Emboldened by their success in turning over the craven eroge industry, Japan’s own spineless politicians are once again obediently heeding international demands for a complete ban on artistic depictions of minors engaged in sexual activity.
The latest assault on the artistic freedoms guaranteed by the Japanese Constitution comes from the Komeito (“Clean Government Party”), which exclusively represents the interests of a Buddhist cult, the Sokka Gakkai, and consequently is a great fan of censorship and attempting to legislate public morality. UNICEF Japan honcho Agnes Chan herself is a member of the cult.
Responding to the usual outrageous international claims that Japan is causing child abuse and encouraging lolicon in other countries with its liberal laws on pornography, the Komeito obediently proclaimed that Japan should obey these demands:
“Being called ‘a child porn power’ is shameful and we must act to rectify this by an immediate revision of the law. The Diet must immediately consider such a revision.”
Domestic politicians often like to claim Japan “is out of step” or “lagging” compared to other countries when they wish to push through a policy, and in this case they have also been claiming it is “a national disgrace” to be defamed by feminists and their ilk.
They go on to make a lengthy screed against the evils of child pornography, as usual failing to register the fact that Japan is vastly more safe for children than any of the nations so concerned with banning the material.
Then they reveal the latest direction in their thought:
“Further, last month we conducted an investigation at Akihabara, looking at those games and similar depicting sexual violence which fall outside the scope of current laws, and how their sale might be restricted. We as a party are absolutely determined to pursue a revised law which lead to a complete elimination of child pornography.”
2ch wryly remarks that it is the Komeito who should be eliminated from Japanese politics.
In 2008, the laws against such pornography were stiffened, but the LDP dodged the messy issue of whether to ban 2D artistic depictions of sex involving minors by deferring judgement to a later date. The Komeito is clearly aiming to obtain immediate additional restrictions.
The Komeito is a minor party, but has long held disproportionate influence due to its willingness to ally with the ruling LDP. It remains to be seen whether the LDP will side with them in making further assaults on freedom of expression.
The recent self imposed ban on “rape” in adult games was imposed by an industry short-sightedly opting to secure the sales of the majority of companies by sacrificing the minority to appease the moralists.
The industry seems set to repeat this dismal calculus with loli and any other politically objectionable genres, and it is possible that manga, anime and who knows what else will fall prey to censors next, especially with politicians encouraged by the postiviely supine response seen so far.
As expected, the lack of any enthusiastic or organised opposition to creeping censorship has only emboldened those who would force their moralistic views onto society. It is a slippery slope and a long way down…
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lets join hand and ban real life pornstar so women won't gain money and loli won't get ban
THIS PETITION!
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/lolicon-protection-act-of-2008
SIGN IT! NOOOW!!
Chris is not pleased. Why do they try to take away everything that I love? We westerners have a duty. To unite all of the world's good loli artists and flood the internet with it in retaliation. I shall not be censored.
Our era is about to end. WHERE IS OUR GOD NOW?
How should i?
From a small almost unknown country effect japan, america and the world.
And i clearly call myself hentai god sometimes.
Don't ban hentai,fictional loli,fictional rape.
in all honesty i despise the lolicon sub-genre of anime and manga. I do not think we have to worry too much about this ban being the end of anime or manga. I prefer real and adult women. The fact is lolicon sexualizes young girls. I have not seen anything that makes me think different. However people have been abusing kids long before lolicon and rape simulation games. Anybody has the right as a consumer not to buy products that they find morally or personally offensive. Might as well ban the catholic church because of a few pedophile priests, that offends me too.(sorry recovering catholic) My personal opinion is if your so much of a loser you have to get off by playing a game that forces a 2d animated (loli)character to have sex against her will that is an issue that has to be settled between you and a shrink. Leaves more hot, adult, japanese women for me(32 days and counting till my trip to Japan)
Everyone to his/her own poison there. No need to step on other people's toes.
If you can't get there on time before moralfags target bushy AV stars, get them banned and leaves you unable to get laid, left alone jacking off on their videos, well GG.
Hater, I have the ability to talk to women
Yeah, and having an alternative taste in pornography means you are too much of a nerd to even speak to women, amirite?
Seriously, if you search through the porn of most "normal" men, chances are you are going to find that they have at least one fetish that is considered weird.
Japan is Lolicon Central in the world. Good luck...
Don't worry guys. With Japan, the otakus won't even vote for any of those moralfags who ban loli and hentai. What those Moralfag politicians are doing is digging their own graves.
Too bad an overwhelming number of Japanese don't care to vote anyway.
Those guys should just make their own country and leave other countries alone.
Again they are trying. I so dislike the UNICEF.
Noo u can never stop LOLI cause LOLI owns u
does this include the PowerPuff Girls Z?
That too. And even the originals.
Fuck.
Someone get some otakus that actually the balls to kill these fuckers if they ban loli. The fall of loli will be the downfall of almost all anime, manga and eroges. It's like a fucking domino theory.
Fucking man up Japan, don't take shit from these fucking feminazis.
YES GOD! MAKE MY DREAM COME TRUE! BAN ALL THIS SHIT! MAKE DEATH PENALTY TO ALL WHO SUPPORT IT! YES! GOD IS GREAT! LONG LIVE ENKI!
You are either a fucking troll or I don't know, but please die in fire.
LONG LIVE GOD! YES!
Son, I am disappoint.
I'm a vegetarian. I find eating meat extremely disgusting, after all it is the dead body of an animal. Come on, only zombies are that low to eat something dead...even a vampire would go for a living person instead...
So ban meat first, then hmm, how about violent games, then violent movies, then guns, then knives, then anything else that can be used to kill a person (including a glass of water...heck you can poison it, or even worse break the glass and slice up someone... glasses of water are versatile killing tools), and after all that, you can start banning real sex, after that comes 3D porn, and then you can consider 2D when you are done with all of then above...oh wait, you got locked into jail before that because someone thought you are the one who looks suspicious for trying to drink water from a glass...too bad, you can't ban anything anymore. :P
If they ban or punish 2D artistic depictions of sex involving minors...
Then they need to ban violent images which can be "equally" as damaging to society. On the flip side reward people who make depictions of super hero saving people.
No...that wouldn't be logically because they are just ARTISTIC DEPICTIONS, not real breathing people placed in those situation or harmed. Fiction.
Moralfags ftl
Rape games lead to rape IRL!
Loli leads to child exploitation!
Rap encourages criminal activity and drug use!
Sexual material in the media is corrupting our children!
Violent video games lead to violent behavior!
Hmn i find it rather funny how American complaining women think it is in their duristiction to go tell another person from across the globe to stop doing loli things because they simply do not agree and find it such a problem that they wont simply ignore the so called problem and instead turn it into their proclaimed business. I find it rather annoying how controling the USA likes to be even though a lot of people commenting on here are from the USA i mean no disrespect to them but the country has so far liked to be the one in charge of many events in this world, but as for this situation is going as far as to ban a lot of Anime just because a drawing depics a shame full scene when in fact it is simply an animation and is there for not even real so i see that the American women are somehow idiotic as they cannot tell the difference between an animation and real life.
But all i can say for support against these argueing self proclaimed "normal people" is this quote from an Anime:
"Gentlemen i like war, Gentlemen i love war"
"Gentlemen do you also want war?"
I'm an American woman who loves Loli. I'm sure that there are far more that like or don't give a damn either way than those who are like "Equality Now". The problem is that the most organized opposition to these frivolous bans is message boards like 2Ch. While the powers of 2ch are formidable, there's no organization, and for those outside of Japan to stand up and say something it could more or less end up in V& in their native countries. Those of us who support lolicon are just not as loud as the big mouthed biddies who can't keep their noses out of other people's bussiness.
Sad but true :(
Also ,just to think about it... If you say ban lolis, most people will agree because of "generic' morals. However, if you say 'don't', you will be treatened as a sick fuck. Probably that is why there arent any such organizations.
Treatment as a sick fuck is not near enough to stop me from joining said organization. To be honest I'd join most organizations that fight against censorship without question as I believe it is one of the worst possible things to take away the freedoms we each rightly deserve.
Hail Hentai!
Now what really make up the ranks of the moralfags?
A bunch of conservative ol' unattractive prunes who felt they need attention? ( Not that what they doing now is helping either )
Ohohoho, this is going to be like the Prohibition Period again. If this law is passed, the Yakuza are going to take over and we get a Japanese Al Capone. Good times.
I support the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund. This is not far from all forms of media getting banned because a bunch of losers who hate their life want to push others around to feel better.
In the future the anime will be like the catoons of USA:
-No fanservice
-No gore
-No more violence
-No lolis
-without psychological depth
-No more offensive words
-No more words like death, sex, etc
-No more Moe
...and the topics of the mangas will be like Doraemon.
-without the things that I wrote above
-kid friendly
apparently there is nobody in Japan who has the balls to to oppose them.
well... game over.
continue?
There are too many mediocre anime shows using loli fanservice as a substitute for good stories and writing. Banning loli and reducing fanservice could be good for anime, if it leads to more shows like GitS SAC and Texhnolyze instead of Strike Witches.
I have yet to see a single proof for the claim that the moe/fanservice to serious/deep ratio has changed in any significant way over the past decade.
There has been a change. Japanese television went through a censorship craze in the second half of the '90s (even Cowboy Bebop got censored in it's original airing). They tried to clamp down on what was shown during daytime time-slots, and spawned late-night time-slots for more mature programming. It was a split between mainstream and otaku-centric anime that never really existed before. And the new freedom of late-night time-slots spawned more made-for-fanservice series, starting with Mahoromatic and Hand Maid May, that previously would have only been made into one-episode OAVs.
Didn't you read the entire list or something?
-No gore
-No more violence
-without psychological depth
-No more offensive words
-No more words like death, sex, etc
Now tell me if GitS and Texhnolyze can be successfully done without any of this.
Animation Age Ghetto.
If eroges are banned so should the politicians.
You no ban loli. Loli bans you!
this is madness!
Time to go on the chan and save every image of loli before this ban goes through...
'Cause it probably will, considering I dun think anyone is really gonna make themselves get labelled as pedos in the media.
Leave the flat chests alone!!!! JUST LEAVE THEM ALONE!!!!
And how fucking dare ANYONE out there make fun of flat chested women. After all they've been through. They're HUMAN!!
Leave flat chests and lolicons alone RIGHT NOW.
Wrong! Banning is wrong. Restricting is okay, but banning is just wrong.
rape play was.. what.. a small percentage of a small field of games and manga... so no loss there to the companies, but when there bottom line is threatened by these hacks...... now loli... they wouldn't dare since it's a BIG chunk so they probably hava battle from the companies on that... shouldn't have gave up on the rape play, or made it more difficult to ban it.. show weakness and the sharks will swarm.... something i wish obama-rama would learn...>_<
Hahaha... no matter what they do to the japanese artists, there already thousands upon thousands of other people ready to flood the market with lolipoon.
Oh dear, I love it when someone ells tries to push there values on me. Especially the really "deep" moral once.
We shod really just start of some sort a group against these kind of people. Just openly ask them "did you not get some cock last week perhaps?"
I RAGE at this
I wonder what the BNP will think of this? O_o
It is reasons like these that make me vomit. I abhor censorship as it is a direct opposition to freedom. Freedom in the U.S., Japan, Britain, I don't care where but when someone begins fighting against freedom it's time we started fighting back. Even if a ban is decided upon I give it 4 months before the ban is lifted. Even then there is no possible way for all of the online documents/pictures etc, to be disposed of there are simply too many. The rape issue was a hit. Yes I grant that and the banning of loli does look bad. The greatest mistake they could make however is attempting to go one step further...which if the moral pigs succeed at they will do. If they attempt to ban hentai altogether then they will no doubt have a war on their hands and if it comes down to it they would probably lose.
I for one do not like this. I do not like it when things are censored in the news. I do not like it when what people say is censored or cut. I do not like banning of opinions whether good or bad. I do not like the idea of taking away rights that people have. Some moralists say that it is wrong I say that restricting people is wrong. In the end the people decide. Considering the majority of the people in the world are rather stupid and find things offensive, considering lawyers purposely weed out those that could make good statements, that actually have a chance at winning. The whole jury process is by no means fair. In the U.S. this jury is selected from a large group of about a hundred people and the jury's whittled down to 12-13 often objective jurors rather than picking people at random. The act of censorship is the beginning of a declaration of war. If things go too far I will fight for my rights. Will you?
Hail Hentai!
It's probably something like this type of censorship that brings on the events in the novel "Library Wars"
It's obvious: The only thing that will stop these morons is 9 millimeters of cold, hard lead.
Despite the fact I am not a fan of lolicon, I still somehow cant agree with this.
If this continues on, then PM Tarou Aso's claim that "Otaku tourism will save Japan" will not come true. Stuff like these will just turn-off otakus, if not hinder the "awakening" of potential ones.
If anything should be banned, or should be a social outcast, it's these CONSERVATIVES. They stick to old, worn-out ideals that are no longer beneficial to the modern society.
I guess i should say what makes a large number of european otaku's the japanophiles they are. Note that a lot of em have a wrong picture about the country, nevertheless, the image of japan that exists here is that
1. Japan is a country, where freedom of speech is on a level that is unthinkable here, even when it is politically incorrect. (like here you can't say anything negative about foreigners, because you get called a racist, and risk a lawsuit because racism(against people with darker skintone) is punishable by law here. meanwhile we see the signs of "japanese only" on photo's the internet).
2. Second is the content of the anime, we see all the things present in anime that would never make it on tv here, yet make it interesting when you are a bit older. It is a rarity that in the animations on tv here someone dies, or even bleeds. Also, intelligence is severely lacking in these animations.
3. It is an image that japan conducts its own affairs, and doesn't let it be pushed around by other countries or foreign pressure groups when it comes to it's affairs, there is a perception here of a "mind your own business-attitude", which is admired.
While i won't miss loli, its existance is proof an incredible freedom of speech and expression in japan, that is unthinkable in other countries. It would be a shame if that disappeared, and the japanese wake up, one day realizing what they, and with them the rest of the world, have lost.
I thought this thread was some Really Really bad joke......
Also: HOW DARE THEY TRY TO TAKE AWAY MY LOLIS!!!!!! [2]
Yuuki from Saki need takos to live in my case I need LOLIS to live ....
This is kinda pathetic :(
I'd like SOME Japanese politician to at least have some balls and oppose stupid censorship stints like this outright. Like have him draw a loli, hell even stick figure and write (9 years old) above the head and then a dick ramming the stick figure up the ass. If just to see how the stupid moralistic bitches react to it.
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/10/21/pro-lolicon-law-demanded-by-politician/
Nothing will come of this though, they're just getting ignored.
Actually, I think there might be a loophole in that.... draw a loli, and at one point in the story, have her say she's like 18 or 20.... kinda like in "Take on Me" by Takemura Sesshu. Or the opposite effect by one of the characters in Tenjou Tenge where the girl looks like she's 20 but she's actually 9.
The best defense is a good offense. So I suggest we all immediately begin a world-wide campaign to remove all recognition of human rights from females, of all ages, and to put them into a state of chattel slavery.
Do I really want all women and girls to be slaves? No. But since these bitches seem to need to have something to worry and whine about, let's GIVE them something to worry about.
Besides, if they really think that those who like loli anime are really just perverts lusting after real children, then once we all actually do have child slaves we won't have to have any loli anime, will we? So, ladies, just give up YOUR freedom, and we'll give in on the loli stuff. Deal?
Dude, calm down, I'm on your side; not all of us with tits and a vagina hate this stuff. I'm all for it.
And by 'all for it' I mean I'm pro-loli and such. I didn't exactly word that well.
I really hope you are just a troll. Srsly.
You seriously need help. Try having relationships with female friends.
So seriously, you guys think that a society with U15, U12, U10 erotica is healthy? This isn't about whether materials like these cause rape, etc., but whether the people living there will stand for it as a reflection of their society. And you know what, if you take a poll of Japanese people, i'm sure most of them will support this ban.
Btw, i enjoy a nice pictorial as much as the next person, but a society that sexualizes females in every age and position, even elementary schoolkids (and i know, i lived in Japan for close to ten years) just ain't right.
If most of them would support this ban, then lolicon can't be a reflection of their society. The Japanese should sue people who say that for libel.
Just because it isn't right doesn't mean it should be illegal. If a society wants to maintain even a veneer of democracy, then it is important to ensure that the minority's rights are protected even if it runs counter to the moral hand wringing of the majority.
Also, the crusade against pornography and "moral degradation" is often the first step to thought control and a totalitarianism. Just read the news about China's new law to "protect its children from pornography and unhealthy internet websites." 4 days after the anniversary of Tiananmen Square.
I mean, there's an even better way to clear up the reflection that Japan is the capital of fictional underage erotica (unproven claim): lets ban all speech claiming that Japan is the capital of fictional underage erotica. But, just like you have the rights to say what you want, I too have the rights to draw what I want.
"Just ain't right"
I can't take this phrase anymore. I JUST CAN'T FUCKING TAKE IT ANYMORE.
I'm sorry, i meant, "just isn't right" :)
In case you are serious with that reply: that is not what I meant.
I don't get it why do Americans and everyone else on the morality police wagon trying to do this year after year. It isn't real it's fantasy and it's hot, more moe, if not superior to real lil' girls. Doesn't that make them something different like a derivative, although based on the genuine article, they have been distorted and changed into no longer little girls but lolis. This may sound like double think but it isn't. Lolis shouldn't be taken seriously enough for a ban again because they are not real!
WHAT IS DRAWN IS REAL TO OTHER PEOPLE THEREFORE THIS CANNOT EXIST!
I really shouldn't do this but this troll is possibly one of the stupidest people in the history of trolls.
That's the same as saying your real to other people and that because you are real you cannot exist. I am offended by many religious scholars because they try to force religion down my throat (I already am a christian so it pisses me off a lot, and no it isn't the type of "religion" some catholic priests try to shove down your throat.). I am offended by some peoples very existence. Should those people (you) not exist either.
The idea that God hates this is actually your own interpretation. Never once in the bible does it say that it is wrong to lust after women that don't exist. The whole though who looks at a woman and lusts after her has already committed adultery in their heart...they have to be married for this stupid commandment to work. The bible also never once mentions 2D drawings. So go Fuck yourself without fapping material and without looking or even thinking of a guy or girl.
Pron and Hentai are not the root of all evil...the real root of evil is the thought that you moralist imbeciles have that makes it evil. Seriously you guys are a lot more immoral than people like us. For one you lie daily and honor thy neighbor one of the commandments you don't even follow. If you truly honored your neighbor you would stay out of his/her life. Now get lost Anon.
Also to the Anon that said death penalty to all that like this shit. You simply being on this website would be liable for the death penalty...enjoy your execution.
As mentioned above (Kanai) if this goes too far it is up to us to fight for our rights (its the rights not the hentai/loli that I'm fighting for). The plump loveable otaku nazi probably said it best:
“Gentlemen i like war, Gentlemen i love war”
“Gentlemen do you also want war?” - The Major (Hellsing).
Hail Hentai!
FUCK YOU! YOU WILL DIE! I DON'T CARE! HENTAI IS SHIT! ALL WHO WATCH ARE CURSED! GOD SEES ALL! THE HAND IS NOT FOR FAP BUT TO CREATE. PEOPLE WHO DO NOT FOLLOW THE COMMANDS....I MAKE IT MY OWN BUSINESS! YOU ARE ALL SICK AND THOSE WHO WATCH THIS SHOULD BE EUTHANIZED! SO GO FUCK YOURSELVES LITTLE SHITS! I WILL BAN THIS SHIT AND YOU CAN CRY YOUR SHIT ASSES OVER IT!
Hey, you religious freaks!
God allows hentai and lolicon to exist so he seems to like it. Get used to it.
But...
God also allows a damn pile of shit like war and rape and... to exist, so we should not compare humans with this fucking asshole.
Remember fellow Christians, what age did men and women in the bible get married at?
If god condoned marriage (and baby making) between minors (younger than 18) then, why wouldn't he now?
Why would god create women so that they could bear children from the age of 12???
my point exactly. For some reason people take the bible to mean lets interpret it a way that benefits us most. That's not how the bible was meant to be. Funny you never these moralists ever take God to court he is the one that created everything and he is the one responsible for loli and hentai. I can see that going over well. Moral Christians baffled when God does not appear for his court appearance as the prime witness against lolicon.
Hail Hentai!
This site has to be the biggest gathering of (future) child-molesters I've ever seen in my life. All those griping about freedom of speech don't seem to realize how fundamentally wrong it is to get off on children, young girls in this case, in sexual situations. There's a western term for it - pedophilia.
Matt, I understand what you mean, there are quite a few scary people lurking around on this site. However, most of us just have a fetish for cute anime girls, not real children. Even so how is it "fundamentally wrong" to get off to such situations if no-one gets hurt? It is, as I have been saying, a part of an arbitrary set of morals that has been taught to you by society. If studied objectively, it makes no logical sense that it should be wrong.
Real child porn is definitely evil, but how can something which does not harm anyone - and indeed makes a lot of people happy - be "fundamentally wrong?"
AngryAnonymous, cute anime girls by themselves are permitted under the proposed law. The law is against "child pornography," even in manga/anime form. It would be an extension of existing obscenity laws. There is nothing wrong with obscenity laws! Every society and culture has the right to exert communal values and define what it sees as "unprotected speech." (That is why Holocaust denial is against the law in much of Europe). You can't simply look at it from a utilitarian point of view ("who gets harmed?"). Ultimately, this is a matter for the Japanese people to decide themselves. Readers of this site won't be happy about it, but that's how it is.
I don't see any young girls in my loli hentai.Must be you who give an age to fictional characters.
Tyranny is the natural result of limiting images and H-manga. Someone, somewhere, will always find something that overactive people would call 'offensive' -- mimes for example. They scare the hell out of me. But should we ban them? No! We have nothing to fear from free hentai but pop-up advertising!
PROTECT LOLICON!!!!
I don't need to read the article, because I've already killed those who would dare try to ban lolis...
Or at least in my world D:
Japanese sterotype to me they think cute,small breast,and natural beauty sells in Japan just like sex and violence sells.
I love it how the Japs always give into censorship. Imagine someone trying to pass those censorship laws in the US.
Newsflash: this is already part of the law in the U.S. It's called the PROTECT Act. Didn't you read about U.S. v. Handley in this blog a few weeks ago? (Also see U.S. v. Whorley.)
Relevant section:
§ 1466A. Obscene visual representations of the sexual abuse of children
(a) In General.— Any person who, in a circumstance described in subsection (d), knowingly produces, distributes, receives, or possesses with intent to distribute, a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that—
(1)
(A) depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and
(B) is obscene; or
(2)
(A) depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and
(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value;
or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be subject to the penalties provided in section 2252A (b)(1), including the penalties provided for cases involving a prior conviction.
(b) Additional Offenses.— Any person who, in a circumstance described in subsection (d), knowingly possesses a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that—
(1)
(A) depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and
(B) is obscene; or
(2)
(A) depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and
(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value;
or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be subject to the penalties provided in section 2252A (b)(2), including the penalties provided for cases involving a prior conviction.
Have a nice day.
That was ruled unconstitutional. Handley was convicted for obscenity, something that existed for a while. He WASN"T charged with kiddy porn in this case, those charges were thrown out.
A plea bargain hasn't changed any laws. Loli is still legal, unless someone calls it obscene.
The Supreme Court ruled on this issue SEVERAL TIMES, and has always found bans on fictional images unconstitutional.
US VS Williams was related to claiming you have CP, even if you don't, it has nothng to do with fictional images. In fact, it actually RECONFIRMED that loli is legal:
"The Court stated that "an offer to provide or request to receive virtual child pornography is not prohibited by the statute. A crime is committed only when the speaker believes or intends the listener to believe that the subject of the proposed transaction depicts real children. It is simply not true that this means 'a protected category of expression [will] inevitably be suppressed,' post, at 13. Simulated child pornography will be as available as ever." Williams at 17."
IOW, lolicon is still protected here. It was a DIFFERENT part of the PROTECT act that was maintained. There are different parts.
It was still not CP, read up on the case,The PROTECT act part was thrown out by the judge early on. So it only became an obscenity case, don't be confused by the wording.
Man I hope the outdated obscenity laws get struck down soon...
The other case had REAL CP involved as well.
Shade543, what you quoted above doesn't apply here. U.S. vs. Williams was held to be unconstitutional because it was overly broad. The Protect Act narrowed the prohibition by applying obscene standard (community standard) to depicted images. This part was held to be constitutional. True, Part (2) was thrown out. But for Protect Act to be invalid, Part (1) would have to be thrown out too. It wasn't, and that was what Handley was convicted under.
I'm not sure what you mean by lolicon (i'm not part of the culture). If lolicon was what Handley had (graphical depictions of children sexually abused by adults and animals), then it was considered obscene.
You mean to say that kiddy porn is not obscene?
Dude, you should do your research before you post. Check out http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/12/23/comics-child-porn-and-the-law/ for a good summary. The Child Pornography Prevention Act in Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition was ruled unconstitutional because it was overly broad. In response, Congress passed the PROTECT Act. That was upheld as constitutional (United States v. William). Earlier this year, in U.S. v. Whorley "a federal appeals court upheld a 20-year prison term for a man convicted of receiving 'Japanese anime-style cartoons of children engaged in explicit sexual conduct with adults'" (newsarama.com).
Handley pled guilty to one count of “possessing obscene visual representations of the sexual abuse of children" (and also one count of mailing obscene material.)
I'm not sure what you mean by "loli" -- if they're not engaged in sex acts, then it's probably ok. But if you think a ban on fictional images is always unconstitutional, you've just plain misunderstood the law.
Loli is just 2D child porn, pedophilia. No kids hurt, but the lecherous pedophiles get their dose of vice. People who fap to pedophile/loli material tend to have lower IQ's. They seldomly stablish any kind of relationship with a real women their age. They live isolated, collecting figures, mangas, games and DVD's. Nothing good comes from them. It's a shame that the ban doesn't affect the pedophiles themselves, putting them in prison, forced labor for life, so they become useful to society at last.
"Japan's politicians succumb to international pressure"... Dudes! It's about time this disgusting shit gets banned!
I will agree with you that people who get off 2D lolicon are probably fucking idiots who contribute little to society.
But with all due respect, banning "this disgusting shit" will have about the same amount of effectiveness as the war on drugs (hint: none at all).
The amount of tax payer money spent on enforcing a ban on loli will far, FAR outweigh the value on the effectiveness on the outcome. As stupid as the people who fap to lolicon are, they will find other ways to share and distribute the material in ways that you or I never, never dreamed of. It will be an eternal game of cat and mouse, and perhaps making lolicon illegal will only increase its effective value even more in the underworld.
And putting these people in forced labor camps just for owning lolicon? Talk about inhumanity.
If you REALLY want to solve this problem of lolicon, you're barking up the wrong tree by trying to ban it. The problem is embedded deep in the culture. Yes, there will always be the sick fucks who cause problems for the people who otherwise harm nobody, but damn, just take a look at your own government and watch your local news.
Most people who look at lolicon just need help in their lives...give them friends, places to belong, take away their social stigma, maybe a chance to be involved with a living, breathing, adult version of the gender of which they admire, and take away their reason to stay isolated look at lolicon in the first place.
Feel Free to Respond to this but do so AFTER HAVE READ IT ALL.
You All Know, That When We "Lolis" Lose Acsses to Loli Pics and equal, we Will go for the real thing.
Think A bit People!
The Crime of Child Rape will Sky Rocket.
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Thogth this is just my own opinion on the subject,
im sure this will happen.
and japan will lose a LOT turists, Byers, Shoppers, wievers and most other industries connected to Hentai in general.
Dating sims will be just dating sims with a boring kiss instad of and sexy kiss scene and maby a build up for the Big thing....
and as said:
This is just my own opinion on the subject
yes! all of these ''goverments'', and little groups with their little reasons in the past years are trying once again to take over everything and put us under their thumb. this ichi the killer- i mean ishitara , is JUST doing this to corner the anime market for his perverted and SICK garbage. if(never!!) and when these shameful politicos take another of our freedoms away, i guarantee you - ishitaras loli pap crap will STAY on the shelves. just.. ''because''/ hes a politnazi/hes a homo basher/ hes clearly mentally disfigured- hey! if he doesnt want anyone to hate on him, then he shoudnt be acting like hes part of the master race, and he should know that the fury of the masses who outweigh his sick little agendas are a trillion times more powerful than any little rape scene he justifies just because its HIS manga. NO ONE else is allowed to sell manga and anime BUT HIM. because hes a douche. and if there was an award for it, i would nominate him for the biggest douche in the universe award.
all the ppl, otaku and non. we can all agree at least that were sick of these f$cking politicians rummaging around in our constitutions and doing whatever they want to them right? did you know in sanfrancisco their trying to make it illegal to sit down on the street sidewalk?? ON THE STREET SIDEWALK??? even if they take away lolicon, even if they take away this, and that, and anything else they want because somehow were all lower than these incestous ''elitists'' then ask your selves - what next are they going to try to take away.
your future is in your hands people.
check DPJ websit for email and address
The ban may only be in japan but it effects us as well as most anime we get here are English adaptions to there Japanese ones not to mention current anime half way through will be cut outright or have a dramatic change that will kill that anime
i posted above we need to fight im sending a letter and email to DPJ who support the dan as a protest i confirmed that i got 128 to do the same over about 18 websites that show manga, anime and game forms and thats what i confirmed i don't know many more probably did the same i don't know but 128 people is surly not enough to stop a ban UN-less people put in death threats or something but thats not recommended id rather stop it now while its easier when if passes it will be much harder i do agree it should be given a mature rating or something similar all the same to me i can still get it either way
Yeah, I think that in light of the fact that the Japanese population is now declining, the government actually wants to embolden the lives of Japanese men and get more of them to go out and FUCK , instead of shamefully holding their dicks in their hands...
"Eeeeeevery sperm is Saaaaacred, eeeeeevery sperm is goooood"
The shoes slipped on the icy slope circa... now.
Hmm...
While the art rape ban and then a loli ban are in theory something that most "normal" people should agree upon...
The problem is generalization. Yes, I think 'moralfags' have the right to speak up against certain titles.
BUT not all titles are created equal... ! These blind bans, if that's what it is; are only good at spreading fear and taking away freedom.
I don't care for rape or loli in art.. and yet I am DEFINITELY against the idea of a ban.
Reality check.
What are we discussing? Art. Some good, some bad... but artistic expression nonetheless.
Not real people, not real children... The horrible things in life DO exist, and denying that they do and trying to stop them is one thing...
But, to attempt to generally ban the concept (in this case an artistic depiction) is a step away from the individual and towards controlled society.
Unless the art in question is causing increased troubles to the REAL situations involving what the art depicts...
Unless there is evidence of this, this type of ban will only stomp out ALL of the art in question...
Good and bad. Causing much worse things than simply stopping "some disgusting games".
I play visual novels for compelling story and art, and several which contain eroge elements... i'll be DAMNED if I want someone else telling me what I should think and see.
Hurting people is wrong... but thought is the only world that is somewhat our own. A generalized ban without evidence as opposed to a specific ban with evidence is a ban to control thought...
Creativity and the occassional masterpiece will be sacrificed to the misinformed general public...
I wouldn't call graphical depictions of rape of children art.