“Black Widow” Rapes Ten Men

loved the black widow anime, was total win.... :D

Yes, in the long-term.

Also, the notion, that victims just should get over it, is somewhat insulting. They didn’t ask for their condition, they’d much prefer if they didn’t have it, but they do, and thus they have to deal with it on a day to day business.

Things like this take time, patience and a lot of work and the understanding that it could very well all be in vain. Still doesn’t mean that it’s not worth the effort to try. But that a sense of realism is required in understanding that this isn’t just something that will be resolved with a snap of your fingers."

This, this exactly, and further this exactly.

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@SaruDa: My recommendation: read Confidential Confessions (by Reiko Momochi) Vol. 5. You can probably find it online if you're not to purchase it.

@SaruDa

You're making another mistake in your argumentation. Just because the body responds to stimulus, doesn't mean that the subject is enjoying the sensation.

Example:
A male can be forced to ejaculate through the application of electrical currents to his body, needless to say the subject doesn't feel pleasure, even though his body did climax.

It's really no different from the reflex response found, when a doctor hits your knee with one of those little hammers. You may not want to respond, but your body does.

And sex, especially actual enjoyment is pretty much between the ears. The high you get from being intimate with someone you love is quite different from the high you get by just getting your rocks off during a pick-up with a stranger.

It's like comparing a three course meal to a quick trip to a fast food joint.

Also, the notion, that victims just should get over it, is somewhat insulting. They didn't ask for their condition, they'd much prefer if they didn't have it, but they do, and thus they have to deal with it on a day to day business.

For someone who was raped, this will lead to trust issues, making fitting into society difficult to say the least. Thus further aggravating the issue.

For someone with PTSD, it's a sense of anxiety that won't go away. Something like a bad exhaust/muffler system, can sound like a gunshot, thus triggering an episode. The get over it attitude was often displayed during the day when it was still known as shell shock, and guess what, it was just ineffective in getting folks to deal with the issue.

Things like this take time, patience and a lot of work and the understanding that it could very well all be in vain. Still doesn't mean that it's not worth the effort to try. But that a sense of realism is required in understanding that this isn't just something that will be resolved with a snap of your fingers.

I am sorry but I hate misunderstanding conversations, and it is a little hard on the internet. Yeah, I am serious business, even on the internet.

- so you did call me stupid?

- did you actually agree with me, or were you baiting?

Your points could seriously be interpreted in both ways.

"But I think the gist of the things that I have the most reservations about are the people that make up the environment. I just don’t think people are all that intelligent and enlightened. In fact I think the masses are made up of people who are pretty stubborn and would hang on to their formed views about women and men. I have seen it happen all too often how the public will cast their views on the victim. People love to jump the gun and attack whatever it is that the society calls for."

I agree entirely. I guess it's okay to push the consequences of the shortcomings of society on society's scum(rapists), right?

"@anon: I hope you’re not the same as ‘female’, because if so your IQ dropped significantly."

erm... this statement made me a little concern. The meaning could be clearer still. Did you just call me stupid? *sad face*

Anyway, I just read through some more comments made in this thread. I do believe that most people can try to get themselves out of certain unhappiness but I still don't believe it is universal. I guess some do kill themselves.

But I think the gist of the things that I have the most reservations about are the people that make up the environment. I just don't think people are all that intelligent and enlightened. In fact I think the masses are made up of people who are pretty stubborn and would hang on to their formed views about women and men. I have seen it happen all too often how the public will cast their views on the victim. People love to jump the gun and attack whatever it is that the society calls for.

@anon: I hope you're not the same as 'female', because if so your IQ dropped significantly.

"You’re making another mistake in your argumentation. Just because the body responds to stimulus, doesn’t mean that the subject is enjoying the sensation."
I never once fucking said that.

"Also, the notion, that victims just should get over it, is somewhat insulting. They didn’t ask for their condition, they’d much prefer if they didn’t have it, but they do, and thus they have to deal with it on a day to day business."
Of course, nobody asks for fucking mental illnesses. It's(or can be) a great deal of trauma and emotional turbulence. Anybody who spends their whole life on it though(or more than like a couple years) is just giving it to themselves in my opinion. Are you saying it's insulting to call humans resilient? I really truly believe that with proper counseling and some time it's not the end of the world. They may think it is when the rape happens, but humans were made to move on.

Reading your post, I got the sense that you have a case of learned helplessness or you assumed that any rape victim does, when that's simply not the case, or at the very least shouldn't be the case.

To female:
My heart does go out to those who have suffered from rape, but I don't like to make judgments based on personal feelings.

As we both agreed, rape is a highly psychological crime. As you said, there is no standardized method by which anyone can get past something they consider traumatizing. Because sex is an extremely consensual act, laden with overtones of trust in any culture, the result of having it abused can be extreme for any victim. However, there is also the possibility that the result of rape will hardly phase the victim, or that the victim will even enjoy it, be they male or female(though as mentioned earlier, the odds of a girl liking it are lower due to the cultural double standard).

One of the main parts of your rebuttal that bother me is the statement: "How each individual reacts from the attack will be unique and there will be people who won’t be able to employ any form of view that can be considered enlightened. And we can’t exactly fault those who can’t get out of the emotional depths; people feel what they feel and they can’t help it."

I agree that every case will be different, and I am also a fervent Determinist. However, I do believe that people can overcome any mental obstacle unless it reduces them to a blubbering mess all at once. Things like PTSD and severe onsets of depression do happen in result to rape(I fear I'll be called terribly naive and calloused if I blame that also on sickening cultural double standards[especially towards younger girls]), and for this reason I can not reasonably say that it's in the 'lower tier' among crimes. One of my main points was that it was less serious than objectively life-crippling crimes, such as murder or kidnapping.

It seems that a high amount of prudence is required in dealing with any rape case, as it also seems a gross misuse of the law when a guy "date rape"s his girlfriend who he had believed was ready to go all the way and he later has no clue he had done anything wrong, and a guy(with HIV) who brutally gang rapes a virgin get the same punishment. I mean really, I feel the first(if it was truly an honest mistake) shouldn't even get him on the sex offender's list(maybe a misdemeanor, restraining order, and a fine), whereas the second one can rot in jail for all I care. Most rapes fall between these two extremes, and I feel they should have appropriate varying punishments.

The number one way of doing this would be to have the input of an unbiased and professional psychiatrist(for both victim and rapist) on every rape case before a verdict is reached, but at this point cultural thoughts are too deeply ingrained in the population for it to be a viable solution.

Well she was forcing a men to have a erection and keeping it up is hard to do even when you use clonidine.

tl;dr

tl;dr:

I think you make some really good points regarding the psychological and sociological aspects of rape, but something doesn't sit well with me...

I think you have pretty much pointed out why double standards occur both for the person himself/herself but the way the society views the victim in regards of their sex. Though you seem to grasp that but your argument somehow lacks empathy, and therefore feels inadequate.

Precisely because of the fact that the wounds that result from rape are highly psychological, there isn't a standardised method or medication that can be applied, guaranteeing recovery. How each individual reacts from the attack will be unique and there will be people who won't be able to employ any form of view that can be considered enlightened. And we can't exactly fault those who can't get out of the emotional depths; people feel what they feel and they can't help it.

And the fact that you pointed out regarding the victim taking a viewpoint that is coherent to his/her understanding of his/her surroundings is very true, but I think the same applies towards the audience that make up the surroundings of the victim. And that act also re-enforces the colour and view of the whole incident.

No matter how much we would like to think that our surroundings are filled with enlightened individuals who have both intelligence and empathy, that isn't the case most of the time.

Questions and views made on the female victim usually encompass:

-did she bring it upon herself?
-was she a tease?
-did she specifically said no?
-she sure recovered fast, the psychological damage she suffered must have been negligible or maybe she actually enjoyed it.

Questions and views made after the victim has been declared male:

-was the attacker attractive?
-if she was, how lucky!
-if she wasn't, that is terrible!

I am not saying these are the universal reactions but generally how the public reacts to crimes like these. How can it be easy on the victim when views and opinion are constantly given to tell them how to react to the incident?

concise:

The opinions given here are somewhat indicative of what the society thinks as a whole. In regards to rape stories featuring female victims, how often do we see comments that questioned consent? People will always jump the gun in regards to that, male or female observer. And people seem to only care if the female attacker is attractive.

in regards to SaruDa:

I do see the argument you are making but it feels like there aren't actual empathy. Isn't it precisely because of the fact that they are emotional and psychological damage that the cure is elusive? Maybe you do but it isn't coming across from your passage and I am sorry if this offends.

Actually, said anon does have a point.

When you're dead, you don't feel anything, you're no longer suffering.

Granted, the ones around you are suffering, but they suffer as well, when you'd be raped.

And while it doesn't excuse the taking of a life.. Well.. Death can be a mercy to some, compared to a lifetime of misery.

And before you say bollocks.

Say that to folks who actually want to be euthanized, but due to local laws aren't allowed to do so, despite them having diseases, which will kill them, eventually, after a lot of suffering and anguish, and which aren't curable.

Rape has been around since history began?

"When you’re dead, you don’t feel anything, you’re no longer suffering."
Okay, so if that's the better alternative and you're a rape victim, kill yourself.

I'm being completely serious here. As long as you have your life in front of you good things can still happen. To me, that entirely justifies staying alive. But if you're convinced that's not the case, kill yourself.

At least you have more options after being raped.

Also,

"Say that to folks who actually want to be euthanized, but due to local laws aren’t allowed to do so, despite them having diseases, which will kill them, eventually, after a lot of suffering and anguish, and which aren’t curable."

Any way I look at it, this point is in my favor rather than against me. No rape victims that I know of are so sickly that they can't get out and kill themselves. Most of them are young, and hence have a full life in front of them. To the people sitting in a hospital bed lonely and waiting to die, I consider death more of a mercy than to a rape victim.

I'm very sorry for you anon. Perhaps you will never grasp the true value of a life.

If someone close to you is a murder victim maybe you would have a different opinion.

lol "good thesis statement".... have u been taking too many english courses lately? =p

Thank you, Atma, for adding decency to our articles once again.

WHAT?? u surely mean OVER 9000!!

Atma = Goddess.

I suspect that the lack of equality may have something to do with males assuming that females that rape them are hot and weaker than them (implication: it's not really rape, since they could stop it).

IRL most males would be suing. The guy who denied his right to file charges is probably just deluded / attempting to reconcile his preconcieved position of superiority.

It's simple. There is no equality.
And I don't know why women want this "equality".
After all, they are treated much better than some moons ago.

Well, if we were to assume most men here don't dabble romantically with females on a regular basis... and given the opportunity of sex with no strings attached from an attractive person they would likely not meet again, I can kinda see why most comments are alright with this.

It baffles me too why that person (and probably other unknown victims) would've enjoyed getting abused by a complete stranger.

Maybe is not only the stereotype of guys loving sex, but the stereotype of women being physically weaker than men so abuse is less likely to happen. All together makes woman raping men not so bad (how that makes sense, I can't even fathom).

It's not rape if you're willing (for a guy). Most men will not turn down sex with a hot female. At least not with a struggle. But the drugging part...

Consider most ppl on SanCon have ZERO experience with vagina in real life, they are probably just high on testosterone to think that it's ok. Granted what she did wasn't as bad as pedophiles, still she was objectifying those victims. Why is it so hard to ask for permissions? I am sure plenty of guys would sign up for it. Not to mention she could have killed somebody if the dosage is off. No amount of sex, no matter how good it is, is worth losing your life for it.

@ Atma

Though I agree with you, many of these who say that they wouldn't mind to be raped by a hot woman are just trolling. Some want to post just anything (and not be called to be "gay").

Personally I would hate to be raped by anyone regardless of age, gender and attractiveness. However I also admit that it would be much worse for me to be raped by any male than by any female. Also, it would be worse to be raped by an ugly woman compared to a cute one. So, even though I'd wish the rapist to rot in jail forever no matter who they are, it would be a different level of torture (the rape itself and the memories of it).

@ everyone

One thing I'm curious about: would it be worse for an average heterosexual woman to be raped by a man or by a woman?

There are a lot of people interested in sexual relationships which are not tied to feelings.
it's just "to have sex".
as someone alread said, "sex without love is an empty experience. but out of all the empty experiences, that's the one i prefer".
the fact that "Nearly every victim described her as an attractive and friendly brunette" is useful to us as to safely assume that they would "hit her". The only thing they can really regret at this point is the fact that they have been put to sleep...

things could have gone in another direction if the victim was a faithful one, to his girlfriend or wife or whatever

So, sexually assaulting adults is not as bad as merely having sexual thoughts about children?