i posted above we need to fight im sending a letter and email to DPJ who support the dan as a protest i confirmed that i got 128 to do the same over about 18 websites that show manga, anime and game forms and thats what i confirmed i don't know many more probably did the same i don't know but 128 people is surly not enough to stop a ban UN-less people put in death threats or something but thats not recommended id rather stop it now while its easier when if passes it will be much harder i do agree it should be given a mature rating or something similar all the same to me i can still get it either way

But with all due respect, banning "this disgusting shit" will have about the same amount of effectiveness as the war on drugs (hint: none at all).

The amount of tax payer money spent on enforcing a ban on loli will far, FAR outweigh the value on the effectiveness on the outcome. As stupid as the people who fap to lolicon are, they will find other ways to share and distribute the material in ways that you or I never, never dreamed of. It will be an eternal game of cat and mouse, and perhaps making lolicon illegal will only increase its effective value even more in the underworld.

And putting these people in forced labor camps just for owning lolicon? Talk about inhumanity.

If you REALLY want to solve this problem of lolicon, you're barking up the wrong tree by trying to ban it. The problem is embedded deep in the culture. Yes, there will always be the sick fucks who cause problems for the people who otherwise harm nobody, but damn, just take a look at your own government and watch your local news.

Most people who look at lolicon just need help in their lives...give them friends, places to belong, take away their social stigma, maybe a chance to be involved with a living, breathing, adult version of the gender of which they admire, and take away their reason to stay isolated look at lolicon in the first place.

You All Know, That When We "Lolis" Lose Acsses to Loli Pics and equal, we Will go for the real thing.

Think A bit People!
The Crime of Child Rape will Sky Rocket.
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Thogth this is just my own opinion on the subject,
im sure this will happen.
and japan will lose a LOT turists, Byers, Shoppers, wievers and most other industries connected to Hentai in general.

Dating sims will be just dating sims with a boring kiss instad of and sexy kiss scene and maby a build up for the Big thing....

and as said:
This is just my own opinion on the subject

Cool trolling you little shit.
-2/10. I did lol though.
Man I love summer.

@Last Anon
Perfect rebuttal couldn't have said it better myself.

>“If lolicon is banned some people will go for the real thing”

>Evidence, since people on this site seem constantly to want to rely on the parallel defence that there’s no evidence that this kind of pornography does any harm.

No please, show me some evidence; either supporting your opinion or not.
Nice try being EVANGELICAL and TELLING US LOL MY OPINION while showing nothing to back it up.

Man I LOVE summer.

"Japan's politicians succumb to international pressure"... Dudes! It's about time this disgusting shit gets banned!

"what is being produced is not art, it is art in the thinnest sense, and lacks artistic merit"

You do realize how broad of a definition the term "art" has, don't you? Whether you particularly like it or not, a drawing of a loli is indeed art. And who decides what has "Artistic merit"? Whether or not a work of art has artistic merit is the opinion of the ones that view it. Don't state your own opinions as fact.

That aside, the larget issue is simply the censorship itself. Unless there is evidence supporting that the existance of loli art (or in the past case, art/games/whatever depicting rape) is actually harmful to society, then there's no reason for it to be banned. Laws/rules in a political setting should be governed by logic, not by morals. Morality changes from person to person, logic is absolute. Any rights taken away to please some group with a certain set of morals sets horrible precedent.

Evidence, since people on this site seem constantly to want to rely on the parallel defence that there's no evidence that this kind of pornography does any harm.

And the fact that Japan has a lower rate of sexual violence than other countries is not evidence, it's a convenient correlation of broad trends.

"The latest assault on the artistic freedoms guaranteed by the Japanese Constitution"

I would argue that this doesn't come under the scope of artistic freedom or freedom of expression because:
1 - what is being produced is not art, it is art in the thinnest sense, and lacks artistic merit, and ...
2 - when I say it isn't covered by freedom of expression, that isn't to say that it isn't in itself an expression, but that it shouldn't be covered even if it is (just like racism, sexism etc.).

The law seems to be on my side, and there's a reason for that, if you can grasp it.

"Eeeeeevery sperm is Saaaaacred, eeeeeevery sperm is goooood"

Reality check.
What are we discussing? Art. Some good, some bad... but artistic expression nonetheless.
Not real people, not real children... The horrible things in life DO exist, and denying that they do and trying to stop them is one thing...
But, to attempt to generally ban the concept (in this case an artistic depiction) is a step away from the individual and towards controlled society.
Unless the art in question is causing increased troubles to the REAL situations involving what the art depicts...
Unless there is evidence of this, this type of ban will only stomp out ALL of the art in question...
Good and bad. Causing much worse things than simply stopping "some disgusting games".

I play visual novels for compelling story and art, and several which contain eroge elements... i'll be DAMNED if I want someone else telling me what I should think and see.
Hurting people is wrong... but thought is the only world that is somewhat our own. A generalized ban without evidence as opposed to a specific ban with evidence is a ban to control thought...

Creativity and the occassional masterpiece will be sacrificed to the misinformed general public...

I'm not sure what you mean by lolicon (i'm not part of the culture). If lolicon was what Handley had (graphical depictions of children sexually abused by adults and animals), then it was considered obscene.

"The Court stated that "an offer to provide or request to receive virtual child pornography is not prohibited by the statute. A crime is committed only when the speaker believes or intends the listener to believe that the subject of the proposed transaction depicts real children. It is simply not true that this means 'a protected category of expression [will] inevitably be suppressed,' post, at 13. Simulated child pornography will be as available as ever." Williams at 17."

IOW, lolicon is still protected here. It was a DIFFERENT part of the PROTECT act that was maintained. There are different parts.

It was still not CP, read up on the case,The PROTECT act part was thrown out by the judge early on. So it only became an obscenity case, don't be confused by the wording.

Man I hope the outdated obscenity laws get struck down soon...

The other case had REAL CP involved as well.

Handley pled guilty to one count of “possessing obscene visual representations of the sexual abuse of children" (and also one count of mailing obscene material.)

I'm not sure what you mean by "loli" -- if they're not engaged in sex acts, then it's probably ok. But if you think a ban on fictional images is always unconstitutional, you've just plain misunderstood the law.

A plea bargain hasn't changed any laws. Loli is still legal, unless someone calls it obscene.

The Supreme Court ruled on this issue SEVERAL TIMES, and has always found bans on fictional images unconstitutional.