Media Invents Eroge Ban

and then permabanned.

fuck, raping is fun, now it's banned... FUCK!

Rape can only be truly banned if all females get banned along with it.

You can never ban me~

Hmm I fill like my life is going to get banned...Its tiume to call all /b/ and strkie with full power!

/b/ is not your personal army you faggot.

Irresponsible reflex censorship of pornography.

A feminist stands for equal rights for women and men. These so-called "feminists" are morality bigots who condemn anything that they do not see fit in their own eyes without considering those who may enjoy this material, only adding the tag "feminism" for mass approval.

same here.

desu yo! Nodontto da yo!

A traps.

Wtf.

Different from what I expected, but still good enough. >_>

your an amerifag right?

Actually it is! Imagine how painful for those girls made of fabrics and cotton wool to be humped by their owners every night!!!

Don't forget it's also slavery. They have >owners<.

indulge in relativity

Animals rape each other all the time too. Ducks are particularly notorious for it.

In fact, sometimes animals rape in self-defense. Here's a YouTube video of a cat attacking a rabbit, and the rabbit fights back by raping the cat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPVxCznfooI

So a murderer is better that a rapist? Weird...

It's not really weird. Death is an end, the suffering is over. Rape, not so much.

Again it is intent. You want the person to suffer and continue to suffer for a long time. Think of the concept of putting you out of your misery.

There is far more cruelty in your average rape then in your average murder.

Anon

Good point, I never meant to imply animals don't rape each other, it's just (arguably) not as common and instinctive (intent).

I guess I should make a distinction there.

First degree murder is very cruel (intent), what I was mainly referring to was 2nd degree and wars, random shooting etc. The intent is different.

Rape/torture/1st degree murder, all are about nothing more then cruelty and self gratification. they all rank about the same.

On the other hand someone killing someone in the heat of the moment or snapping on going on a rampage is not as bad since the intent is not the same.

You also have to realize sex is in essence a very intimate experience and one of great trust. Rape violates that.

Either way ending someones life is not quite as bad as making them suffer for the rest of it. The whole closure/moving on bit.

My post seem to have died. Sankaku seems to eat some of them.

Judging what is worse death or rape is not the point of the discussion.

There will be many people who think death and rape are on the bottom of this scale you try to introduce and if we start to ban one thing there is no reason why we shouldnt ban the other.

In fact, just look at the penalty for rape and murder. Even law thinks murder is worse. So according to law, if we ban video game raping, video game killing should be banned first.

Another point if view: Maybe rape for some, is worse then death. But for a family it would be much worse to lose a member. But i have to say, comparing this is rather hard and i dont want to even think about this.

Well i made my point.

> There is far more cruelty in your average rape then in your average murder.

I don't think you're aware that in real life, the vast majority of rapes are not the "psychotic kidnapping stranger" incident. Rather, it's the "trusted acquaintance applies emotional pressure", or "college frat guy takes advantage of drunk female who isn't thinking straight". That's one reason why rape is so underreported all over the world; you were right when you said that sex is an act of great trust, and the vast majority of rapists exploit that by using tactics that aren't "cruel", leaving even the victim doubting as to whether or not she was actually raped.

Let me make clear, I do not want to trivialize rape. Rape is a truly awful thing. However, the truth is that the "cruel psycho-kidnapping stranger" is mostly just a cinematic stereotype, meant to shock us in the same way that cinematic murder used to shock us (but we've become desensitized to violence). In reality, the vast majority of rapes are not as cruel as murder or torture, which is why so many rapes still go unreported everywhere. If it was so obviously cruel, it couldn't be so easily ignored.

We need to keep realistic, accurate ideas of what most rapes actually are in real life, if we are to successfully prevent them from happening in real life.

Killing is milder than rape?
What nonsense it this?

After the rape you can do tons of other works.
But after being killed you only go into dust.

Women just NEVER TRAIN THEIR SPIRITUALITY, to be able to overcome a rape experience.
It is psychology, nothing to do with "rape is worse than murder"

However, a crime is a crime.
And games should have nothing to do with it.
What feminists do is SUPPRESSING FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
And this is nothing to do with morality of criminology.

Society trains women to be permanent victims. When men get raped in prison, society doesn't expect them to think that it's worse than getting murdered.

That nonsense it's called point of view. xD

In my opinion, the reason why rape-games are being targeted instead of death-games is simply because killing in games is more "popular".

Besides, you have a military power in almost every country, you don't have a "rape-squadron", so my point is "killing" is sometimes a necessity for humanity, and if you banned some of these games it would surely put mankind on a "hypocritical light" of sorts (much more than this ban).

A lot of kids must surely like all the: "pew, pew, pew" and decide to become a soldier only because of that. Perhaps it sounds like a stupid thing for some, but it has the same principles that playing with dolls has, to become a good mom in the future.

Killing = necessary for human
Rape =/= necessary for human

This is just pathetic philosophy.
Why did we have communism which tried to give everybody fairness?(although it failed)
Human is the best creature on earth and we should hope human to do better, which means HUMAN CAN LIVE WITHOUT WAR.

I don't care those military maniacs' thinking.
What I know is just FEMINISTS SUPPRESSING FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

lol, I'm not going to justify human actions, I'm just trying to see the "big picture" here.

If humans could live without hurting each others interests, then wars wouldn't exist like you say.

But we have two world wars, a lot of violence, bans, rapes, homicides, suicides, mindless violence, nuclear weapons, etc. all around the world... sure, humans CAN be the best but, do they want to be the best?

Ok you are now talking about if people desire "a highest level of morality" or just "profit".
Let's not to do it, because it is really complicated.

The case we are dealing is that there is discrimination in japan, AGAINST EROGE.
It seems that the news is false, but we should think about the psychology here.
If nobody hates eroge, there will be no such news as "rape games banned".
Why did this false news occur?

It is ultimately the Feminists' desires.

No, I'm not talking about morals or profit, I'm talking about something bigger than that.

But it's ok, I agree with you that it's a complicated topic.

And who knows who started all this, the news here, like on every site, are subjected to a margin of error too, that's why I don't want to blame all on the feminist side.

This usually happens with religion too, someone does something and boom, every religion it's at fault, it sucks, etc.

And if psychology is going to be applied at the matter, I would have to analyze every aspect of the persons involved. I can't form a solid argument by just reading this on a site where I, most of the time, like to relax. xD

Wait a fucking second. We're trying to trivialize the ENDING OF A HUMAN LIFE versus a rape?

They both fucking suck on the same level. If you get murdered, you're DEAD, you lose the ONE thing that you have no control over, and some asshole was an asshole enough to STOP it. You stop living, everything you ever worked for, everything that you were trying to do is GONE. PEOPLE DIE WHEN THEY'RE KILLED.

Yes, while you're raped your sense of security is violated and you lose all trust in other people, BUT LOTS OF EVENTS DO THAT TOO. But guess what, you're still fucking alive, you still can overcome that.

You can't exactly take back a murdered person. We kinda don't have the ability to bring back people after they die from being murdered. When you're raped, you may lose a lot of things and you might get fucked up, but provided you have a good support structure around you, you CAN recover. It's difficult yes, but so is recovering from a lot of other traumatizing things.

I'm kinda disappointed we're having a discussion of how rape can be worse than murder. They're both equally as bad for different reasons. Please don't trivialize murder - that kind of shit happens every day, as much if not more than rape does, the loss of human life should NEVER be trivialized.

>Enrai
You seem to have sympathy towards feminists and religious people.

Yes, every case and every matter are complicated.
We cannot just blame one side when something bad happens.
However, we should always seek the worse side, the side that holds more "wrong factors".

And at this case, we blame Feminists.
I personally cannot have sympathy towards them, because I have a strong hatred towards "the shallowness of females".
When a group of people who do not have enough wisdom, but still forces their wants to be materialized, I will stand against them.

I'm a bit worried about your hatred towards females. They are not the enemy, the radical feminists are. They might be the loudest of the bunch, but they are not even the majority among their sisters.

I once witnessed an online discussion between radical feminists and sex-positive feminists who were on the defensive justifying their preference for BDSM. It was when one of the sex-positive ones wrote "SUCK MY STRAP-ON IN HELL!" when I realized just how awesome feminists can be.

>everything you ever worked for, everything that you were trying to do is GONE

I am working for, and trying to achieve unity with God. DEATH WILL HELP

@CanadaMann: I'm not siding with anyone on this matter, like I said in my previous post, I'm trying to see the "big picture" of this.

I've noticed that you tend to generalize an entire group for your argument, In my opinion, that is wrong (mind you, it's just an opinion).

Shuu said so, there are feminists out there that must be as angry as you are with all these news, maybe MORE than you, because people start to see them ALL like a bunch of extremists.

If a human commits a mistake, then by your same argument, humanity is to be blamed on it's ENTIRETY.

Why must an entire group pay for the mistakes of a few of them?

Btw, blaming it's nice for a while, but if you're so concerned with this issue, then try to do something more productive and act. ^^

I am not going extreme.
What I have done is seeing the root of the problem, and something deep inside females.
They have a tendency of being shallow, emotional, irrational, comparing to male.

This results that they use the cover of Feminism
(which if you are against, you are blamed for lacking MORALITY)
to do what ever they want. And this "what they want" is sometimes very badly decided and organized.
I mean, would cause serious problem if this "what they want" is materialized.

If you continue to be like "everybody in a group is different, thus we can only blame the only one who made a mistake", nothing can be solved and people will spend millions of hours doing meaningless things which will not change a shyt.

Two possible reasons for this last comment CanadaMann :

You're gay and quite the women hater at it
You're obviously single, frustrated, have been rejected many times or just not very gifted with your contacts with your female counterparts.

This can be easily solved, but i suppose most people here had already understood this point

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7liYfhRgXGk

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And don't nobody tell me I can't be Kamina - a Kamina with tits would be awesome and you all know you love the idea.

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You all see the point but you are acting nothing.
If you continue to think "they won't really ban eroge", you will finally get a REAL BAN.

Eroge has rape themes and Video games have murder themes(Assassin's creed, GTA)
However, Videogames have strong support in Europe and US.
And Eroge DONT HAVE ANY SUPPORT in Japan.

Continue to have chatters and you will never see any eroge in the future.
This banning process may take some years, but after that you will have no games to play.

Canada speaks the truth.

^ Which is pretty ironic, if you think about it.

Discrimination can truly lead to harm, but this game is not going all out to get known in large communities and disturb them. Games are only accessible if a person decides to buy them, so they can spare themselves of them.

That's true, eroge doesn't have any support in Japan.

Personally I'm not worried about the games per se, but about how these will affect freedom of speech. I understand if they put a rating and made it hard to access for the public, but outright banning is not good.

Western society is afraid of sex. Read some Foucault. Ally that fear with a criminalized form of sex. There you have it.

Come on, just remember de "Hot Coffee" controversy of GTA: SA. And that was just sex.

Anyway, I think the discussions are useless. They can only apply their own point of view into the matter (like some on our side). We must act.

>Shuu
You mean, immigration?

>Yaku
I meant, that Otaku should be alarmed that their hobby(eroge) is really lack of protection, is really fragile in a political fight.
Feminists are now trying their best to destroy eroge industry. They have the Japanese officials' support and now they got US's support.

What I meant support, is organizations, political support, famous scholars.

Now eroge industry can be a DOG, and feminists are a WOLF.
If you otakus keep to be optimistic, the WOLF will soon grow into a TIGER, or even a DINOSAUR. And then, you will have no resistance and eroge industry will be totally destroyed.

Dinosaurs got extinct.

It's true, this feminist group has the political power to be able to oppress without much fuss.
I'm not well informed about what we could do, but I do agree with you that we should stop being so optimistic.

There's not a whole lot most of us can do, unfortunately. I don't live in Japan and have no friends in the eroge industry or any influential political sphere in Japan. And most of us would rather not publicly support keeping stuff like rape eroge legal for obvious reasons, even if we think it should be protected.

I don't know, maybe a letter-writing campaign?

@CanadaMann:
I meant ethnicity, actually. But if you're an immigrant, that counts too I guess.

There was a site called eroge.com which was up very briefly; it was supposed to organize resistance against this eroge ban. But now they took it down saying that it's not necessary.

I think they're being too optimistic. Even if there isn't a ban now, there may be one in the future, and we need to be prepared for it.

That's right. International organizations with misguided ideas won't back down. Honestly, it might be more effective for those working against a ban to call out groups like UNICEF and Equality Now and ask them why they aren't instead directing more of their efforts towards curtailing female circumcision, or child marriage, or, you know, real-life rape, since they obviously have some spare time and resources.

Immigrant to Japan is very difficult.
However westerners are always welcome to get a permanent resident identity in Japan.
About ethnicity, I dont think you can change it....

You do not have to be IN JAPAN or BEING A JAPANESE to support eroge industry.
Since there were no historical record of a protest about eroge, the mass media will get heated up if some of you organise one.

And, if some of you are a scientist or famous figure, it would be great for you to publicly support eroge.

There are many "sex workers" protesting for their rights.
In here Vancouver, there were some prostitudes protesting to get legalized.
If you say you have "obvious reasons" that make you unable to publicly support it, then I should say, I have overestmated you.
You should have leanrt out something from Gurren Lagann or OnePiece.

I don't know if the EOCS will listen to us gaijin, but for what it's worth here's the EOCS contact page with their email address:
http://www.sofurin.org/htm/about/contact.htm
info@sofurin.org

If you can understand Japanese, there's also a web form to submit messages instead:
http://www.sofurin.org/htm/about/form/general.htm

We might not be able to make much of a difference, but let EOCS know that there are overseas gamers who support them and eroge, and do not want any more censorship.