In responses to the recent media hysteria over “rape simulator” adult games, the main industry and ratings body in Japan has opted to completely ban the making and sale of titles featuring rape and sexual violence.
Estimates are that games affected could be “10-20%” of the market, meaning 20% of eroge could end up being banned, with themes such as BDSM and similar becoming completely off bounds.
The situation is not however as simple as it appears at first glance to the mass media, though perhaps this is intended.
The organisation issuing the ban, the “Ethics Organization of Computer Software” (EOCS, or Sofurin in Japanese), is the eroge industry’s largest classification body, with some 200 member companies, and is responsible for the ratings used on visual novels.
The character of the EOCS is demonstrated by the fact that it banned loli eroge a decade ago, which led to a complex and typically Japanese situation in which loli games continued to be released, but with references to ages and school years removed, similar to how brothels are technically illegal in Japan but in fact operate openly. A similar situation may be in the making for “rape” eroge.
However, EOCS membership is “voluntary” and it is a “self regulating” body rather than one with any particular legal powers beyond expelling members and refusing classification; there is a competing ratings body, the “Contents Soft Association“, which is much less stringent in its standards, largely allowing loli games, and it has no regulations against violence. Its membership will likely be getting a boost unless it follows suit.
This is not to say that the organisations are toothless and companies are free to do as they will; ratings are generally needed for sale, and the organisations themselves have connections to the relevant government ministries, effectively having government charters, which can of course be revoked if they displease the ministry.
Thus, they are in the power of the government to an uncertain extent, and their main purpose is to prevent disturbances to sales rather than to defend the free speech of members.
The move likely comes in response to recent calls by both feminist politicians (in response to criticism an American feminist group), both opposition (DPJ) and government (LDP), to ban the games lest they turn Japan into a nation of wicked child rapists like the USA or Canada, which incidentally strongly pursue laws against drawn and game pornography, whilst promoting the freedom of publishers to make games involving extreme violence.
Since the measures are likely easily circumventable, it appears the response may simply be a sop to politicians to show the industry as being responsible and is self-regulating, thus obviating the need for legislation. The worst case may involve publishing digitally or along the same lines as the entirely unregulated doujin soft market.
However, the spineless response so typical of such companies in Japan will do little to actually tackle the allegations levelled against it, and only serves to highlight how temptingly weak a target the industry makes to pro-censorship groups.
If anything, failing to object to demands for censorship serves as a tacit acknowledgement that there is something reprehensible about the games.
For an industry entirely dependent on freedom of expression to establish the precedent that it will roll over in the face of political demands (ones originating from overseas at that), and admit that its products are somehow tied to criminal behaviour, seems a remarkably risky thing to do; it may be in a difficult position to resist from should further demands for censorship be made of it…
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happy-fvcking no.i hate it but i can't help to agree with the decision
Apparently none of this is true.
It is all true apart from the "banned" in fact being "considering banning"; expect confirmation soon.
God damnit who let them out of the kitchen?
But on a more serious note; although the games mentioned don't suit my tastes the core issue here is that the radicals are destroying a whole industry one bit at a time.
I can foresee normal porn being banned and then fapping in your own home illegal too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ACSsUhFk7I
Hahaha! You know what the #1 sexual fantasy women have is? Poll after poll has shown that it's none other than...*drumroll*... RAPE!
I say we ban all romance novels involved with women having sex without consent. Yes, there are a significant number of them out there.
Show me proof that the #1 sexual fantasy of women is rape.
I -SEVEERELY- doubt that women would think something like rape was sexy, unless they're stupid whores.
SilverTide has a point. All you need as girl to have rape fantasies is a healthy interest in BDSM (that does not imply all girls who are into BDSM have them). Though the magazines and websites that do such polls are by no means representative of the global female population, as many women who meet the above criterion frequent them, and others not so much.
hope this doesn't awaken all those sleeping tentacle monsters in japan...
But seriously, I hope this ends up more of a publicity stunt rather than real censorship. Sexual violence being banned?
*looks at games with sexual violence*
yume miru *poof*
tsukihime *poof*
X-Change games *poof*
Utawarerumono *poof* (we will save you from raep Hakuoro! By banning you!)
Raidy *poof*
Critical Point *poof*
Why not go to extremes?
Ever17 *poof* (This way even though it didn't CG anything, Takashi will be safe *BAN*)
I mean if it was just games focused on mindless rape, like Rapelay... OK I get it. But, unless they have a specific target in mind, the fires of censorship have the potential to burn out of control...
...and btw it would be nice if feminist groups in the US would work on the problems at home first. [Hearing about rape in the news all too often (happening to REAL people; and somehow for some reason I bet the criminals I see on the news don't know jack about these games)]
Show your support > http://eroge.com/
Huh? wasn't the ban a total fabrication by the media, apparently nothing is going to happen on June 4th (when the ban is suppose to happen) but instead a meeting to discuss one will.
I don't think that this will be as bad as some people think. I think that the industry is basically dealing with this the way an adult would deal with an irritating kid: smile at them, pretend that you care about whatever it is that they're screaming about, then get back to what you were doing after they go away. Think of it a drug dealer would: if someone doesn't want you selling on a corner, just go find another one. The fiends will follow. Sure there may be a temporary downturn, but in the end things will go back to normal in a little while and in the meantime it could maybe even cause a spur to creativity to work under a restriction.
wonder how long it will take for there to be "maleism" movements to rise?
Never. "Maleists" go to jail (rember: everything is illegal, especially anything that is advantagious to men but does not result in extra power for women). Feminists get funded.
Anti-feminism/masculinism/whatever could only win if men had no regard for their own lives and were willing to wage war against those who jail or execute their fellow men who take young wives etc.
Men will never be willing to fight. Ever. Except in the service of women's liberty.
LOL Mikee, you and me are probably the only idiots still coming back to this thread :p
Men don't diserve that. Women have been beat down for years. We diserve every chance we get.
We have that already. It's called MikeeUSA.
We should ban feminist groups instead.
If they don't like what they see or hear about, they should ignore it and shut the fuck up.
All who agree say: Aye
Banning an so-called ideology is just suppressing FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
It is like "I don't like your idea, so I kill you to get rid of you"
This does not solve the problem.
What should be done is let FEMINISTS KNOW WHAT IS LOGICAL.
hexilion i agree with you
aye
Might as well ban alll eroge games or make a law saying no one is allowed to make pr0n
You pathetic anti-feminists actually believe that people that read rape won't go out and rape people?
If anything, it encourages it because of how helpless and sexy the women look during rape.
Just like all the feminist tv shows where they show the man always the antagonist and raping girl cases. In your logic the show that was showing what goes on will make more in real life antagonist rapers. I stop watching tv a long time ago I wonder why.
I will never lay a finger on a woman (except a woman who can defend herself and who attack me first of course).
But, when I read this, I think I wouldn't say no to rape one feminist if it wasn't illegal of course...
You'd rape any woman, feminist or not?
You're not a man.
Your logic is just like "Simpson series contain world destruction themes, so it turns audience to more dictators"
What shitty logic is this?!
10-20% Ban I think more like 99.99% of all h-games. Good thing we still have ultra violent games. Wonder why they don't ban that too. Maybe that will kill the gaming industry and cause other things. I feel like homer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yGJGTjV2WE&feature=related [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yGJGTjV2WE&feature=related]
Urge to kill raising.. raising.
excuse for the really long comment but...
wow, it's almost like they're close to saying this line to all 2D fans:
"give them nothing, take from them EVERYTHING!!!"
but seriously, if they ban another genre of anime/manga/games, no matter what type it is...
i personally think that it's probably their step towards banning everything 2D, everything fictional. telling everyone that only reality matters, nothing more.
crime rates? morality? who knows? people could just be using them as base so they could tell everyone that they're right and saying that way too many people don't know what's wrong and what's right.... "could be".
i don't really know but... did the existence of fictional things made that of a huge difference in people's morality than of before comics or cartoons or movies were ever invented?
but how did that effect the economy? technological ideas based on those with great mind's imagination which was probably stolen from another person's fictional story? what would the world be if they "did" ban everything 2d? ...may be a little of topic
this too might be a little off topic but, hmm...
ban rape genre - to prevent people from thinking that there's something fun about raping someone.
ban loli/shota genre - because it involves children and something immoral happening to them. and they don't want those things to happen to real children
ban crime/murder/violence genre - cause it involves killing people, stealing cars, stealing money, beating up the enemy until their health bar is empty.
ban horror/suspense genre - causes people to build mass murdering bioweapons, zombies and virus. or notify the people that they need a hockey mask and what type of weapon they'll need to use if they want to kill somebody or what kind of weapon is most affective against zombies.
ban genre involving history or wars - cause they hurt the feelings of the old people or veterans of the opposite sides or teaches people about what "not" really happened and believe them as fact.
ban sports genre - cause instead of playing the real sports... they start to become lazy. they want people to become real pros of the NBA, NFL, MLB, or any group or individual sports. they want them to become real MMA, wrestling or boxing champions or professional race car drivers no matter how much of handicapped person or how old he is. they want them to experience crashing your car going 300 mph or real face-plant to the concrete because you got off balanced while riding your bike or skate board, crashing head-on to a tree or race against avalanche or fall off a thousand ft. cliff on their ski or snowboard,the pain and pleasure of beating your opponent down to the ground or their own faces catching all the punches and kicks from the enemy.
ban fantasy genre - they cause people to believe that elves or super powers gained from accidents or special training are real.
ban sci-fi genre - they don't want people to believe that living in space, fighting aliens, deflecting laser beams with your lightsaber or destroying enemy's deathstar with your X-wing fighter is a possibility.
ban genre involving machines/robots(all sizes) - cause someone might really build mechs of mass destruction and destroy buildings, historical landmarks, dominate the world through skynet causing the extinction of all humanity by raping them then killing them.
if they forbid all those fictional things from being drawn, or made into a movie or a tv show, it's like they're saying "our economy is in the 'we're okay with it' level now, so we don't need you anymore, 2D. back to reality now thanks, bye!"
i guess they really fear people having negative or evil thoughts or fear of potential criminals from being born that much... huh? they don't want anymore cases of someone doing something to somebody because his 2D stuffs were taken away from him.
and they also don't these 2D's to add up to those illegal trading and smuggling by those unknown underground organizations... drugs, firearms, people/slaves? what's next? eroge?
people and government really does fear each other, government fear of people's possible disobedience, people's fear of being punished by the government... but who has more power and authority?
well all i can personally say is that a lot of people is just lazy.
authorities thinking that it's a bother to find approach those criminals when something bad happens so they'll just be more strict with the rules.
and people thinking that it's a bother to struggle against authority even if they know that they are being to strict with the rules.
but above all... i'm still siding with the people who hate these strict rules. anonymous out.
and again... sorry.. the comment was extremely long
and oh btw... please don't mind me or my comment too much cause i really suck at arguments, really... just being a little sarcastic with the ban other genre stuff.
think of me as one of those paranoid guys screaming "armageddon is coming!" or thinking sooner or later aliens will invade us and take over the world.
Waffle?
I have always maintained that I am for what is most advantagious for Men.
I am not an advocate for equality and thus could not "waffle" in an argument about such: I would not be in such an argument to begin with.
Idiot.
Death To women's Rights.
Viva Men's Liberties.
--MikeeUSA--
Feminazism is, Feminism isn't.
Feminists are perfectly happy with equality between the genders, setting aside biological differences.
So a Feminist would say: A man and a woman do the same job, work the same hours, perform the same amount of work, and both have the same experience, degrees, time with the company = then they both should have equal pay.
A Feminazi would say: Women are discriminated against and should therefore have a higher pay than the men who are oppressing her.
They're like the inverse version of MikeUSA. All they want is just to prey on others, weaker than themselves. When asked to confront those stronger than themselves they start to waffle and come up with all sorts of excuses.
And yeah, Otaku are too lazy to fight for their rights, most people are. In the end that tends to lead to claims like: Ich habe es nicht gewust. Which is a big load of crock, because anyone with half a brain could figure out what was happening.
As for fighting for what you believe in, we've entered an age, where only a select few will do so. The rest just shows apathy towards it all. Which is why I say, if 2012 does equal the end of the world, then let it come quickly. Least then I won't have to put up with crud like this no more, and I can finally find some rest.
I dont see your point.
Would you please summarize when you make a comment?
The structure of this website makes reading very uncomfortable. It simply hurt user's eyes.
Hence you should know "Simple strong arguments" are better than long essays.
Speak for yourself Canadamann.
He was perfectly clear to me, but to help you out, I'll give you the cliff note version.
- Give them an inch, and they'll take a mile.
- Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
- Prohibition is the new Black.
- And people hate it, but are too lazy to do anything about it.
As someone who knows how governments work. Blame the politicians, they're the ones dreaming up the policy. It's the task of the civil servant to try and make said policy into reality, even though they on more than one occasion have known that said politician should lay off the dope that they're using, or at least share it, because their ideas are ludicrous and have no relation what so ever with what's occurring in reality.
"Being welcomed and showered with flowers" anyone? More like welcomed and showered with bullets and bomb fragments.
You mean, feminism is based on hatred?
And otaku are too lazy to fight for their rights?
(I mean, in this case of Otaku VS Feminist)
There are many people in the past, fighting for what they consider to be right, and have lost their lives.
The society is always full of injustice, full of nonsense, but if you don't fight, your sons and grandchildren a worse society.
My Theory is that this Feminist Group (All Americans from what I know) is backed-up by their country.
Because think about it. Most people (not all) from all over the world because of the influence of Anime by Japan.
Watches or Play Games Related to Anime.
Then here's the catch !
Anime Not Porn/Porn = Videos/Manga/Games/Merchandise is STRONGER in SALES than those of
American PORN (WEAK Shits).
Ex. TAKAMURA MAMORU VS BRYAN HAWK.
TAKAMURA KILL BRYAN HAWK (PERVERTED ARROGANT FAGG).
Do some research. THERE IS NO BAN.
It turns out the ban is completely fictional, an invention of TBS.
http://zepy.momotato.com/2009/05/28/rape-games-not-really-banned-and-i-hate-tbs/
You people are optimistic.
You should indeed know that there is discrimination against eroge at all time in japan.
No matter the news is true or not, you should start thinking how to not let crazy feminists proceed their evil plan.
If you continue to be like this, one day you will suddenly see a news topic "Eroge totally banned in Japan", without knowing why this happened.
My two cents. Personally I don't believe this will have tremendous effects on how the eroge industry operates as it is. Again these are really conjectures. Game makers are advised to follow them but not mandated. If this gets signed into a law then that's a different stories(which I doubt would happen considering the annual sales of eroge probably measure up to a few percent of their GDP). Even if a ban does occur, the doujin market will come quickly to fill in the gap. While I am very disappointed in their decision, I am not too worried about the situations right now.
- Simon Cowell of Eroge
I don't play games with rape in them, but this still upsets me. I can just see these people pushing towards banning many other games than just those involving rape now, and the fact that this has worked out for them will just egg them on in said-future...
in all seriousness the feminist groups are made of retards, they have no idea what to prioritize, instead of questioning and scrutinizing their own culture for being sexist, they pull a scapegoat and blame japan... in all seriousness, they should go enslave themselves already... since they are on the path of destruction anyways...
>they are on the path of destruction anyways
This is like "US is declining so we should ignore it"
And really it is just letting your guard off.
How can you possibly decide when you have not seen the true end of your enemy?
Continue fighting should be the best way, otherwise you may get seriously damaged(i.e. all eroge and eromanga die)
Japan banning......RAEP GAMES!? I can't help but feel some sort of horrible disturbance in the force has just occured.
"As if millions of otaku suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced..."
But if Japan won't support Raep games, who the fuck will? And what's next to go? O_O
Since they got this far, I seriously doubt we won't be hearing about a loli ban soon. "Pedophiles" are like the new satanic worshipers of the world or something.
by that I mean that's how they're views by society. and by "pedophiles" I meant what society calls lolicon.
if loli is banned i swear im gonna rape a bunch of fat,ugly,virgin and over 40 yo ladies!!!!!
What a futile move. Do they honestly believe they're going to stop such HORRIBLY MORALLY DEPRAVED with something as pathetic as this? When humans want porn, they WILL find ways to get it. All they're going to do is increase the demand for such things in the underground, possibly making it even more lucrative for those who supply such material. Not to mention what Lunar and Atma have said, with new technology becoming easier to use, people will just make this shit on their own. When they see how shortsighted and worthless this is, I will laugh and use their tears as a delicious lubricant while I fap to my copy of Rapelay(even though I'm not even into it).
Hey. Let me have some of those tears too, I just finish installing Rapelay on my pc.
hahah i wonder what's going to happen 80% of the japanese men who has rape fetish :D
castration and collective sacrifices to their loli gods?
Let the real rapefest begin... Onwards, perverts out of your houses and into the real world... Rape real women and and teach these fools the wrongs of their doings...
FUCK YOU MORALFAGS!!!
fuck you
have to say i read through as much of this junk as i could stomach and without wanting to appear rude or abusive, you are all way out of line, persuant to this simple fact I quote the very first comment "fuck you, feminists, seriously". Now this is all that really needed to be said, this is not an arguement, a war or even a battle, to put it simply its an embarassment. To all the ones calling yourselves anti feminist whatever,as evidenced by the very media you are defending these feminists are your ideal prey for want of a better word (obviously it has been said that in reality these woman are unattractive to you), they are the literary fodder that feeds you. As for the feminists you are simply embarrased, not that your prey (men, yes men are prey to women too, but you all would say you knew that i guess) are seeking out this media, but the very desires in your hearts that this awakens.. I will say no more but, your arguements are all rendered invalid by two simple facts 1 it has been said many times on this very page, banning or other such legislation will do nothing to hurt your enjoyment of this media, (best board up those windows just in case... ;p) and 2 all feminists DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, fact, feminists that wish to usurp men, in doing so will only usurp themselves... by taking the role of men they will CEASE to be feminists
To the most talkative anon up there, I hope your internet and rape games keep you happy because and again without wanting to appear rude, you appear very lonely and quite sad, im no psychologist, but as some1 rightly pointed out (probably the same anon but im not searching back through that lot ;s) the consumers of these games arent being perverted or anything (anymore then they were when they started seeking this stuff out i might add), these people have their own minds and their own views, im sure any real psychologist will tell there are underlying issues and these people are lonely, perhaps by choice perhaps not, but there is a deeper fantasy at work here that they feel people are trying to violate, to put another ref u cant rape lesbians straight and no amount of verbal force is going to change anything here, after all this is the internet go outside people... err well if u didnt find that funny u probably do need a new sarcasm detector or something, oh maybe ull have to go outside to get it T_T... And yes it has not escaped my notice im also an anon, and i intend to remain just this sad and lonely till the day i die, and tbh honest ive not been alive that long... I could go on all day about just how young i am but ill shut up now i think... I'm just thinking now its a real gd thing im an anon but i think ill just go install window shutters just in case ;s
But anyway the reason i post this junk is just to say that no one cares about some sad loser and his rape games, anymore then WoW players are in anyway respectable. Heh another joke, but seriously have you ever met 1... no seriously ive never met one, outside... AANnnyway, just to finish this with what brought be me respond to that anon (btw i find your anti combat game attitude unrefreshing, it's attitudes like that that ruin it for the rest of us ill bet youre one of the pendants who has to know all the moves by heart and thinks evry1 else should too, calls people who dont display the games standard combinations noobs... erm, began to digust myself there, off topic but if any banning should be going on its people like that from those online games namely SCIV), your Niemöller quote brought me to say this,
I was not a Jew, a Communist or a trade whatever... Just what the hell were u then? No one left to stand for u? Stand for yourself and stop expecting others to stick up for you, from what I see the only thing you can expect from "the other side" is your perverse logic thrown back in your face.. (u might also find on a more controversial note, people you thought were on your side turning on you T_T)
Rape is a crime punishable to the fullest extent of law, masturbating is not, and I think ill reinforce the fact that not all women hate men, and it is a fact that many and perhaps most, perhaps all (embarrasing as that may be) straight women fantasise about BEING RAPED (perhaps too literal ;p), thanks for reading...
and it's anonymous btw... ANONYMOUS, a term for someone whose identity is not clear and is in fact hidden by factors including the time it takes for messages to be passed, and the chinese whisper factor, and therefore under suspiscion and perhaps even totally untrustworthy, after all i could well be the devil writing from the icy throne of hell, for all you know, but I will give you a name to assuade your suspiscion, you may call me ceed... if anyone cares that is ;s lol that means anyone who agrees with me may well be in league with the devil, if that is his real name, and contrary to what you may already believe i do not enjoy messing with your heads, your fragile little minds are just far to easily manipulated, and hell it is my job (you know its your job when its all you have left), I will lie to you but only because i must, it is a lie to be lied to anyway... try telling a pilot not to fly or a rapist not to... err forget that last 1 ;[ a doctor not to heal. The majority will control the minorites, they will bend them to their will, at least they will try, I am already damned by them all and they will give anything to protect themselves... think about that if nothing else, the only lie im telling here is that im your friend because im not, as i said in the opening this is little more then an embarrasment to me, and after all ive already claimed to be the devil what else do you need...
Seriously stop posting here this is no place for your anger, the devil will be waiting in hell whenever you get there, and i can personally assure you he'll be pleased to listen to all of your well written and worded complaints...
Stand up for yourself and your world will stand up too, run too far away and it might not be here when you get back... Maybe thats what you want but im just guessing that IT IS NOT. if you do happen to be reading this that is, and remember one thing if you did skip along to the end, the pocket flies at noon... errm actually i just had a mind lapse there, heh, if i rememebr what you should remember ill get back to u i guess... At least that kind of proves im not the devil though, as far as i know the devil either has no mind lapse's or is under the permenant inflenence of 1 and i hope that makes u feel better then it makes me...
God knows i didnt need to go on like this, (it should be stated. if its not obvious by now that everything i say now, after this point, is soley to make ME feel better) I mean for heavens sake, how did you all get here, I know how i got here, im not telling but im sure you already know as im guessing its the same way you got here, so for all you so-called 2d womens rights protesters I have one word to finish, very elegant actually I think, hypocrites... unless you can tell me ur seriously focussing on the text under all these so-called pretty pictures i cant seem to help but notice and we'll see who gets their lie caught out, for the record I despise general BDSM practices, i consider it to be in many and most cases hypocrisy gone mad, the lunatic fringe, the road to nowhere.. and yes I am single, hypocrites... Rather distasteful word actually, the beauty of the lie is it's whatever you want it to be, the truth is very different however, and it IS NOT built from lies... That is it's greatness, the very soul itself, again as im now somewhere around doubly long thanks for reading.. I guess *narrows eyes*... *thinks better of it and wonders what will happen next, knowing the only certainy, the truth, contemplates humanity and considers getting a quote on metal shutters and obtaining firearms, but thinks better of the threat of violence, contemplating the truth of that inevitability, so considers going medival and constructing high walls among other things. *Still considering*
"It is from their foes, not their friends that people learn the lessons of building high walls" - Leonard Nimoy, CivIV, Construction, maybe not verbatem
WTF? So we women are supposed to free ourselves from the evil, evil bonds of male supremacy and fearlessly express our own sexual identities...by banning everything even remotely sexually daring or interesting? Score one for internal incoherence. *rolls eyes*
I'm sorry but I have no idea what you just said.
The character of the EOCS is demonstrated by the fact that it banned loli eroge a decade ago, which led to a complex and typically Japanese situation in which loli games continued to be released, but with references to ages and school years removed, similar to how brothels are technically illegal in Japan but in fact operate openly. A similar situation may be in the making for “rape” eroge.
im not too worried about it, hopefully thats what its gonna happen
Hey, does anyone remember the american game, Phantasmagoria? I remember hearing something about it having a scene where the main character is raped by demons (not to mention horribly graphic violence in the bad ends), and I remember it being live action and still perfectly legal in the US. Can anyone verify this?
It even had a sequel btw.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantasmagoria_(computer_game)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantasmagoria:_A_Puzzle_of_Flesh
I remember reading about it in a local magazine, and it got a high score rating...
Maybe I should check the game....
dam feminists. we gave u freedom of speech and u think u can take more than we give you, we should take dat freedom back
You can't take back something that should have been free for everyone.
ok the rape/brutality/prostitution/etc ban i can understand cos those sorts of games even put ME off and i'm an eroge otaku (thought completely white), but pregnancy, pregnant women, conception, conception and incest are some of the hottest eroge themes out there.
Feminazi's strike again.
Wait... the BL games aren't affected with this are they?
... Absolute Obedience, Enzai and Nitro+Chiral are still there... Yaay~
I'm a happy yaoi fangirl.... but... the hentai fangirl inside of me is crying
There are two types of people in the world:
1. people who are dumb
2. people who are less dumb
For argument's sake, let's say that rape-featuring eroge actually do effect the rate of rape.
However, people who are less dumb, aren't dumb enough to actually rape anyone.
That leaves only the truly dumb, of which only 5 out of 100 actually went out and raped someone because they played an eroge that made it seem like a good idea.
You ban rape in eroge and those 5 rapes would have never happened.
The problem here is that you still have 100 dumb fucks running around who will just do something else stupid. They didn't rape your daughter but they hit a kid while driving home drunk. They didn't rape your cat but they lit your house on fire.
Banning rape doesn't solve any problems because dumb people will always find some way to exercise their stupid.
The real answer is to ban dumb people.
Or am I the dumb one for writing this?
I'm so confused.
Well feminist does sound a lot like fascist. At least there's sankaku for everything awesome and there's 'that-billboard'.. for everything else.
The doujin will improve, the simplicity of story based games means they will be made anyway and the popularity on the www. (What we (really) want) will focus it as a speciality as besides what a select few think, the vast majority vote is obvious. If you are threatened by a picture, choose a different job.
True, when they own our minds and fine us for thinking it'll be a different story. So until that happens, if anyone know's how to contact Paprika, let me know.
There IS a market for the types of games they are banning, according to RHEIR figures apx 10 to 20 percent if their numbers are accurate. Are they truly stupid enough to believe that a market share that large is just going to simply dissappear? We have tried banning booze, didn't work, we have tried banning drugs, didn't work, we have tried banning prostitution and gambling, BIG SUPPRISE THAT IT STILL DIDN'T WORK. There is enough money in this product line to make it as a BLACK market so all that money simply goes without being taxed and the games they will make now will no longer be held to any standard as they are written from the shadows. These actins will only give the underground shadow market a bigger share. Good Going Ray,...Mr Staypuft
Any latest news?
I so FUCKING wanna kill those feminists, i mean WTF banning this stuff won't help anybody ffs!!
i bet on that soon NO porn will be legal and we have to make our own hentai <.< gay shit this made me rage -___-
I am shocked at how many people here actually support rape games. It is absolutely disgusting and I am glad that they have put a ban on such games. You have got to be mentally ill to want to play such games. It is absolutely disgusting and disturbing to hear that such games exist.
Put yourselves in women shoes and ask yourselves, how would you like to be raped by a gay guy?
2 all those who want to make their own eroge, google "blade engine" xD
"Note: All characters in this game have given their explicit consent to all acts performed on them."
I love that image
It is done by murakami suigun
I think that it's the anime style of art that makes rape and violence towards women look so appealing - female faces are drawn incapable of expressing pain, disgust, or hatred, and therefore the male viewer feels this to be a mutually erotic act by the participants.
I mean, whenever I watch Japanese porn, I'm always surprised at how goddamn ugly these Asian women's faces look all scrunched up in 'pleasure', dead fish or statues that they are... I'm sure it's the desire of the Japanese artist to remove the real pain aspect from the experience entirely...
...because I'll bet none of you sorry fags have a fucking clue what it's like to have known women who have actually been raped or sexually abused.
Damn if this continues more countries could follow suit...and then the world will fall in the hands of the feminists, the so-called social groups/organizations and politicians!!!
Damn it all...
The problem is the fact that feminists think about things negatively when around men.
Yes, they do and they think that the world is run by men mostly because they think that men do things like that and this when women don't get to these places because they aren't adventurous enough to venture into the unknown. A woman's own common sense and intelligence stops them from being as rebellious and crazy as men and as such few of them have ever tried to see or to realize what we do and why we do it.
No,no,no. The problem is that you think we girls aren't strong. The fact is, you've never given us a chance, and when we did try, you beat us down. With guys like you, humanity is doomed. (and cats will rule the world)
If humans wish to blow out of proportion, a 2d game as insentive to rape, then dont blame me when i start to kill evil ppl, cut them up and throw them to the ocean, after all im following what a tv series has told me to do....
fuckin bitch feminist
Japan banning.....raep games!? FUUUUUUUCK! ITS THE APOCALYPSE! THE FEMINAZIS ARE TAKING OVER THE WORLD!
maybe the /b/tards at 4chan should do something about this, instead of the silly youporn campaign currently underway?
Don't you mean 2ch and the Vippers?
/b/ doesn't do anything for any cause other than for their own amusement.
But they ARE taking their amusement away.
Unfortunately.
Be funny if they really did ban all sexual violence in games. There go Tsukihime, Fate/Stay night, Yume Miru Kusuri, Saya no Uta, and more...
Seriously though, if that happened we'd just start getting a bunch of underground uncensored rape games.
Yep. Everything's better underground. For one thing, the people involved are generally passionate about what they're doing, and there's a brilliant spirit of camaraderie and community you just can't find inside legitimized business templates.
Censorship pretty much just keeps the drama and trolls out, and the people you wouldn't mind spending a fun weekend with in :D
Yes, because creative geniuses are fostered by the fear of arrest and the inability to finance large scale productions...
The spirit might live on, but there are a lot of practical issues that will be very hard to tackle. I don't like my eroge without any seiyuu, just to name one.
And yes, I do know that the news were manufactured by TBS ~_^
Not a defeatist, I take it?
Nobler niches than rape games have been forced underground, and exist to this day in small, happy circles.
If you think you can actually win against all the censorship campaigns, I'm with you 100%.
I mean that. That would be the best of all worlds.
But HOW? SanCon articles? Getting the word out, the community in a fervor?
It might affect something. Let's hope that it does.
But just let me get it out there that in the very likely scenario where we truly are powerless, at least there's still somewhere these endangered genres can exist. They will not go extinct.
And the only "glass is half full" way of looking at this very likely scenario, is to believe that bans will remove the motivated artist's creative restraints. If they don't have to strictly follow the "good business" cliches and archetypes, this may result in some fascinating achievements, conventions, etc. that may otherwise have never been given a chance to bloom.
You posted it at friggin last. Any translation of the news available?
BTW are there other organizations aside from the EOCS that can review the works? If there are then it is possible to still get some published.
Confirmed this. But 200? That's still a lot. Oh well, we can expect them to move on to different review boards soon.
If you're the liveevil I think you are, it's a pleasure to see you on SanCon ^_^
This may be something good for rape eroge, after all prohibition is a profitable industry, look at alcohol in the twenties, it is indeed something weird, by prohibiting rape eroge, it is quite possible that it will have the oposite effect
lol i suppose so but then again beer and liquor are so easy to steal... (forgot about illegal downloading nvm though)
I've been saying this for ages.
"If worse comes to worse, whatever they ban will just go underground. Whenever there is a demand for something, regardless of its legality, it will somehow find a way to still exist. That should be a famous truism."
Plus, tools are becoming more and more available to average consumers so that making their own games will become easier and easier.
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I'm hard at work myself in the field of AI, and one of the long-term project goals is to make a system that can "look" at several pictures, pick apart any of the chosen predicates that hierarchically make up the scene/characters, and output a new "imagined" image.
So you give the system a series of pictures of, say, Rei Ayanami, and simply type in english you want it to output an image of Rei eating some Melon Pan, ala Shana. It can imagine its own positions and scene elements if you don't want to specify them. Or if the system already knows "rape", enjoy your personalized Rei rape. Your own brain does this all the time while you're daydreaming, being creative, sleeping, etc. Because such a system already exists, this shows us that representing it computationally is logically feasible, in a complex enough neuronal ecosystem, virtual or otherwise.
Moralfags are too stupid to fight progress and technology. Sure their numbers are bigger, but there will inevitably be technology to combat that as well :P
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In the meantime, let them ban everything remotely deviant and sexual in nature. Since there's always FAR less legislation to remove old bans, that's where it's headed after all. Just accept it will happen now, and save yourself from the negative energy it would make you feel in the future.
But also realize this will make things more fun having to scrape together passionate developers, donators, interested parties in encrypted channels to put something that's supposed to be banned together, in an environment where fun is illegal. Then kick your feet back and watch dark nets and free nets spread the prohibited materials, and blogs review them to get the word out.
If you approach it right mentally, this banning trend can make life more amusing :D
which means for those who owns rapelay or any rape based eroge could sell it with a high price sometimes in the near future, who knows, maybe it'll end up as an antique/rare collectible =P
I was pissed for like a second, but just imagining all of the D: faces from those responsible after the shit backfires into the fan in some way (more ways than one hopefully), just makes me smile too much.
I think at least, industries and economy will be effected and there will be a growing outcry against a breach of freedom of speech in art.