Emboldened by their success in turning over the craven eroge industry, Japan’s own spineless politicians are once again obediently heeding international demands for a complete ban on artistic depictions of minors engaged in sexual activity.
The latest assault on the artistic freedoms guaranteed by the Japanese Constitution comes from the Komeito (“Clean Government Party”), which exclusively represents the interests of a Buddhist cult, the Sokka Gakkai, and consequently is a great fan of censorship and attempting to legislate public morality. UNICEF Japan honcho Agnes Chan herself is a member of the cult.
Responding to the usual outrageous international claims that Japan is causing child abuse and encouraging lolicon in other countries with its liberal laws on pornography, the Komeito obediently proclaimed that Japan should obey these demands:
“Being called ‘a child porn power’ is shameful and we must act to rectify this by an immediate revision of the law. The Diet must immediately consider such a revision.”
Domestic politicians often like to claim Japan “is out of step” or “lagging” compared to other countries when they wish to push through a policy, and in this case they have also been claiming it is “a national disgrace” to be defamed by feminists and their ilk.
They go on to make a lengthy screed against the evils of child pornography, as usual failing to register the fact that Japan is vastly more safe for children than any of the nations so concerned with banning the material.
Then they reveal the latest direction in their thought:
“Further, last month we conducted an investigation at Akihabara, looking at those games and similar depicting sexual violence which fall outside the scope of current laws, and how their sale might be restricted. We as a party are absolutely determined to pursue a revised law which lead to a complete elimination of child pornography.”
2ch wryly remarks that it is the Komeito who should be eliminated from Japanese politics.
In 2008, the laws against such pornography were stiffened, but the LDP dodged the messy issue of whether to ban 2D artistic depictions of sex involving minors by deferring judgement to a later date. The Komeito is clearly aiming to obtain immediate additional restrictions.
The Komeito is a minor party, but has long held disproportionate influence due to its willingness to ally with the ruling LDP. It remains to be seen whether the LDP will side with them in making further assaults on freedom of expression.
The recent self imposed ban on “rape” in adult games was imposed by an industry short-sightedly opting to secure the sales of the majority of companies by sacrificing the minority to appease the moralists.
The industry seems set to repeat this dismal calculus with loli and any other politically objectionable genres, and it is possible that manga, anime and who knows what else will fall prey to censors next, especially with politicians encouraged by the postiviely supine response seen so far.
As expected, the lack of any enthusiastic or organised opposition to creeping censorship has only emboldened those who would force their moralistic views onto society. It is a slippery slope and a long way down…
So is this what they call a slippery slope?
Yes. Though it may be more of a chasm.
More like the Laurentian Abyss.
so much for the akihabara rejuvenation plan...
no loli = no $$$ spent
enuf with loli shit, ban it who cares??
it isn't like u can masturbate with it, loli is no use!
as long as there are busty out there, banning loli is fine with me...
dude seriously I see you posting around here using the name "King of Hentai Gods" and you sure don't act like one, so either you're a successful troll or you're just fucking stupid
It's things like this that make me want to Go to Japan, become a politician, and become the one guy with balls on the side of freedom of expression.
We must not let these moral groups succeed in enforcing their religiously directed views onto Japan, America, or any other country.
Anyone in favor of free speech should defend their beliefs and not make exceptions for whiny religious organizations. They're fighting freedom in Europe, North America, Asia, and anywhere there is civilization. These groups will remain on the offensive as long as they have members.
If we let any of them succeed, in any category, then we will witness a domino effect. The freedoms we take for granted will collapse on top of each other like cheerleaders playing tug-of-war, but not in a hot way. Don't let them force their ideological state on the masses.
You'd have my vote.
Besides, it isn't just the loli, it just continues from there. They're taking away 'rape' games, loli, next is hentai and other ero manga/anime, they already started trying to censor anime eg Queens blade...
Where does it end!? Just ban pornography altogether while your at it, so we can just go out on the streets and rape real people instead, because that's what I'm going to do if it continues.
A fucking black hole of DESPAIR.
Hopeful this shit gets banned and all you loli-fags grow up, and maybe, just maybe, talk to an actual girl sometime in your sad lives
Kiss my ass, fucker.
If lolicon is banned some people will go for the real thing.
"If lolicon is banned some people will go for the real thing"
Evidence, since people on this site seem constantly to want to rely on the parallel defence that there's no evidence that this kind of pornography does any harm.
And the fact that Japan has a lower rate of sexual violence than other countries is not evidence, it's a convenient correlation of broad trends.
"The latest assault on the artistic freedoms guaranteed by the Japanese Constitution"
I would argue that this doesn't come under the scope of artistic freedom or freedom of expression because:
1 - what is being produced is not art, it is art in the thinnest sense, and lacks artistic merit, and ...
2 - when I say it isn't covered by freedom of expression, that isn't to say that it isn't in itself an expression, but that it shouldn't be covered even if it is (just like racism, sexism etc.).
The law seems to be on my side, and there's a reason for that, if you can grasp it.
While I agree with most of your comment, there's one particular thing here that irks me.
"what is being produced is not art, it is art in the thinnest sense, and lacks artistic merit"
You do realize how broad of a definition the term "art" has, don't you? Whether you particularly like it or not, a drawing of a loli is indeed art. And who decides what has "Artistic merit"? Whether or not a work of art has artistic merit is the opinion of the ones that view it. Don't state your own opinions as fact.
That aside, the larget issue is simply the censorship itself. Unless there is evidence supporting that the existance of loli art (or in the past case, art/games/whatever depicting rape) is actually harmful to society, then there's no reason for it to be banned. Laws/rules in a political setting should be governed by logic, not by morals. Morality changes from person to person, logic is absolute. Any rights taken away to please some group with a certain set of morals sets horrible precedent.
@omfg
Cool trolling you little shit.
-2/10. I did lol though.
Man I love summer.
@Last Anon
Perfect rebuttal couldn't have said it better myself.
>“If lolicon is banned some people will go for the real thing”
>Evidence, since people on this site seem constantly to want to rely on the parallel defence that there’s no evidence that this kind of pornography does any harm.
No please, show me some evidence; either supporting your opinion or not.
Nice try being EVANGELICAL and TELLING US LOL MY OPINION while showing nothing to back it up.
Man I LOVE summer.
No more fanservice themes within a few years. :)
At this rate no more manga and anime within a few years.
Madness, no doubt.
thus the downfall of japanese ecomomics, japan will fall into eternal debt untill they unban 2d raep and loli
"Madness, no doubt"
No, this is SPARTA!!!
But seriously though.. The only reason that this ban has even been suggested is because there are some fat american fuglies that don't have a chance in hell to get laid that whine that girls (real or not) younger than them get so much attention.
HOW DARE THEY TRY TO TAKE AWAY MY LOLIS!
>> thus the downfall of japanese ecomomics, japan will fall into eternal debt untill they unban 2d raep and loli
Does anyone actually know the numbers for how much money this specific subculture makes? in terms of percentage of GDP? This would be helpful. Something tells me it's no more than 0.3% (really optimistic guess). If this stuff was actually banned, nobody would care (other than the fans).
Japan Money "i think" largely comes from their tech industries. The portion of the money that comes from the anime industry would largely come from the actually anime merchandising. and not just the sell of loli itself. so yea it prolly would be a small GDP.
I've no statistics, but from my experience, about 30-50% of all H manga contain either raep or loli (depending on how you define raep & loli)
Michio:
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/11/12/otaku-markets-2007-over-4-billion/
I had a dream! It was dream about grim future without loli's...It is time to take torch and burn thous bastards for baning anthing!
this anon is ready for war as well
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all lolicon are created equal."
In the Year 2009, the Politicbot's and the Lolicon's do battle on the Planet called Japatron.
That's right Japatron.
No more fanservice themes within a few years. :(
(Smiley fix'd)
Bracing for legalizing sex, masturbation, and being nude ever for any reason.
Err, illegalizing, rather.
No man, don't you know?
Only sex in the missionary position with your wife/husband for the sole purpose of procreation shall be allowed. You should probably turn the light off as well, just to be safe.
Use of sexual urges outside of such a setup is obviously immoral and disgusting.
might as well ban normal sex, lol jk
You do know that some certain groups are even implying this as well.
1984 by George Orwell << read that book (or wiki it) and be very afraid!!
Then we have to do it the puritan way then.
Soon it'll be illegal to think about lolis.
BAN THE MOEFAGGOTRY PLEASE
This is getting out of hand. Anonymous needs to rally and start acting.
lol unlikely
Yep, it is.... frankly, I would tell these people where they could stick it and challenge these laws until the backs of the politicians broke MY WAY and they repealed these laws.
It's past time to realize that pedosexuality is a NORMAL sexuality, and that if you don't want pedosexuals to be doinking actual children, you have to have a way for them to sate their desires in a way that doesn't involve those children.
But of course, this is NOT about protecting children from forced or 'unwanted' sexual encounters.... this is about marginalizing a group of people, since homosexual bashing is no longer acceptable and is punishable by a LONG stretch in federal prison in any country outside of the Middle East, India and Pakistan.
This post is filled with knowledge. People need to come to terms with pedophiles. If you realise that there are people who are aroused by children and think of them as normal then that doesn't mean that they'll suddenly break into your homes and rape your four year olds. And just as the last bit says, this isn't about protecting children, it's about getting your way while using something everyone will agree to as a mask, in this case protecting children/women's rights.
Oh god, they haven't had enough already?
Of course they haven't. We already are at a dawn of loss of freedom of speech world wide, so you might as well get used to it. Soon, you won't even be allowed to think certain things because they will be reading your mind.
indeed, basically.. enjoy your freedom while you've got it.
Hooray 1984.
It will not happen. They're just bored in life and need an excuse to 'make a difference' in their pathetic lives.
They'll move on.
No, they wont.
Thats what I said about rapeplay...
fuck him.....
Ah now that the government has finally taken this seriously the chances of loli being banned are pretty high, I wonder what theyll go after next.
Then again its mostly just loli and rape what gets the most global attention so it might stop there,
or it could just get worse...
They'll just go after tentacle raep.
THEY DARE.
Yes, because tentacle raep tempts octopi and squid into raeping some hapless woman.
Obviously, their aim is to bad calamari and other seafood (can't get those frisky dolphins).
I prefer my 'tako' in my sushi menu rather than slithering in the women's "CHA-CHA".
Lol... I wonder. The otaku industry is pretty important, and IF they're in their right mind, they wouldn't try to cripple one of their industries in the middle of an economic recession and wait till the recession is over, which hopefully by then the fuglies who are jealous will have forgotten about this issue.
Main thing is, the Japanese government has to realise that each country has it's own culture and style, and it's not up to others to decide. Otaku-ism is pretty much a lifestyle or culture of its own. Plus, if the Japanese government are going to give in, it will only lead to a domino effect.
Rape -> Lolis -> No more Onii Chan~ -> *list unexhaustive*...
This will only serve to bring down the already slowing down otaku industry. If these industries close down -> loss of jobs -> GDP drops blah blah blah. If I was one of the politicians, I'd probably tell the fuglies that we do export Japanese quality made dildos for their satisfaction. I think it's about time Japan wakes up and take a firm stand against jealous fuglies. As if the Equality Now was not serious enough... Goodness, this is probably where the Selecao phone would come in handy. "Juiz, keep the otaku industry intact and kill all fuglies".
Lol... But seriously I think that many of us are actually ready to fight back if these fuglies push for too much. GROW A SPINE U DAMN POLITICIANS.
DO IT, Juiz.
So, not for ethical reasons just financial?
What if it were 3D loli?
Is this really just regarding Loli? I'm not clear on who Japan determines is a Minor, but generally isn't that anyone who isn't considered an Adult? So anyone under 20 in Japan? Even if the goal is to ban images of very young 2D children, this Easily stretches to include sexual images of older kids as well.
If I were Japanese I'd be Very worried about how this will play out. But the Japanese aren't known for being confrontational. :/
>>We as a party are absolutely determined to pursue a revised law which lead to a complete elimination of child pornography
You don't know how hard I rage every time someone uses the term "child pornography" in this context. Hey I'd love to see child pornography disappear too... oh wait, you're talking about 2D.
Massive fail.
Hey, there is no such thing as 'child pornography' in the first place. There isn't even such a thing as 'adult pornography'.
There is such a thing as pictures of adults with adults in sexual situations, and adults with children or children with children in sexual situations.
As to 'pornography'.... that was a term made up to make it sound like those things were 'bad' for society, when actually those things keep 99% of forcible rapes that otherwise would happen from happening!
I'm scared, D:
White Knight in an eroge shop in Akiba: "Hora, Kobayashi-san, you better come look at this..."
The other White Knight: *Looking at a copy of To Heart 2* "Good work. Keep searching for more of this disgusting child pornography. We'll add this one to the list of banned games."
not in the world of normal moral fags
not in their world.
='|
oh wow. the reply should be in the upper post.
:v
*adds To Heart 2 on to-play-list*
btw,.. your text reminds me of tenshi na konamaiki
Yeah I'm scared too. What do I do with the 7gb worth of loli on my PC?
turn yourself in and hopely they will not castrate you.
Give it to me.
pfft 7 gbs...i skim through 7 gbs of loli after every dinner. try 700 gbs.
Do not fear. I am here.
AKUMETSU THEM!!!! XD
AKU SOKU ZAN!!
Heh. This is how many in the past 6 months or so, then?
wow~ rape ban is a success, now they attack loli ! xD
what will be the next?
Everything until Japan grows a fucking spine.
"everything"
This. Moe will disappear.
not if Aso wants otaku culture to save japan, it won't
do yall understand that loli games and eroge is just only a small part of being a otaku, do you not forgot what made you an otaku in the 1st place. their is still Hentai minus the Loli + rape xd
Yeah, but it's not the same without lolis.
IT'S NOT THE SAME!!!
apparently eroge is not just being a small part its more of a quarter of whats being otaku <_< ohh yes do take note there are also eroge doujins out there, plus eroge is not the same without the cliches that includes lolis among other stuff. so yeah its not just about the merchandise the manga but also the fetish that clings to us all fulfilled by eroges.
given a chance they would get raid of hentai all together if they could. I think the only thing left would be stright sex between a married man and woman and nothing else, since it suports their mortal beliefs.
Once they get your lolis, they will be after your hentai next. Women never get satisfied. Give them an inch and they want a foot.
But will they ever find a way to ban super robot?
They will never do that until people realize that pedosexuality is a normal sexuality that is being bashed on unfairly because of some feminist WHINERS not wanting to take responsibility for having sexual relationships willingly with adults when they were children and not reporting adults for forcing them into sexual encounters IMMEDIATELY AFTER THEY HAPPEN if they were truly forced!
Frankly, I have NO sympathy for 'child sexual abuse' victims who are whining about that 20-40 years later.
The fact is that those things have NO effect on their lives that long after the fact, even if they were forcibly raped, unless society has brainwashed them into thinking that they were 'damaged' by those sexual encounters with adults and others.
That is the biggest load of shit I've ever read. You are either seriously devoid of a human conscience or just a sick, sick fucker. I know people who were molested/raped as children and it follows you your entire life because it's traumatic, not because some outside force told them it was wrong. Half the time they were too young to even know what was going on, let alone put a name to it, and still knew they were being violated. I wouldn't wish rape on anyone, but I think you're one of the few in this world that needs a wake up call.
Agnes Chan, beware rapist and lolicon~ muahahaha!!!
Em.. does yuri count as a sexual activity? >.<
yes it is immoral and must be banned.
How about futanari then?
Futanari is a woman trying to be a man and would be almost the same as yuri, so yes that to is what they would say
Non-no luv futanari girl possess two genitals *giggles* so this can't be ban because is out of jurisdiction.
“Being called ‘a child porn power’ is shameful and we must act to rectify this by an immediate revision of the law. The Diet must immediately consider such a revision.”
Just because the big fat bully in the playground calls me a scumbag, it doesn't mean I am. Same principle applies here.
scumbag...
Well, start applying that principle to child 'molesters' and pedosexuals in general and we might have something going here!
It's about time to realize that VERY few pedosexuals and even child 'molesters' are the scumbags that society makes them out to be.
Once the people around me got to know me and knew that I was a pedosexual..... their attitudes on pedosexuals started SEVERELY changing.
That is what has to keep on happening: people need to start getting to know pedosexuals, realize that most of them are NOT forcing children into sexual situations, that they are actually asking them if they can touch them and the children are giving their permission in almost ALL cases.
Sure, there are some exceptions to the rule like that bastard grandfather and his friends in the article on Sankaku recently...... but the fact is those things are mainly happening because pedosexuality has been driven underground, where the pedosexuals can go absolutely BAT-SHIT insane from lack of sexual gratification!
Same thing happened with homosexuals back in the day, that's how we got people like Ted Bundy!
nono it is not. Pedosexual equals pedophile. Also when you are asking these kids if you can touch them you sickfuck, are you offering them candy at the same time?. How about puppies? Or do you tell them your parents say it is ok? Me and my girlfriend are talking about having kids. Some asshole asks my kid at a young age if they can touch them and I hear about it, and I will make sure my kids know enough to tell me. I would find them and well, let's just say, what would happen to that person will be enough to give me nightmares.
what the fuck anon? did you seriously just say that? the kid gives you permission? well fuck me if that doesn't make everything right. they have no idea what's going on! You're an adult, you (should) know what's right and what's wrong and be able to draw the line, a child is a child for a reason. don't try to make yourself out as some innocent who deserves every right given.
Well, after all, MikeUSA was right!!!! ><
Ahhh please no, don't even suggest this, it would be like that diseased stay cat you fed out of pity picking the winning lottery numbers for your Nazi neighbor
Ahh fuck.
Can't somebody stand up to them and tell that there's no proof that any kind of loli would encourage child abuse?
Somebody NEEDS to stand up or everything good will be gone before we know it.
1: have daughter
2: get her into loli manga andline your walls with the stuff
3: have the government make sure she's a virgin
4: ????
5: profit
you'd be our hero
lol'd @ #3
No proof is good enough for them.
True. They have made up their minds that pedosexuals are 'base bastards' based on the bullshit put out by the media.
Fact is that those child rapes are mainly happening because: 1. The adults in question are drunk and horny or bat-shit insane at the time that they assault the children or 2. The 'child rape' was actually consensual sex with a child that the media is portraying as a child being forced into sex.
A. child. cannot. give. fucking. permission. How many times does this need to be said?
Ok if the child can't give permission that would mean the legal guardian can. I personally think that would cause a lot more problems.
The next thing you know they will push for the ban of eroge altogether and I will have be to become Simon Cowell of something else. That's just f**king great. If anyone wants to call a Jihad on this count me in.
- Simon Cowell of Eroge
Simon Philip Cowell from England cares about eroge? (0_o)
they have also been claiming it is “a national disgrace” to be defamed by feminists and their ilk.
Do we really must turn obnoxious politics into a holy war against a noble cause?
There is no room for generalizations. We should fight the thought we disagree with, not whole movements.
Feminism is not a noble cause anymore. In 80% of the world, they have gotten their 'equal rights'.... now, they are pushing for having MORE rights than boys and men do.... which I am damn well not going to allow them to get!
Fact is that women are JUST AS STRONG AS MEN, and can just as well protect themselves from a man the same weight/height as they are.
Sure, if a man is MUCH BIGGER, they are going to be beat down if the man wants to rape them... but that's usually the case if the woman is bigger than the man and wants to rape the man!
Ignorant dumbfuck. The people of Sankaku are desilusional.
Nope, not an 'ignorant dumbfuck'.... just someone who has seen how strong some women are compared to a man the same size as them, which is about the same strength when it comes down to it.
Now, there is a difference if the man or woman is a bodybuilder..... but not when they are normally thin and not muclebound hulks.
I guess we'll have to hang some ema with "Please God, don't let they ban the loli"
Or we shalt organize, create a mob and kill those who look down on our loli! Let's see how they ban loli if they are dead. It's really been a long time since a angry mob disposed of his politicians. Hopefully all those hikikomori won't ruin our precious mob by not attending at all...
No, because that would make us just as bad as these idiot anti-pedosexuals who are NOT about trying to protect children from forced sexual encounters but about forcing their sexual morality on everyone else.
I once believed that they were truly trying to protect children from forced sexual encounters with these laws... but as I saw what they were doing, I had to realize "They aren't trying to protect children.... they are trying to force their sexual morality on everyone else, and threatening to imprison them if they don't adhere to it like they once did to the homosexuals!"
Don't compare yourselfs to homosexuals and lesbians. When they have sex it is between to consenting adults. I have a few gay friends and they don't support pedophiles.
All I can really say at this point is barf. This all makes me nauseous and I've stated my POV endlessly. What the hell happened to the depraved Japan I grew up with?
By calling it depraved, you're just reinforcing their point of view.
See though, in my opinion, depraved is generally a good thing. Having no shame or qualms about what you enjoy is healthier to me than someone who denies it all, especially when it comes to fiction.
Nice point. But I would recommend using words considered less derrogatory and more neutral or positive.
Ethnic?
I see GURO stuff much more disgusting than loli rapes.(both 2D)
And you are now supporting this ban in this case?
I saw you saying something logical in the case of Eroge banning.
What have you done actually?
And what's wrong with fictional lolita content?
High five! That's the way to think!
"Having no shame or qualms about what you enjoy is healthier to me than someone who denies it all, especially when it comes to fiction...."
Indeed, those type of people should be thrown into the TV World, killed by their "Shadows" and have their corpses hung on electric poles or TV aerials..
i volunteer the laptost outside my house
Don't most people who really deprive themselves of what they want (some people don't have sex. At all) end up as nutjobs?
Anyway, having no shame about what you like is ok especially in the case of 2D loli because then no child got abused in the process.
Suggesting 'neutral or positive language'? o_0
I don't agree with being politically correct. That just takes the life out of words which have no context except for what the person saying them uses them for. Nothing more and nothing less.
In hindsight, I'd have to say I've agreed with much of what Atma's been saying nonstop since she came aboard bringing her female perspective to this place, along with her other anonymous members of the same gender. It's ever person's right to be as depraved as they like.... provided as long as no one LIVING (or deceased, as the case may be...) is harmed in the process.
Banning any of this stuff is patently ridiculous.... it's gonna encourage underground black markets for this stuff as well as the already rampant 3D Child Pornography makers out there. I don't like CP... I think it's detestable to abuse someone who is pretty much powerless to resist being used in such fashion. But lumping eroge and anime/manga depicting loli/shota/yuri/yoai/BDSM/rape with CP is like comparing Grand Theft Auto with actual crimes of similar nature isn't helping matters.
/broken record
The effects of the H-Bomb are starting to weaken...
nooooo ;_;
~ Oh ~ what ~ the ~ hell... O.o?
From what I can see if these bans do pass they'll be losing a lot of money since these products generate significant amounts of revenue. But hey that wouldn't make sense since politicians are money hungry so either they have underlying gains/benefits from this otherwise I don't see what they're trying to do. Unless, of course they actually believe this will help Japan in the long run which is retarded.
it it passes, it won't last
Graduating from 2D to 3D.
seconded
Would like to third, but then there's the 3D pig disgusting-factor. I'll just settle with making children engage in intimate activities.
I wonder what happened, they were one of the countries that went to war in WW2 and now they're spineless so much so that they're bowing to every little push made on them.
took a bloody atom bomb back then
just someone being a tit now =<
The Axis is not what used to be... Japan banning rape games and lolis, Germany banning violent games... >< MADNESS!! MADNESS!!!!
(MADUNESU, MADUNESU, SUPATA!!!... sorry, MikuMiku lapsus...)
Yes but isn't the Italian prime minister doing overtime to keep up the spirit by seeing an 18 year old? Who'd have thought Germany and Japan would need evil lessons from Italy?
Otaku were saving japan from the crisis.
loli shall be banned
Otaku won't be able to save japan anymore.
Dead End for Japan
Loli banned
Bad End
hahaha pedophiles :D
Damn They should have stayed as an isolated country. Who the fucking else care of what other countries think to your own country. Think of this, if lolis are to be banned which make up a majority in anime, then the bloodline of anime will surely die. Well I'm not pretty sure on how they define the term loli as the word itself is vague(there are some people who considers under 18 a loli, while some those of age 12 or 10 and below).
Perhaps the rise of more GAR themed anime?
Oh fuck, no. More GAR would lead to greater aggression among inspired male viewers. The increased testosterone levels would automatically lead to greater violence, a higher crime rate, and more rapes in Japan.
Solution: More Shoujo-Anime, like shugo chara.
Wait, that means more loli!
Oh noes! We're all doomed!
best salution more pokemon.... no wait that's kinda... um more dragonball... but uncensored it's kinda... more Shin-chan... no wait that's to aduilt... hmmm or dear does anyone have a sugestion?
You're retarded if you think this has to do only with other countries' views. Obviously, there are cultural differences. But the main factor is economic.
It's always about money. That's why they've (the visual industry) remained unchalleged for some time (thanks to its customers).
After the the economic side, it comes the political side. If we prove that kind of politics to be unpopular, they will step back (just like in Sweden). They're politicians.
See this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_party#National
"
Wow,haha
Those who have kept an eye on my comments should now see what I mean.
Nevertheless, I feel there is no meaning for me to continue my support on these OTAKU STUFF.
Because people are just "ashamed to support their hobbies publicly", like cowards, and always so optimistic.
When there are some fake news, people say they will not ban indeed.
When the fake news came true, people say they will be satisfied and stop.
Now you get more bans and this will never stop, and you people will just blame feminists and insult those politicians, BUT DO NOTHING BY YOURSELVES.
I'm tired and I am not going to argue anymore, for the sake that I have spent many words supporting Eroge and Loli stuff, but there were still many morons disagree with me, even facing the truth that everything is going to be banned.
You were the first to give up. Do you see anyone here saying "I gave up"? You just made the excuse (randomly out of your head) that no one is willing to fight and then gave up.
If you're devoted to the cause, create a political party in Canada, and try to convince otaku and normal people to join. Win political representation.
This is a serious matter.
But people's responses are still in a level consisting of insult, blame and imagination.
They joke that "we need a nuke to destroy these morons".
What is this?? People say this because they don't have actual hope to do anything.
"YES WE CAN" *thumbs up*
They joke that “we need a nuke to destroy these morons”.
Joke? Oh I assure you, if things progress more, it will not be a joke for long.
Hi, Melonpan. Fancy seeing you posting on Sankaku Complex, of all places. Don't you have your own website to run?
Huh? I highly doubt we're dealing with Melonpan here...
@CanadaMann, Instead of convincing people with your words, why not convince them with your actions? Or are you only willing to move forward if someone else takes the first step? I'm sure people would feel the sting of your complaints a lot more if you weren't just as cowardly as you purport everyone else to be.
Russy spineless jellyfish. The problem partly is - who's going to stand up and defend the side of freedom, and take a lot of crap while doing it?
"So you're a harcore believer in this kind of stuff are you? How dispicable"
In these times we need Gandhi or maybe Zero.
Nippon Banzai!
I'd be willing to, honestly. It's just highly unrealistic that we could band together and march on over and such due to things like money and travel and some people may try to kill us, though I'm still willing to try those odds.
OOOOpps
When you are afraid of death in a fight of belief, you are already defeated.
Otaku shall not deserve my support any more, for me realizing this fact.
I'm not afraid of it, but a lot would be. They'd join up until the physical fighting starts and then run and hide. I've been in enough fights that it doesn't even faze me anymore.
Do you both really have to dramatize and make all your comments sound heroic? That's a pretty arrogant thing to do, like you all were somehow among the "selected few" who are "right".
It's nothing like that in real politics (unless you're a neo-nazi and finds Antifa in the way). Anyone not willing to die for the cause -- but who is already protesting out there -- is already superior to both of you.
OOOOOps
There must be something wrong with my eyes.
For the fact that I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYONE PROTESTING FOR LOLIS AND EROGE.
I'm actually being honest with how I feel about stuff like this. It does bother me to a point of willing to martyr myself for such things. I don't see myself as superior or part of some grand scheme or lucky one, I just am more of a very hands-on, let's do this person.
If you guys want to do something...
(1) Live in Japan
(2) Walk around the next Comiket or just around Akiba
(3) Collect signatures for a petition
(4) Ask people to help you
Get like 100,000 names (you're going to need like 20 people doing this). If someone decides to help you, instruct them to ask others if they want to help collect signatures.
Once you have around perhaps 20k signatures, you could try contacting the media. They might be interested in covering this.
You have to word the petition in such a way so that you don't end up being labeled a pedophile, or a child molestor. In other words, don't use the world child or lolicon anywhere. You have to frame it in a way such as "freedom of artistic expression". And if you can, you need to imply that lolicon (i.e. lines on a piece of paper) does not fall under the definition of CP no matter what.
You have to be in Japan for this. Trying to garner support for this matter in another country isn't going to work.
There. Now stfu and quite acting so arrogant about this whole thing.
I saw some protests OUTSIDE Canada, for the Canadians killing seals.
So, why do you have to be IN JAPAN to protest for Loli and Eroge bans?
Isn't this just an excuse for you not acting anything, because you dont live in Japan?
Actually that statement is not completely correct Michio. The reason the thing us up foe debate is from outside not inside influences. It is a global group not local so protest wherever the hell you feel like against them (UNICEF and anyone baking them) not for Japan. When they stop trying to save drawings from being molested...
......?(scratching head)
1. Canada is stupid
2. Canadaman is stupid
3. Canada sucks?
and i'm waiting for a smartass comeback that would probably make me lol cause its so arrogant.
@ A certain Anon.
I disregarded support in foreign countries, because frankly you're not going to garner enough support that will compete with groups like Equality Now.
Not enough is better than nothing.
And I believe otaku WILL FAIL THIS FIGHT, because otaku will never really perform any action.
They will use the excuses like "I dont live in japan so i cannot get enough support", "I'm ashamed to publicly support lolita eromanga", "feminists will stop somehow", "we 'can use' a nuke to destroy Equality Now" or other stuff.
Otakus dont' even know it's BAD to use the "unhappy incidents happened in other countries" to make jokes.
Please continue your paper works, I shall see the true doom of otakus.
Speak on fellow Canuck!
What we need now is nuclear war to distract them politicians. That's how I became North Korean supporter over night. Go Kim Yang-sun (or whatever your name was) bomb some shit you crazy nutcase pedophile.
The 2D rests in your hands !
Sounds like a punchline for shounen anime. *shrugs*
lol wut
It be worth it! (o_O)b
GTFO.
But if Kim bombs Japan, then massive fail.
I don't think Japan should listen to anyone
who demands a ban from international countries.
What the fuck are they gonna do? Start a war
with Japan because of fictional characters?
I can already picture the countries flags in
my mind of those who want loli banned for good.
Fucking fags.
"..and in this case they have also been claiming it is “a national disgrace” to be defamed by feminists and their ilk"
It seems that the Japanese politicians' main problem isn't because of some offensive threats from foreign forces, but more to pride as a moralistic country..
The fact is that there is no such thing as morality outside of 4 things: do not kill unless someone is trying to kill you or someone else AT THAT VERY MOMENT; do not steal unless it is your last choice between you and death, and only steal stuff that is important to your current need (i.e. food, clothing, etc.); do not force someone to not to anything that they wish to do or do something that they do not wish to do, unless they are causing physical injury to someone else without their permission or causing property damage with the permission of the person who owns the property; and do not force people into sexual situations with threats of force or actual physical force (guess what? Most pedosexuals don't do that, so they don't fall into this rule's prohibition).
Outside of those 4 things, it's all you doing or not doing something that you personally do not like, and you should just BUTT OUT of other people's businesses.
This.
Fakken, "dont't like it - don't watch/whatever it."
"Japan is causing child abuse and encouraging lolicon in -other countries-" - I'm sowwy, but ain't it -their own- problem? After all, "Japan is vastly more safe for children than any of the nations so concerned with banning the material."
Their way of thinking is egoistic. Do whatever you want in -your- country to prevent it, but demanding something only for your own good from other parties? I'd say "fuck 'em."
I don't get it. how is it that Japan is souly responcable for the rise of Child abuse cases. back when I was a kid 20 some years ago I knew of Chald abuse (not a vic) but I knew nothing of ergo or Lolis, I'm also sure that a good majority of abusers didn't know or had accuess to that kind of stuff and I am sure that child abuse have been arround decades before the first loli hentai came out. So how does banning some that for the most part only a specailized group of poeple know about that even fewwer of the intended target of the ban (pedo)actully buy or own do to pretect kids, who would still be abuse with or without this ban. Please explain that!
The need for a scapegoat? It doesn't matter if it's the real cause or not, they just want to blame someone (the easiest way) to show that "they are taking action."
And yes, the majority of rapists, probably, have never heard of loli h mangas/eroges/whatnot. Great stuff, huh?
Why stop at banning lolis?
Why not just ban children altogether? If there are no children, then there would be no one to molest, problem solved!!
Yes!!! O__o I hate children anyway...
you sick bastards
We should just ban real children, not 2D.
Win +1
And I hate 3D kids too :P
...but if there's no children, it will be the extinction of human race,no?(tilts head) Problem not solve!!!
This is where legalizing cloning comes in.
Nah, we'll just put them in an incubation chamber and hook them up to the matrix until they are 18.
If the human race goes extinct, then we solved ALL of our problems for ever, not just this one this time. Maybe not the best way to solve them, but it is a solution. :D
And on the plus side we can come back and haunt those idiots who wanted this ban on the first place, if they happen to survive. I hope they believe in ghosts :P
But I have a better solution :
Ban adults instead. That way no adult can molest the children, ever. And children doing it to each other is...not a crime because they are minors. Problem solved.
If this happens, Anime will be doomed. 99.99% of anime contains loli characters. Also, 99.99% eroges contains loli characters as well (Schoolgirls under 18 ARE LOLIS). Well, good luck Japan in promoting anime as a source of economic recovery.
I don't think they'll ban eroge all together anytime soon though...they'd basically have to ban real porn aswell to have any basis and what they're doing.
they really like to waste their fucking time, those are only draws, damn it fucking assholes, they could be combating the real child pornography and helping the kids that really need to be helped instead
because their in capable of doing so. this is also why they try to ban voilent games like Mortal combat, Resident Evil, or Grand theaft Auto, saying that such games lead to voilent behavor. in a way their trying to make themselve look good to their suporters, more who never been in a abusive home. Haman behavor is a compalcted thing. One fact doesn't inffuance the way people act, this is also true with sex and sexuality. Ban loli is not going to stop pedos, in fact I wouldn't be surprise if more appears because they have nothing to distrace them from the real thing.
Exactly right. Personally, I am a pedosexual and I was BORN THAT WAY! I always found little girls and teenage girls (13-16) a HELL of a lot more attractive than adult women!
It's time to stop saying that something is 'wrong' that is an inborn sexuality just like heterosexuality or homosexuality, and start realizing that the bastards/feminists are not about 'protecting children'.... they are about forcing everyone else to adhere to their sexual morality and taking children's right to sexual expression away from them.
Children don't have a sexual expression, from the age of 12 was when i became interested in girls and my tastes matured as i got older. I even bagged ny share of cougars, including a hot, petite, vietnamese one. but before that age, my interests, Star Wars, G.I Joe and Transformers. My First encounter with anime was Robotech(Macross) loved the Mecha couldn't stand Lynn Minmay(annoying twit).
Never had any interest in sexual expression, all my friends discussions, were why transformers were way cooler then gobots and why superman could beat the hulk. That was the extent of our expression. Let me guess when your watching kids, you think they are "flirting with you"? That is not a kid expressing their sexulaity that is you experiencing a delusion
God what am I going to do without loli...seriously, that's pretty much all I fap to. Well I have a large collection built up at least. I hope some brave souls in Japan go out and RAPE CHILDREN when loli is banned and give their reason that they couldn't view 2d loli anymore so they just couldn't take it anymore and had to go rape a 3d loli.
No, sorry, I never wish that upon a child, but I hope they can do something. Maybe just threaten to go out and rape children. I love 2d loli but I also love children and I would never want something like that to happen to a child.
Who knows what might have happened to me if I hadn't found loli. I might have become a child molester myself!!
Amen to that brother...
There will be much blood shed for this unforgivable
blow to the anime/hentai community...
The hammer of death will fall upon those who take
away what is right to us, but wrong to them...
Politicians, UNICEF, feminist pigs...Bunch of
jealous fat, moral-fags fucks...
To everyone reading...You better stock up on every
loli anime/hentai/game you can find...
Who knows when they pull the plug...*sighs*
I f*cking hate this as much as you...
We should start petition against these bans...
As long as it is a REAL petition...
Not that online petitions where people use their nickanames and such.
grow a fucking spine -_-!
These kind of people deserve to recieve the Wrath of Heaven!
who does and for what?
nothing will happen
Money Solves
They're not going to actually do it. Japan makes a huge income out of loli comics, and games.
We have to fight for our "independence"!
Gather the PedoBears!
They are fucking stupid if they ban it. They were fucking stupid to ban the rape games in the first place. Nobody gets hurt by drawings. Jesus Christ. Somebody needs to smack some sense into them.
Sorry if someone has already suggested but, some sort of hard unbiased proof really needs to put this whole Loli=IRL paedophile too rest.
Last time I heard, paedophiles like REAL children not imaginary ones, not once have I ever heard of Lolicon being found at some paedophiles house, of course the number of paedophiles that are actually caught is probably very small.
I can obviously understand why a lot of people wouldn't want to stand up for Lolicon and be accused of being a paedophile. I would be extremely insulted, and could only think why on earth would I want to do or for this to happen to real children? Stephen Conroy enjoys accusing people of being pro-child porn.
And correct me if I'm wrong but people who need "help" are messed up to begin with, that's like saying, seeing someone get raped IRL/Video makes or convinces you to rape others, obviously this is complete crap.
Real CP is there because paedophiles make it and share it with one another, but the materials alone don't create a paedophile, the "problem" is there to begin with. So going on a CP Ban really wont solve anything, as much as I wish they weren't there, they will just create new ways to get them.
Maybe they should be encouraged to seek help instead of being treated like animals, if you did something wrong would years in jail encourage you to come out? I'm not defending paedophiles, because it sickens me with what they do, but they are still people, people who need help, but people none the less.
I guess I wont really be effected by a Loli ban as I prefer Yuri, but it would be sad to see the Loli-Yuri disappear for me. Again I like Yuri so it wont bother me that much. But people should still be able to create whatever they want providing real criminal acts. I don't consider a game about raping 3 girls too be encouraging real rape either.
I guess I just wanted to share my opinion. ^_^
A pedophile is not a child molestor.
Statistics prove that sex crimes in Japan are one of the lowest in the world. They don't bother to take notice of this.
It's just annoying. Don't fix it if it ain't broke.
Yes i've constantly seen people refer to this, and i've seen it myself, I'm surprisingly not shocked for some reason.
Rape however I wonder how much of it goes unreported? I could understand, I wouldn't want people to know I was raped. But I haven't had it happen to me personally so I can only imagine the pain the victim goes through.
But yes, things in japan were working fine before other people started sticking there nose in where it's not wanted.
@Michio That's true, but with being mentally unbalanced usually(not always) gets worse and there really isn't much in between pedophile and child molester. You're either one or the other, but Child Molester is definately worse.
"Studies of personality characteristics on average find low levels of aggression among pedophiles. Other than the attraction to minors itself, studies fail to find any abnormal or pathological characteristics. In particular, people attracted to minors have not been found to exhibit narcissism, psychosexual immaturity, low intelligence, aversion to adults, psychopathology, neurosis, or any personality disorder any more than people attracted to adults. The presence of these characteristics have been assumed, rather than being tested scientifically (Bradford et al., 1988; Langevin, 1983; Okami & Goldberg, 1992; Wilson & Cox, 1983)."
http://www.b4uact.org/facts.htm
That link is awesome Hayami, thanks.
I like some loli, 2D only, and hate the real thing. Even though I hate kids I would never want to see one hurt by some molester.
As for Hayami's comment, assumptions are how things like this get started so i agree 100%
after reading that artical I humbly ask that anyone who read my post to replace Pedo with child molesters, I was being lazy and lead by the mass media.
statistics on sex crimes are never accurate.......most will go unreported due to embarrassment and shame.........now i have no proof for my next claim, but knowing Japanese society.......i would say there is a much larger amount of unreported sex crimes than most countries.
other than that i agree with what you guys say
Like Equality Now's call to action, the Koumeitou's press release reads like it's written by someone who's failed out of high school. First it talks about Japan's current rule on Real CP, where possession is not automatically a felony (which to me is more reasonable than sending people to prison for 1 file they stumbled upon on the internets). But at the end it tacks on the crap about their recent "inspection" (read: witch hunt) through Akiba as if fictional lolicon stuff is the same as real CP.
This **** has got to stop. China has just revealed their plan to "stop the spread of pornography" by mandating the install of malware on every computer, and everyone's acting like they're offended. Some jackass want to ban fictional porn and lolicon and everybody rolls over. I feel like everybody's gone to the Matrix or something. Maybe these guys should go live in China and experience their moral paradise.
Heads will roll! Heads will FUCKING ROLL!!!
That's the spirit!!
Why... why... WHY???
I'm losing everything I care about!!! (>.<)
It's at times like this you must stand up and fight
It's DRAWING for god's sake.. Saying that loli arts encourage to rape real kids is the same to say that Rambo encourage people to kills. Get a life you politicians pricks stop thinking all the planet are so easily influenced by fiction.
humans are not so easily infulance by what they see read or hear. if that was true then mind control would be so easy...
Bad news for loli enthusiat, but please don't ban my futagirls :(
Traps and dickgirls are usually portrayed as underage. Too bad for you.
Oh nooooooeeeeees..........
No more gay for Bridget then? (in my case hetero but anyways)
What I don't really get it is how they (Japan's politicians) have to bow down to feminists and other foreign laws just because they think that they're loosing their pride as one of the most well known and advanced country in the whole world. Seriously, Japan, those type of pride belongs to those high crime rated, self-proclaimed moralist country, there's exactly no damn reason for you guys to kiss their arses and follow their steps.
Wide Hentai and Loli marketings with a safer RL environment are what Japan's actual pride supposed to be~
I bet their land will be taken over by foreign forces and will be force to call themselves "ELEVENS" in the near future!
That's why we need ONE-SEVEN-ZERO-SEVEN (1707)~!!
Oh god, I hate feminists... >_>
"I hate loli banning"
-Lolicon Francis
i wonder what they will do when the rape-statistics will increase by 400% after they ban all this stuff :)
They'll ban ALL pr0n, thinking that their last effort wasn't enough to cope the number of rape crimes.
What he said ^
What is wrong with loli?
Based on the opinions of many, a loli is defined as someone (mostly girls) who looks like a child / preteen or simply below legal age.
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The Age Factor
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Loli Anime or Manga (with sexual content) may disgust some and even when the age of the character is stated as 18, people still scoff. But wait! Why can’t an 18 year old look like a child? I am sure that there are many cases of people who look far too young for their age in the real world as well.
Take Konata’s argument for example. She stated in episode 22 of Lucky Star (12 minutes in) that if she was of legal age, but looked short. If a guy her age loved/liked her, would he be considered a lolicon? Therefore, we cannot really judge a loli by appearances. I am sure that in certain cases, this can be considered as discrimination.
On average, 18 year old Asians look like 12 – 13 year old Americans. Many American teens could in turn pass off as an adult in Singapore,Japan, etc… It is really sad that some people do not know the difference.
Some other factors to consider when judging loli:
- actual age
- maturity
- appearance
- sexual knowledge
What about those loli that are stated/depicted to be actual children. Well, read on.
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2D vs. 3D
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Some protest that such material will influence adults to become real-world pedophiles. Where is the proof? There has been an article (which I lost the link to) that says that Japanese sexual culture is much better than Western sexual culture as 2D is popular in Japan. It is highly unlikely that a fan of 2D lolicon would be converted into a 3D pedophile. There is a a huge difference between the two as many Anime/loli fans would point out.
Even if loli Manga and Anime does indeed depict actual children. They are just drawings. These drawings are harmless. Arresting someone for possessing loli manga without them doing or committing any wrong is just, well, unjustified.
You might as well arrest someone who looks suspicious just because he MIGHT commit a crime.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. But if something offends or disgusts you due to your religion or beliefs, just avoid it! You don’t have to rob others of their freedom, nor do you have to spread or convince others of your ideals. Each individual has their own unique fetish.
(Of course, real world CP is just plain wrong, sick and twisted.)
amen
I'm in my mid-twenties yet everybody tells me I look like I'm still in high school.
I think even 3D porn is pig disgusting. 2D all the way, on all forms.
>>You might as well arrest someone who looks suspicious just because he MIGHT commit a crime.
Already been done: http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/11/13/saying-good-morning-to-schoolgirls-a-crime/
First banning rape and now going after loli. I guess guro is perfectly OK compared to those two.
Of course, violence is always preferable than sex.
/sarcasm
But what if it is violence and loli sex? I can deal with it to keepz my loliz
Or violent lolis!!!
lolis with weapons ftw.
demonbane = Lolis as weapons
This is a fair point. They have all these bans for artwork encouraging possible sex crimes, but they never think about people being encouraged by guro to go and cut up some people and THEN commit sex crimes. I swear the japanese are insane.
Either way I'm keeping my hard-drive loliz!
Of course it is! Remember how you can get a 5 years sentence for homicide and rape while possessing Loli materials will cost you 10+ years of jail?
This seriously ruined my day. Censorship is more disgusting than even the most vile furry-guro-loli rape porn.
I'll go to jail for what I believe if I have to. I have the right to express myself in whatever way I choose provided that no-one is being hurt by it (and no, anti-loli brigade, your arbitrary values and sense of self-righteousness don't count).
I'd rather be dead than another faceless, spineless sheep. I swear, I've had enough of this world and it's boring, inane and fucking clueless inhabitants!
We need a fucking revolution soon, or I'm going to snap.
HEADS WILL FUCKING ROLL!!!
What this guy said! Seconded!
agreed angryanon your not the only anon who is ready to get his hands dirty for what he/or trap believes in
Also, I propose this to be the angry-lolicon-fan battle hymn:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaN3YEbYbng
Those lyrics fit the situation pretty spot on!
this is bad news
Come on! Where are the Yakuza when you need them?
If something happens to lolicon I will die no really
Japan R belong 2 us. Good job.
ALL YOUR LOLI ARE BELONG TO US.
Moralism is known to be an effective way to divert people's attention from more pressing matters, like the economic crisis.
It was largely used during the middle ages, and it seems they will resort to it once again.
Some decades or centuries from now, provided humans are still around, people will laugh on how stupid we were for accepting such political decisions, historians telling how the "second dark ages" began in early 21st century.
As for their arguments, they are only repeating what was said before which is still completely wrong and far from reality.
Japan is among the countries with least child abuse cases and thus child porn, since drawings CANNOT be considered "children".
A depiction of something is that and only that. A DEPICTION.
And for that matter, a depiction of murder can't be considered a crime, a depiction of rape can't lead the artist to jail, a depiction of a bacon is tasteless and will never clog one's artery.
As for the "loli hentai will make you a pedo" idiocy, here's something Penn from Penn & Teller has to say:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ACSsUhFk7I
The same way a game developer won't be arrested because he made a game in which you can kill a man, and the game itself won't be banned because it allows a player to kill a virtual enemy, hentai manga, be it loli, furries or tentacles, CANNOT EVER BE TREATED AS SOMETHING REAL.
If a man abuses a child, I'm all for getting him arrested, and I really hope he gets assraped in jail.
But you can't make people pay for crimes they didn't do, as it's not justice, but prejudice.
The people around the world being arrested for possession of Hentai are victims of a moralistic dictatorship enforced by religious people that uses their power and influence to tread on minorities.
Lolicons are not allowed to like 2D lolis NOT because this is harming someone, breaking a law, or causing danger to society... the real reason behind that is because some moralists feel disgusted by this or that type of pornography, so they enforce their own likes and dislikes on others by force.
"If you like what I don't like, I'll put you to jail and hunt everyone who doesn't think like me". Kinda like Hitler.
And the fact that things like that need to be explained over and over again, is proof that some people never learn, keeps ignoring a history of censorship and dictatorships, completely ignoring freedom of choice and freedom of speech, making true what one wise man once said: "Only human stupidity is infinite".
Is Penn ever wrong?
I'd elect him supreme overlord of the Earth if I could.
Hmm, I'm seeing definite parallels between the Japanese Komeito and the American Republican Party.
to all Parent who think your child is cute enough to be stalk by said "Pedophiles" who watch 2D loli..
Really ..your kid is NOT THAT CUTE at all.... I know he/she is your pride and soul..but to other..it's just another faceless passerby.
This.
I get off to cute manga girls, hence I am a loli fan.
This does not translate into me being a pedo, and the belief that the two HAVE to be connected is very dangerous.
I thought I was a pedo for liking lolicon (because of stupid ideas being implanted into me by loli-opponents), but then I saw a page from one of those japanese junior idol magaziness featuring prepubescent girls. I was revolted but what I saw. There was no arousal, no "ideas" got into my head, there was just pure disgust. Branding me as someone who is turned on by that fills me with rage and contempt.
I like cute little manga girls, the key world here being "manga". Removing that key word is something many people who are anti lolicon like to do.
"Dude, you are turned on by the idea of children in sexual situations, you are a sick pedo."
FYI, no, I am not, do not group me with the people who consume that disgusting junior idol shit, or even worse, brand me as a fucking danger to society.
I am turned on by cute manga girls in sexual situations. MANGA girls. That is as deep as the rabbit hole goes.
There is a lot of difference between the way they look and act to the way real children look and act. Not to mention that no-one is being hurt in the process of creating lolicon.
It takes a whole different animal to get off to crimes comitted against fictional characters (who, in the case of lolicon, don't even fucking look like their real-world counterparts), than to get off to heinous crimes comitted against real people.
If anyone dares to come up to me and say I am in the latter category for enjoying lolicon, I'll punch that fuckers lights out three times before he hits the floor.
Or better yet, spend more attention to your kid rather than leave them alone for the molesters to get to them. Take care of them yourselves instead of letting other people do it for you.
Unfortunately, the major percentage of people who commit child molestation know the victim from being a family relative or friend of the family.
Also, a lot of times is the parent the one doing the molesting. People cannot even begin to imagine that a parent would do something like raping to their own child, so most of the time they're more scared of strangers when danger could be right in front of them.
Why don't the otaku form a political party? I mean, yes, they are otaku but if they want their loli, they need to act. I would but I don't live there. Japan needs a revolution with free speech as europe is currently having with copyright.
We will prevail, we must be strong and do something about it
Loli power never die
Doncha dare ban our lolis. If you really do that I think that somebody will "ban" you.
Leave my fetishes alone! They didn't do anything to you!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.......NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
They will fulfill their objectives...
Let's just watch what will be the result.
*facedesk*
seeing idiot Aso's horrendus popularity poll results we can assume that the DPJ will win this years election. And since they will go into a coalition with the social democrats the Komeito won't stay in power. They could try to force it through before this term ends though.
Must kill all 3d children, so no need to protect them anymore.
the beginning of the end...
i thought i knew what freedom meant, now i'm sure of it...
If it depends on me, people will be killed for this foolish act.
Feminazis again?
More Likely than you think....
We need some means to contact the japanese voters and lend our support to them in writing the politicians about how they feel. Petitions go along way but when voters say they'll look for another candidate that wont cave to international pressure and support the removal of freedom of expression, these career politicians will have no choice but to consider otherwise very seriously.
This is like if Jack Thompson was to get his way and Rockstar, EA and the such had to remove and stop making violent games. Luckily Americans haven't let go of the pursuit of freedom of expression.
To our Japanese compatriots, do not let others tell you what is acceptable and not acceptable artistic expression in your society. You decide that as a society.
I approve.
+5
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Well then. Let's see if this new law will "improve" in the next 10 years or so compare to now. I bet some extremists and religious believers will be so happy about this while hiding under the shadows.
Now we will never have anime or manga like this ever again. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo not the Lolis
“Being called ‘a child porn power’ is shameful and we must act to rectify this by an immediate revision of the law. The Diet must immediately consider such a revision.”
If my country was ever called ‘a child porn power’ I would be proud.
the world is slowly but surely moving into the world that the demolition man woke up in
Soon they're gonna ban Super Mario aswell, because of his inhumane treatment of turtles and it may convince the kids to go crawl in the drainage pipes.
why must moralfags ruin everything?
Because the only fun they have is ruining everyone else's.
There are right . Loli is like Pedophilia .
So what, make it illegal. Not like people are going to stop making it, just will be a bit harder to get / bit more expensive.
rape play was.. what.. a small percentage of a small field of games and manga... so no loss there to the companies, but when there bottom line is threatened by these hacks...... now loli... they wouldn't dare since it's a BIG chunk so they probably hava battle from the companies on that... shouldn't have gave up on the rape play, or made it more difficult to ban it.. show weakness and the sharks will swarm.... something i wish obama-rama would learn...>_<
Oh dear, I love it when someone ells tries to push there values on me. Especially the really "deep" moral once.
We shod really just start of some sort a group against these kind of people. Just openly ask them "did you not get some cock last week perhaps?"
Hahaha... no matter what they do to the japanese artists, there already thousands upon thousands of other people ready to flood the market with lolipoon.
Wrong! Banning is wrong. Restricting is okay, but banning is just wrong.
Leave the flat chests alone!!!! JUST LEAVE THEM ALONE!!!!
And how fucking dare ANYONE out there make fun of flat chested women. After all they've been through. They're HUMAN!!
Leave flat chests and lolicons alone RIGHT NOW.
You no ban loli. Loli bans you!
If eroges are banned so should the politicians.
Time to go on the chan and save every image of loli before this ban goes through...
'Cause it probably will, considering I dun think anyone is really gonna make themselves get labelled as pedos in the media.
this is madness!
This is kinda pathetic :(
I'd like SOME Japanese politician to at least have some balls and oppose stupid censorship stints like this outright. Like have him draw a loli, hell even stick figure and write (9 years old) above the head and then a dick ramming the stick figure up the ass. If just to see how the stupid moralistic bitches react to it.
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/10/21/pro-lolicon-law-demanded-by-politician/
Nothing will come of this though, they're just getting ignored.
Actually, I think there might be a loophole in that.... draw a loli, and at one point in the story, have her say she's like 18 or 20.... kinda like in "Take on Me" by Takemura Sesshu. Or the opposite effect by one of the characters in Tenjou Tenge where the girl looks like she's 20 but she's actually 9.
I thought this thread was some Really Really bad joke......
Also: HOW DARE THEY TRY TO TAKE AWAY MY LOLIS!!!!!! [2]
Yuuki from Saki need takos to live in my case I need LOLIS to live ....
The best defense is a good offense. So I suggest we all immediately begin a world-wide campaign to remove all recognition of human rights from females, of all ages, and to put them into a state of chattel slavery.
Do I really want all women and girls to be slaves? No. But since these bitches seem to need to have something to worry and whine about, let's GIVE them something to worry about.
Besides, if they really think that those who like loli anime are really just perverts lusting after real children, then once we all actually do have child slaves we won't have to have any loli anime, will we? So, ladies, just give up YOUR freedom, and we'll give in on the loli stuff. Deal?
You seriously need help. Try having relationships with female friends.
I really hope you are just a troll. Srsly.
Dude, calm down, I'm on your side; not all of us with tits and a vagina hate this stuff. I'm all for it.
And by 'all for it' I mean I'm pro-loli and such. I didn't exactly word that well.
So seriously, you guys think that a society with U15, U12, U10 erotica is healthy? This isn't about whether materials like these cause rape, etc., but whether the people living there will stand for it as a reflection of their society. And you know what, if you take a poll of Japanese people, i'm sure most of them will support this ban.
Btw, i enjoy a nice pictorial as much as the next person, but a society that sexualizes females in every age and position, even elementary schoolkids (and i know, i lived in Japan for close to ten years) just ain't right.
"Just ain't right"
I can't take this phrase anymore. I JUST CAN'T FUCKING TAKE IT ANYMORE.
I'm sorry, i meant, "just isn't right" :)
In case you are serious with that reply: that is not what I meant.
Just because it isn't right doesn't mean it should be illegal. If a society wants to maintain even a veneer of democracy, then it is important to ensure that the minority's rights are protected even if it runs counter to the moral hand wringing of the majority.
Also, the crusade against pornography and "moral degradation" is often the first step to thought control and a totalitarianism. Just read the news about China's new law to "protect its children from pornography and unhealthy internet websites." 4 days after the anniversary of Tiananmen Square.
I mean, there's an even better way to clear up the reflection that Japan is the capital of fictional underage erotica (unproven claim): lets ban all speech claiming that Japan is the capital of fictional underage erotica. But, just like you have the rights to say what you want, I too have the rights to draw what I want.
If most of them would support this ban, then lolicon can't be a reflection of their society. The Japanese should sue people who say that for libel.
I wonder what the BNP will think of this? O_o
I RAGE at this
It is reasons like these that make me vomit. I abhor censorship as it is a direct opposition to freedom. Freedom in the U.S., Japan, Britain, I don't care where but when someone begins fighting against freedom it's time we started fighting back. Even if a ban is decided upon I give it 4 months before the ban is lifted. Even then there is no possible way for all of the online documents/pictures etc, to be disposed of there are simply too many. The rape issue was a hit. Yes I grant that and the banning of loli does look bad. The greatest mistake they could make however is attempting to go one step further...which if the moral pigs succeed at they will do. If they attempt to ban hentai altogether then they will no doubt have a war on their hands and if it comes down to it they would probably lose.
I for one do not like this. I do not like it when things are censored in the news. I do not like it when what people say is censored or cut. I do not like banning of opinions whether good or bad. I do not like the idea of taking away rights that people have. Some moralists say that it is wrong I say that restricting people is wrong. In the end the people decide. Considering the majority of the people in the world are rather stupid and find things offensive, considering lawyers purposely weed out those that could make good statements, that actually have a chance at winning. The whole jury process is by no means fair. In the U.S. this jury is selected from a large group of about a hundred people and the jury's whittled down to 12-13 often objective jurors rather than picking people at random. The act of censorship is the beginning of a declaration of war. If things go too far I will fight for my rights. Will you?
Hail Hentai!
It's probably something like this type of censorship that brings on the events in the novel "Library Wars"
It's obvious: The only thing that will stop these morons is 9 millimeters of cold, hard lead.
I guess i should say what makes a large number of european otaku's the japanophiles they are. Note that a lot of em have a wrong picture about the country, nevertheless, the image of japan that exists here is that
1. Japan is a country, where freedom of speech is on a level that is unthinkable here, even when it is politically incorrect. (like here you can't say anything negative about foreigners, because you get called a racist, and risk a lawsuit because racism(against people with darker skintone) is punishable by law here. meanwhile we see the signs of "japanese only" on photo's the internet).
2. Second is the content of the anime, we see all the things present in anime that would never make it on tv here, yet make it interesting when you are a bit older. It is a rarity that in the animations on tv here someone dies, or even bleeds. Also, intelligence is severely lacking in these animations.
3. It is an image that japan conducts its own affairs, and doesn't let it be pushed around by other countries or foreign pressure groups when it comes to it's affairs, there is a perception here of a "mind your own business-attitude", which is admired.
While i won't miss loli, its existance is proof an incredible freedom of speech and expression in japan, that is unthinkable in other countries. It would be a shame if that disappeared, and the japanese wake up, one day realizing what they, and with them the rest of the world, have lost.
If this continues on, then PM Tarou Aso's claim that "Otaku tourism will save Japan" will not come true. Stuff like these will just turn-off otakus, if not hinder the "awakening" of potential ones.
If anything should be banned, or should be a social outcast, it's these CONSERVATIVES. They stick to old, worn-out ideals that are no longer beneficial to the modern society.
Despite the fact I am not a fan of lolicon, I still somehow cant agree with this.
In the future the anime will be like the catoons of USA:
-No fanservice
-No gore
-No more violence
-No lolis
-without psychological depth
-No more offensive words
-No more words like death, sex, etc
-No more Moe
...and the topics of the mangas will be like Doraemon.
-without the things that I wrote above
-kid friendly
apparently there is nobody in Japan who has the balls to to oppose them.
well... game over.
continue?
There are too many mediocre anime shows using loli fanservice as a substitute for good stories and writing. Banning loli and reducing fanservice could be good for anime, if it leads to more shows like GitS SAC and Texhnolyze instead of Strike Witches.
Didn't you read the entire list or something?
-No gore
-No more violence
-without psychological depth
-No more offensive words
-No more words like death, sex, etc
Now tell me if GitS and Texhnolyze can be successfully done without any of this.
I have yet to see a single proof for the claim that the moe/fanservice to serious/deep ratio has changed in any significant way over the past decade.
There has been a change. Japanese television went through a censorship craze in the second half of the '90s (even Cowboy Bebop got censored in it's original airing). They tried to clamp down on what was shown during daytime time-slots, and spawned late-night time-slots for more mature programming. It was a split between mainstream and otaku-centric anime that never really existed before. And the new freedom of late-night time-slots spawned more made-for-fanservice series, starting with Mahoromatic and Hand Maid May, that previously would have only been made into one-episode OAVs.
Animation Age Ghetto.
Japan is Lolicon Central in the world. Good luck...
Don't worry guys. With Japan, the otakus won't even vote for any of those moralfags who ban loli and hentai. What those Moralfag politicians are doing is digging their own graves.
Too bad an overwhelming number of Japanese don't care to vote anyway.
Noo u can never stop LOLI cause LOLI owns u
Again they are trying. I so dislike the UNICEF.
Those guys should just make their own country and leave other countries alone.
in all honesty i despise the lolicon sub-genre of anime and manga. I do not think we have to worry too much about this ban being the end of anime or manga. I prefer real and adult women. The fact is lolicon sexualizes young girls. I have not seen anything that makes me think different. However people have been abusing kids long before lolicon and rape simulation games. Anybody has the right as a consumer not to buy products that they find morally or personally offensive. Might as well ban the catholic church because of a few pedophile priests, that offends me too.(sorry recovering catholic) My personal opinion is if your so much of a loser you have to get off by playing a game that forces a 2d animated (loli)character to have sex against her will that is an issue that has to be settled between you and a shrink. Leaves more hot, adult, japanese women for me(32 days and counting till my trip to Japan)
Everyone to his/her own poison there. No need to step on other people's toes.
If you can't get there on time before moralfags target bushy AV stars, get them banned and leaves you unable to get laid, left alone jacking off on their videos, well GG.
Hater, I have the ability to talk to women
Yeah, and having an alternative taste in pornography means you are too much of a nerd to even speak to women, amirite?
Seriously, if you search through the porn of most "normal" men, chances are you are going to find that they have at least one fetish that is considered weird.
THIS PETITION!
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/lolicon-protection-act-of-2008
SIGN IT! NOOOW!!
lets join hand and ban real life pornstar so women won't gain money and loli won't get ban
Chris is not pleased. Why do they try to take away everything that I love? We westerners have a duty. To unite all of the world's good loli artists and flood the internet with it in retaliation. I shall not be censored.
Our era is about to end. WHERE IS OUR GOD NOW?
How should i?
From a small almost unknown country effect japan, america and the world.
And i clearly call myself hentai god sometimes.
Don't ban hentai,fictional loli,fictional rape.
Moralfags ftl
Rape games lead to rape IRL!
Loli leads to child exploitation!
Rap encourages criminal activity and drug use!
Sexual material in the media is corrupting our children!
Violent video games lead to violent behavior!
I'm a vegetarian. I find eating meat extremely disgusting, after all it is the dead body of an animal. Come on, only zombies are that low to eat something dead...even a vampire would go for a living person instead...
So ban meat first, then hmm, how about violent games, then violent movies, then guns, then knives, then anything else that can be used to kill a person (including a glass of water...heck you can poison it, or even worse break the glass and slice up someone... glasses of water are versatile killing tools), and after all that, you can start banning real sex, after that comes 3D porn, and then you can consider 2D when you are done with all of then above...oh wait, you got locked into jail before that because someone thought you are the one who looks suspicious for trying to drink water from a glass...too bad, you can't ban anything anymore. :P
If they ban or punish 2D artistic depictions of sex involving minors...
Then they need to ban violent images which can be "equally" as damaging to society. On the flip side reward people who make depictions of super hero saving people.
No...that wouldn't be logically because they are just ARTISTIC DEPICTIONS, not real breathing people placed in those situation or harmed. Fiction.