing will happen. 4chan has no power in Japan. Well, they could do something about the feminists in the U S of A (doubtful), but it's too late for that to have any impact on the situation in Japan by now.
Like 4chan was a powerful netjustice "entity", anyway.
We, Sankaku users, having the right mindset and uniting ourselves, are much more powerful than any bored 4chan users would ever be.
I think we're better off letting the members of 2chan try and sort out this mess at their end. Although, considering that they aren't as affected by this ban against selling eroge to foreign consumers, I'm not too sure any of them'll be bothered enough to protest....
I think they should be banning access to Japan instead of foreigners. Most "barbarian" first-world countries (especially the US) have this thing called "Freedom of Speech", a concept that seems to be unheard of in Nippon. Nobody in America forces porn-makers to blur or pixelate their work.
If the Japanese ero industry prides itself of its "culture", it shouldn't give a fuck about what other countries think of them; they should get rid of outdated moralist ideas influenced on them by Westerners, and stick it to Japanese authorities if they don't like it. If all of that gets sanctioned, they should produce all uncensored pornography there underground or via internet websites not monitored by their government. Let's see if Japan likes to lose a huge chunk of its revenue for being a meticulous bitch regarding genitalia.
I'm fucking tired of all this political incongruence.
"Nobody in America forces porn-makers to blur or pixelate their work."
No, the people in America try to force Japan to ban all of the work entirety.
There are laws in the US designed to (unconstitutionally in my opinion) get around the First Amendment by banning 'obscene' material. Of course, what's "obscene" for one person isn't always for another, so you get publishers censoring a lot of stuff to cover their asses. And you have readers/watchers having to guess what the local 'community standards' might be when they decide to read or watch something. Because, for some reason, the 'community' has a right to control what an adult reads or watches in the privacy of their own homes. That's one reason US adult movies are so tame and bland in comparison to Japanese adult movies.
Besides the direct laws that get things censored in the US (either by direct laws or by overcautious companies afraid of the vague laws), you also have people pressuring companies who might produce various kinds of adult material into not publishing it by terrorizing them with public harassment and going after related companies in efforts to get things banned.
They also try to discourage people reading/watching adult material by demonizing it and the people who read it.
For a long time the US also made adult material harder to buy by restricting where it could be sold usually under the lie "We must protect the children!" Having to go to some sleazy store or a bad part of town to get adult material helps minimize sales.
The internet has changed all that and that's why the prudish immoral minority is running around trying to terrorize anyone who dares produce or consume anything their tiny little minds can't tolerate others reading/watching.
While I hate the genital blurring/censoring imposed in Japan (and also feel it is against the Japanese constitution, as well), don't think that the US is some safe haven for uncensored material. Censorship is alive and well in the US, they're just more sneaky about how they do it.
They don't want to look like hypocrites by doing something like China/Australia does with large internet filters, so they try to get the material banned at the source.
For instance: In the US it's legal to take/have nude photos of children as long as there is no sexual activity or poses (which, of course, is also a very vague notion that is open to wide interpretation). But the US has pressured Japan and other countries to ban simple artistic nudity that they haven't (yet) been able to ban constitutionally in the US. In the US, they apply pressure on stores that might sell such legal material to try and limit where it can be sold.
So no direct legal ban of simple nudity, but that doesn't stop them from getting it 'banned' by applying pressure on the companies that produce art books and the stores that would want to sell them. And at the same time, applying pressure to other countries to ban stuff that the US constitution would (and SHOULD) protect in the US.
So they feel offend by the fact Sankaku was mistranslating the news but it seems to work in there favor it doesn't stop them from what they do on thi website your only feeding there need to report as they see it.
We never mistranslated anything. I want to see evidence of this.
"Dirty foreigners"などと、中傷的な言い方は誰も書いていない。少しは反省しろ。
I think he ment defamatory expression...
It's called a paraphrase.
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%91%E3%83%A9%E3%83%95%E3%83%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BA [http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/パラフレーズ]
You're welcome.
Artefact I didn't mean to say it in that way and I am not accusing any of the staff members for mistranslation of Japanese news content. I am very sorry if I did say that out of context. All I am saying is that it doesn't stop you from reporting it, just like it won't stop ero-game makers from creating games so they feel so offended by foreigners and Websites that report there content why is it making them money?
and i'm sure the reason they're doing this is because (as the feminists claim) japan is the country with the most rapes per year. of course, if you exclude canada, australia, the u.s., sweden, the u.k., france, south korea, germany, russia, and taiwan.
I lived in japan for 2 years and I can say hand on heart that japan is a xenophobic, borderline racist country that doesn't want foreigners there.
You can't even pay for a fucking blowjob in japan without being told that you're a dirty disease carrying gaijin and are not allowed to enter.
It's time you japophiles wake up to the racist country that japan is and develop better hobbies than masturbating to lolicon porn
I'd get xenophobic and racist too if there were people who want to teach me how to live, tell me what to do and force me their ideas and beliefs like US and other nations try to do to Japan. of course, that's the minority which holds the power that threatens the japanes. "but hey - the commoners who come to Japan are not involved" you'd say. here's the problem - the commoners let their politicians to bash and blame the japanese for their culture, habits, way of being and try to teach them "how is the right way to be".
it's a rage message - but you get my idea, I hope.
P.S. minority was always the terrorizing part and the majority the suffering from this terror.
errrr...wtf???
You are saying it like there's no foreigners in any other countries, lol.
Come to Denmark and I'll show you how many there are. Sticking to your ways of life isn't stupid even if it looks stupid in the ignorants eyes. You keep it from you just as you do with the flies trying to stick to you.
If they can't get pass that they got some serius issues, just like the racists you meet outside who keeps blaming the foreigners for taking their jobs and their girls. Today foreigners, tomorrw the msuic, movies, clothes....oh someone said nazigermany or taliban?
PS: and I agree with you, it's always the majority that suffers but only because we allow them to affect us to make the majority suffer.
Japan is xenophobic and racist even BEFORE the whole feminazi shit happend.
Stop reading Debito and thinking all you see there is xenophobia.
borderline racist? i guess you didn't live there long enough. its way past the borderline.
You have never lived there. Both of you.
Unless you think anything minimally bad against foreigners by the Japanese elite is what represents the Japanese people as a whole...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUMoHv4Ac-8
This is the best video so far about the topic.
Yes.
But besides the Chinese, Russians and Koreans, we can say the media and government play a big part in the creation of discrimination. There was virtually no discrimination against Brazilians in the 80's. Exaggerating foreign crime is the worse thing that can be done to help the gaikokujin image...
Chinese and Koreans are a more complicated issue, as I'm sure you know. Besides thousands of years of common history, conflicts, etc, Zainichi Koreans generally choose not to integrate within Japanese society, as do most Chinese. Few consider themselves Japanese for having being born there. The parents are to blame, in this case (too). Of course, this is not an excuse for discrimination. But for the common ignorant masses, it will be enough (plus the thousand of years of stereotypes, diplomatic conflicts, relations, etc).
Discrimination against those of S.E. Asian origin is another case of cultural Imperialism, and then again, the media, common stereotypes about these countries, and these countries situations play a big role in the creation of this form of discrimination. But this type is common all around the world.
Japanese attitudes to white westerners are quite different to the general attitudes to Chinese, Koreans, Filipinos, Russians, S.E. Asians, Brazilians, etc. In these cases it is fair to say the attitude is generally one of unqualified racism and suspicion.
I don't think the Japanese are racist. Any time you're in a foreign country, you will get some people who are curious, some who are friendly, some who avoid you, and some who stare and kids who point (if you look conspicuously foreign), and some who make comments based on stereotypes they heard. These are little things, and nothing to worry about.
I wonder if the people who say they find Japan racist are white people who have only ever previously lived in a white-majority country where they speak the native language?
lol true but the best thing about it is that they see themself as a country being totally open to the foreigners, get pissed off this quick and start justifying how this move is total justice while they in their heads and hearts knows it's wrong.
DID GUNDAM SEED TEACH YOU NOTHING???!!! Atleast understand the messages in your manga and anime, dammit.
/me facepalms
日本が差別主義者の国だっていって
日本が嫌なんだったら、なんで日本のアニメ見てんだよ？頭おかしいんじゃねーの？
お前らの国は、さぞかし素晴らしいんだろうな
Sorry, I don't speak japanese well enough to read kanjis. Give me two years if no one translates this.^^
I'm going to learn japanese this august though but I know english, german, french, danish, swedish, norwaigen, hindi, punjabi, urdu, a little bit of arabic and turkey so if you know any of those langauges be welcome to write in that. (I'm danish by the way, we learn more than one language to know how to communicate with the world. I bet you learn more than one language in japan too but you don't want to use it^^ Thats also an example of being a closed country)
Ehem... after getting a cute nice japanese girl (no not a japanese traitor mind you)translate for me, I got this:
"You're calling Japan an advocate of discrimination, and
Why are you watching Japanese anime if you don't like Japan?Is your head strange? is it?
Your country must be really amazing"
First my head is fine, why thank you. I will not go down to your level and start calling you names.^^
Funny thing is that you get all defensive when someone start saying how your country is. Have you ever thought about how we feel when you do the same? Have you ever thought how offensive we think you(and Minori and your hostility when we visit japan) are when you blame us forsomething thats totally random?
This case is just one of many, if you want me to start on it trust me I can keep going the whole night while you will end up going; Then don't watch it (oh wait you did that already).
I watch anime because I find them interesting. They do what you don't do; stop giving others the blame and take it themself when they are wrong. Learn from it!
I find them giving me ideas and learn a bit more about japanese culture. I like the songs sung by the artists cuz they are good even some of the lyrics. I like the plots, the humour and the char development in some of them. I like it how someone got the fantasy to makethem and the mangakas/producers messages to the world.
My country isn't the best in the world and we pay like 48.7% tax as being the ones who pay most in the world. BUT we get free education, free medical help and social help. Oh, and we do not get stupidity that makes us ban the whole worlds IP except our own.^^ and then try to justify if that some women from USA made fun of us and we are now hurt and that is why we are taking revenge on the whole world.
I hope you do know that this is a perfect step to go back to the old japan, the new north korea, iran or any other closed countries. PLUS at the moment it's a little deal but the more you do stuff like this the more you will get famous in the whole world for the censoring you are starting to do from now on.
By the way, since you ppl don't like USA and the rest of the world; stop buying our CDs, movies, branded clothes, computers with our chips, etcetc. Lets be fair
/me facepalms again
Oh and next time you tell me I'm an weird/strange/idiot/stupid I'll go totally at you, not being this nice. Kind of like how you people are in 2ch.^^
PS: Stop using babelfish to translate it sux, start talking english, like the rest of the world. Heck engrish is okay too.
Japanese people are not xenophobic. There is even little prejudice (at least against Westerners). Maybe the Japanese government (LDP - Liberal Democratic Party/自由民主党) and the conservative media is, but not the people. Most of the prejudice Westerners face in Japan is near American bases, and no one can say it is undeserved.
Don't insult the Japanese people if you have never lived there...
That all said, I'm not trying to make it sound like Japan is the perfect place, with everyone acting perfectly to immigrants and foreigners. But let's give what its rightfully theirs: The PEOPLE, the ones you see, talk everyday are hardly xenophobic. They are one of the friendliest in Asia.
(すみません, 日本人. 私の日本語は下手です. Or I else I would have written the whole post in Japanese too).
After all, a couple of underground Japanese otaku -- probably angry 2ch hikikomori fags -- represents perfectly most of the Japanese people. A perfectly logical supposition.
Minori did wrong, but that's beside the point. Two wrongs don't make a right. One wrong doesn't justify commiting another. Etc.
LOL yeah asia but japan isn't the whole asia (thank god).
You are saying that we should not insult the japanese people if we don't live there? What's with that? Doesn't that go for us too or are the japanese the only special ones?
When you get the sentence "It's sad for you but it's also sad for Minori, so you just deal with it and stop ruining the otaku community"...don't you find that insulting? I mean it was Minori who took the action, it was some japanese otakus who wrote that shit...what is there not to get?
You can keep telling me that they aren't xenophobic but when you get one dude saying they aren't and 3-4 other only talking in japanese and insulting...I prefer to listen to the majority and decide how they are. Though it may be different how japan sees the world: A few feminists screaming a little bit, the wholwe world is against us, lets ban their IP and then get our people to tell them that they deserve it.
I don't care about the americans but when someone insult me and tell me I deserve it cuz of some americans then I'm part of the world, then I sure as hell call it xenophobic or being totally simpleminded, you decide.
You can keep coming back and tell us how they aren't xenophobic but notice this: Not one japanese has said the truth: Minori did wrong. They should not punish you for that. It's unfair towards you and we support you so hang in there.
WHY? cuz they fucking don't believe in it! for them it's right to do actions like that. If we do the same then the japanese would be screaming words like "racist" at us.
(To can lege den leg, yes I know other languages too..but you are still the only japanese writing in english while the rest wrote in japanese)
Okay, okay, I know you are sooooooooo smart. Though you look arrogant as scaning above your messages. You're danish? ..um..pity...but stil it is my favorite country to live^^
It got nothing to do about being smart or arrgogant. It's about being stepped on by a company and then getting the japanese people to tell you that they did the right thing by stepping on you.
....
actualy what did the video say here?
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7429250
Thoose old bastards who ban teh eroges, are, in a sense, more dirty than eroge characters
ehem and now to make my input.
"Where was that website now people told me about to used on a certain irani president? Something about the website going down cuz of too many hits"
ehem well all I can say is; I hope it's just something temp. and will be gone soon.
Otherwise...well even if they are few western otakus are otakus and if japanese otakus can get angry about Nagi from Kannagi not being a virgin and Hinata dying in Naruto, well then western otakus can get angry too when something like this happens.^^
So my japanese otaku friends and eroge companies; Lets not make this a trend, okay? ^^
(Now lets see how many of my comments gets lost in translation :P)
This website cannot be browsed excluding Japan.
Some pigs seem to be having an antipathy against EROGE.
Therefore, We prohibited the access for Pigs, Beaners, Flips, Chinks, Katsaps, Sand niggers, Great Shitains, kangaroo humpers, etc. To defend our culture.
Sorry for you of the pervert that lives in a moralfag country.
minori Inc.
HAW HAW~!
WELL DONE! xD
日本人も海外のポルノサイトから遮断されたりしてるんだけどな、こっちの方がひどくないか？
日本人はそのサイトに何の文句も言ってないのに
There is a whole industry of sites run by overseas Japanese selling uncensored porn to Japanese.
Japanese are weird fuckers.
They constantly steal english words (katakana) but at the same time they're xenophobic and have a piss poor attitude towards foreigners.
japan has a 99% japanese population, one of the most racist in the world.
Seriously japan, if you're gonna be racist too us then kindly fuck off stealing our words, or better yet learn to pronounce them properly. You know, the fucking L word, learn it.
Hiroshima, get over it already.
英語だってドイツから盜み取ったんじゃないか？外国だってお前みたいな種族主義者がよくあるんじゃないか？なぜ日本だけを差別してるだ？お前の方こぞracistなんだ。
funny how it's only the anon's that talk like this...
Tip to non-Japanese speaking Japanese for no particular reason: No Japanese speak this crudely in comments.
なぜゲームメーカーさんの気持ちが分からないだ？このイシアタマめ！できれば、彼らだってそんなことをしたくなかったんだ。もっとも彼らは法的な責任を背負ってる。外国からの反対運動がどんどんエスカレートしたら、きっと彼らは被害者になるんだろう。だから、その行動はだた自我保障のためだ。別に外国人を差別するつもりじゃない。よく考えてみろ。
I hate how only ignorant Debito readers who have never really LIVED in Japan got to voice their opinion to the Japanese...
Also, don't be that fucking ignorant. Languages adapt foreign words into their languages all the time. How "West-Germanic" English really is? Look at all the Romance, Latin, Greek, French, German, Spanish, Dutch and Celtic words adapted. Ultimately, that's how languages have arisen. And it was the most common thing in the world, during human expansion towards the whole planet.
The words are Japanese now. It's not different than "Blecaute" in Portuguese, a word derived from the English word "Blackout". Just because they use another alphabet, and one specifically for words of foreign origin, it does not mean these words are not Japanese.
I believe they're trying protect being lable as perverts makes the world question it.
Is it me or are you guys really into the "who's most racist" contest ?
As pissed off as some people here may be, I hope you understand the topic is not about Japan being this or that, but rather Eroge companies acting crazy.
Eroge companies = Japan ???
Well it started with that but then some japanese dude went: "You are stupid, you are ruining the japanese otaku commiunity, damn you western otakus."
Whereafter we went" errr..you people should support us cuz we are both otakus"
then it went "No they did the right thing you are wrong"
and then we went "no U, yes U" pointing out that it's stupid to not be able see it since we have done nothing wrong and punishing the whole world for what someone women on the other side of the world did.(Yes we are not all from USA)
The japanese can't see that Minori just went and said "This is part of our culture, you are not allowed to know it!" which is totally discriminating since there are others way to get your message forth. I'm just sad and disappointed that the japanese people(yes not the firm but every japanese thats been talking in this thread) can't see other options than banning every non-japanese IP in his case.
This is a good trial. All eroge companies should do that to protect games.
ouch... it seems that the proxy magic won't work anymore. no more browsing in minori's website. oh well... :(
my mistake, it still does work.
I don't think you read the explanation at all. It's an invitation for foreigners to help change Japanese legislation for the better and you turned it completely around against them.
Please stop making shit up.
its pretty funny thing
foreigners (LOL) gets pissed because they cannot access to the site
and they think that its unfair that they dont get any support
hey..wait a second, does these games get sold in us or eu or any other countries then japan?
ur....no? its only for japan, and the people who gets them
yeah, just use your p2p software, its nothin
and because of this + translation, mods....
thanks, all the feminists just got what they wanted
and yeah, thanks again because of that
hentai games got strict, there will be mostly none new games coming out
thank you foreigners, thank you feminist, thank you amazon england.
> and they think that its unfair that they dont get any support
You must've read the mistranslation of the entry posted on nnl1.com. The original English reads "and minori certainly can support itself with Japan-only sales." In this sentence, "support" does not mean in the sense of technical support, obviously.
nihon no anime minaide kureru?
Let's me explain for you in foreign contryies.
I am a fan of EROGE in Japan.
Please understand Minori's meaning is not "Dirty Foreigners Get Off Our Site!" but "We can not show our site because some radical foreigners say some Japanese pop caltures bring sex-related offense without any reasonable investigation or reseach of low crime late of sexual violence in Japan compared with other countries."
I have to say that "this headline is malicious".
I want to say that "please say NO to the radical person who attack EROGE in your country,especially in England".
Dear Hiro
The title on the topic are just to get our attention, we all know that.
We also know that writing two lines (in their old update) was enough to make us go; This is unfair? Whats the reason of this? Why?
Then when we had japanese otaku telling us that they(Minori)did right and it's also sad for us but it's our fault for this happening, we got angry. (Well I did)
Now after reading Minori's update, we get the reason and understand why Minori did that. Though they could just have written it at the start and we would be happy to help them, the japanese and us out.^^
You are the first japanese that I've noticed who wanted to explain the reason for taking this action. You have my thanks for being this much reasonable and trying to explain it to us. I appreciate it, thank you. :)
Ok.... I understand minori... well... if only PM Taro Aso could hear us, I mean, F&*^&*^&*^&! those who are against eroge! c'mon! :(
argh! I don't have issues with eroge blah-blah here in my country, please! open the site up! :( im so, so disappointed. :(
Please understand that the company did what they could to survive. At this point they're required overbearingly to show off their sincere attitude toward reactions from radical feminist groups.(even though they strongly belive that it is so much excessive)
I'm pretty sure that the Minori knows you oversea fans know how to use proxy.
Just give the Eroge makers some help, if you still want them. Speak up in your own country.
Like I said in the last two post: It would be just better to ask us from the start.
There were no need to send out a weird signal, making people wonder why they were the ones to be punished. There are many of us that don't follow american or japanese news.
What the wierd signal? I could only see a simple, explict message there.
Who thinks they're punished? Do you? by the Eroge maker? by Japan? oh hell no.
This is nothing like a sanction, but merely self-defense.
The Eroge maker never had a great intention to open up the new markets outside of Japan.
Nevertheless all of a sudden they got criticized severely for getting people to buy dirty, obscene products in the world.
It freaks them out so much.
I still think that the Minori rushed into extremes. But is there any alternative plan that is more suitable and capable for continuation of the company?
I could only see a simple, explict message there. <--- and since you are so simple....what did it make to you?
Who thinks they’re punished? Do you? by the Eroge maker? by Japan? oh hell no.
This is nothing like a sanction, but merely self-defense <---- yep I'm being punished, and try looking up selfdefense. I never did Japan (I enjoy my eroges)anything for being "selfdefense"-ed on.
Nevertheless all of a sudden they got criticized severely for getting people to buy dirty, obscene products in the world. <--- and dude you are still missing the point. It was done by a little group in usa, not the rest o fhte world. USA != za warudo
I still think that the Minori rushed into extremes. <---- yes thats teh weird signal I'm talking about. The first one signaled "fuck you", the second signaled "Help us please"
But is there any alternative plan that is more suitable and capable for continuation of the company? <--- always, it's all about sticking heads together and find one instead of giving the blame to others.
Now we got a black dude on the seat in america, people did critisize and offend him, should he do this kind of "selfdefense " too? Wouldn't it be great if he started banning everyone who thought something else XD
Current Japanese situation
To our regret, an English version of the summary of the regulatory problem was not able to be made.
This sentence is made by using the translation website.
Therefore, please agree that there is a possibility to give a false impression to you who are reading, too.
Game restriction details summary
http://www28.atwiki.jp/erogekisei/
Lie "Japan is a child pornography large country".
http://icc-japan.blogspot.com/2008/11/blog-post_28.html
The Diet relay
http://www.shugiintv.go.jp/jp/video_lib3.php?deli_id=39900&media_type=wb [http://www.shugiintv.go.jp/jp/video_lib3.php?deli_id=39900&media_type=wb]
There are two problems about the bill of the restriction of the child pornography of this Japan.
1.The investigation is not made visible like being quite vague the standard of a pertinent restriction,
and the problem of the government party bill that can be done in the crime in simple maintenance.
2.The creation of two dimensions (game and cartoon, etc.) that is the product of the delusion where
the direct harm person doesn't exist is problems of the opinion that it is necessary to put it in the object of this restriction.
Regretting personally : the simple maintenance problem of one.
It is what TV and the press report organization in Japan do not try to tell Japanese citizen strangely.
Whether a virtual press restriction is being put by the government party is guessed.
It would be greatly appreciated if it could cooperate because of the freedom of wholesome democracy and the expression.
大手と言われる所でさえ一般向けのゲーム作ってるメーカーには遠く及ばない、弱小企業である事はわかって欲しい。
日本では今、児童ポルノの単純所持規制問題と平行してEROGEにも規制が及んでいる。現在進行形で。
法規制ではなく、"自主規制"だから、正直ユーザーにできる事も余り残されていない。
必死こいて頑張ってはいるけれど、見通しは暗いままだ。
外国人に見せて何も問題が起きないなら私だって見せたって構わないと思うが、今回のEROGE規制に至った理由を考えれば恐怖心もある。
個人的には、今回のシャットアウトが一過性のもので終わる事を祈ってる。
There are feminist in Japan you know...
Anyway. I ran into this myself, and laughed. I was wondering if it was widespread.
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This website is able to be browsed by Japanese or people who lives in Japan.
Some foreigners seem to be having an antipathy against EROGE. Therefore, We prohibited the access from foreign countries, to defend our culture.
2009-06-27 Director of erogmap, NOG
海外の邦人の皆様へ。日本の法令と文化の下でエロゲを嗜んでいきたいという場合は、下記フォームに「かくにん」を漢字で記入してOKボタンを押すことで、erogmap内を閲覧することが出来ます
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this is just Bull SHIT!!! fuck all them FEM groups someone need to give them all a good whip down if that dont help off them all. fuck i hae groups like that and all the bs thy give us now.. its wrong and they need to b destroyed.. this message will be destroyed in 5 secs beep beep beep
this is really making me wanna turn japanese even more
Why is their server .ph if they're from Japan?
Yes. mailing the Japanese DIET is a short-term solution. What the Japanese are frustrated about foreign Otaku is that they simply do not have a mindset of responsibility. Yes, there are feminist evils in Japan (brought in by foreigners, unwelcomed, including the feminists evil headquarters in Scandinavian countries) but Japanese Otakus have been fighting to save the industries producing artworks they love.
When feminists evil try to shut down an industry, Japanese Otaku on 2ch co-operate to buy products, doing internet related attacks and such on feminists. It makes feminists in Japan think twice before meddling with Otakus.
The same cannot be said for foreigners, be it Americans, Canadians, Europeans and such. To save face they play into feminists reasoning and refuse to protect artworks they love when it is under attack by feminism. So, you only want to play the game but doesn't want to protect it?
Being living in Japan for some time, I must said Japanese are more honest to the stuffs they love, and will not back down from any reasoning opposing it. If you want garbage out then you must treat it as such, playing soft and trying to "understand" feminists will not work, they did not try to understand us from the beginning neither.
Generalization is bad but it is the only way to make ppl and groups self-regulate so their norm do not wander off, and to make foreigners realizing responsibility towards stuffs you love is important.
Eroge is culture... :l