American Guilty of Loli Manga Possession Faces 15 Years

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The trial of an American man arrested for ordering loli manga from Japan has ended after he pled guilty; he now faces a possible 15 year sentence, along with a $250,000 fine and the loss of all his precious loli manga.

The man, Iowa resident Christopher Handley, pled guilty to “possessing obscene visual representations of the sexual abuse of children and mailing obscene material,” charges stemming from postal workers rifling through his package and discovering it contained manga supposedly depicting underage sexual activity.

After lengthy and complex legal proceedings, details of which were covered in the previous article on the matter, Handley finally folded and faces a maximum sentence of 15 years and $250,000 in fines, along with forfeiture of anything the government happened to take during the trial. Sentencing is due at a later date.

The precise nature of the material he was arrested for is not clear, but Handley’s lawyer has previously insisted they were harmless yaoi comics, which suggests either that the material was rather willfully misconstrued by the authorities, or that the defence is trying to pass off shota as being “yaoi” in order to lessen the opprobrium.

His lawyer, Eric Chase, explains in comments to the media last year:

“There is explicit sex in yaoi comics, and the men are drawn in a very androgynous style, which has the effect of making them look really young. There’s a real taboo in Japan about showing pubic hair, so they’re all drawn without it, which also makes them look young. So what concerned the authorities were the depictions of children in explicit sexual situations that they believed to be obscene. But there are no actual children. It was all very crude images from a comic book.”

However, we hear from the confession that the shipment in question consisted of “obscene material, including books containing visual representations of the sexual abuse of children, specifically Japanese manga drawings of minor females being sexually abused by adult males and animals.” The US Postal Service later conducted a search of his domicile and found the rest of his collection.

The circumstances surrounding Handley’s guilty plea are distinctly unclear (see the forum), but the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund, a pro-freedom of expression group closely involved in the case, condemns the wretched coward for caving in and so potentially introducing a precedent which could be used in further prosecutions, though they are hopeful this can be mitigated:

“Naturally, we are very disappointed by this result, but understand that in a criminal case, every defendant must make the decision that they believe serves their best interest. Because the set of facts specific to this case were so unique, we hope that its importance as precedent will be minimal. However, we must also continue to be prepared for the possibility that other cases could arise in the future as a result.”

The case is legally complex, but the core issue is that loli manga remains Constitutionally protected free speech, as judges have ruled the laws banning it contravene the First Amendment right to freedom of expression.

However, a legal loophole allows the charges of possession to stand due to the material having been “moved in interstate commerce,” even though it would otherwise be Constitutionally protected art.

Those looking for more speculative details, including supposed comments from those familiar with Mr Handley alleging he was a victim of exceedingly bad legal counsel, can read more on the forums.

Strangely, the vigour with which the US has been defending the rights of fictional children has not changed the fact that the USA remains one of the least safe places to be a child in the developed world according to the UN, despite having a legislature which seems obsessed with child protection…



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    Comment by James
    12:52 05/08/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    What confuses me about this is that they mentioned that the postal workers were rifling around in his package. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that in and of itself illegal? I believe it is, because someone's mail is their own buisness.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:32 27/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah, that's the first thing that bothered me too. Unless they already knew what and in whose mail to look for, this means checking people's mail is a habit to them.

    Comment by Red Comet
    13:28 22/11/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Any good lawyer should be able to make them drop these charges and get that guy a large sum of money.
    Several constitutional laws were broken here the USPS should be paying this guy millions.
    Item was not technically illegal so they have jack shit for a case.
    I swear sometimes is seems the US needs another civil war.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:34 07/05/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Actually, the 'obscenity' laws that they used are unconstitutional, but no one wants to challenge them based on that.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:19 14/02/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Wow. America's cracking down on comics now. I guess they're having a hard time arresting the REAL pedophiles

    Comment by tyciol
    17:23 06/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Um, do you mean the real abusers/exploiters/rapists/statutorapists?

    People don't get arrested for pedophilia since it's a psychiatric diagnosis in the paraphilia class, not a crime or even an action.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:32 07/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's not even a paraphilia. Need I remind that homosexuality was once called homoPHILIA!

    Pedosexuality is a normal sexuality that some people have a problem with because:

    1. They think that their imaginary god doesn't want them to be having sex until marriage. If that was true though, we wouldn't have genitalia until marriage!

    2. They think that children are 'innocent', and are actually mistaking ignorance with innocence and thinking that children who have sex as children don't do all the other 'normal' things that children do (bullshit, coming from my own experiences as a child!).

    3. They are actually pedosexuals THEMSELVES who are using their 'outrage' against pedosexuals to cloak themselves and keep people from thinking that they are pedosexuals.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:40 27/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    1. Sorry that your parents made you go to church every Sunday. This isn't a matter of religion (see: British priests).

    2. You're acting as if you have the right to decide concepts like innocence and ignorance.

    3. Now you're just acting dumb/angry. I guess you think gay people are actually straight people and straight people are actually gay, making everyone bisexual. And since some fap to /d/ material it's only normal that everyone else does too, only without admitting it.

    Comment by dzodzu
    21:53 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Wait wait wait wait wh.. wha.. what? 15 years? Okashi, deshou? For a 2D ??? DX

    Comment by Ukonkivi
    22:20 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I just wanted to reply to say that God from Maria Holic is spectacular.

    Comment by Tommy
    21:48 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Do postal worker have the rights to check through every mail they receive? If the postal worker did not check through his ordering it should not be a problem.

    What's up with loli banning? They are just drawing on a piece of paper. People who read loli manga which sometimes I do does not go out and rape children after reading because I know it not right to do so and to those who does not read loli manga will eventually rape the children.

    It's a mad world! Those bastard who are passing the law should die and America is a free world why they are having this kind of stupid banned on loli manga?

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:00 27/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    If a Postal Inspector or the Postal Inspection Service actually felt the need to search every single piece of mail be it a letter or package then yes they would be able to legally do so. Would it be feasible? No, so they use a semi-random system or check items that are "suspicious."

    Comment by blue_blue
    21:08 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    at times like these, I'm glad I live in Indonesia.

    Comment by mi
    20:36 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    most fucked up story
    i recently watched a show in discovery
    and they have 3 people who cooperated and killed a guy

    they were jailed for
    15 years
    15 years and
    35 years

    and that,
    possessing a drawn image...
    for 15 years!

    sometimes i want to laugh at people who graduated at good school and decided what's justice and what's not

    rather helping that guy so that he will regret what he did in jail, it will reverse effect. he will surely go to the bad

    Comment by tyciol
    17:56 06/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Why should he even regret what he did, he looked at a fucking pic. This will just make him bitter and think "if they'll just jail me for thinking and looking at something I may as well go do whatever I want" and them abruptly he'll probably go track down the judge of the case and prosecutor or something.

    Comment by Lord Magtheridon
    22:00 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    For f-sake
    its just a comic, thank god that those retards don't do this bullshit at paintings/drawings and statues .... but I'm afraid that those fucks might do so...

    btw there are laws of posting, downloading "loli" material in internet, but what if I'm the author of those works and confirm that they are all legal age no matter how child like they are?!

    Comment by Michio
    03:39 27/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Tell that to the judge who is interpreting the art. It's loli if they say it is. :)

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:03 13/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    The problem is that the law is very loose on the subject. a cop can have a person arrested for a picture they took if the cop can deem the picture "erotic". Well what is erotic? what if the child is taking a bath and its a innocent picture *literally cant see any chest or below* and the cop deems that erotic. but is it trully erotic for taking a innocent picture of our own child taking a bath? I mean what parent really hasent taken a picture of their own child naked at one time. It's innocent with no harm in it.

    Only reason I know of these laws is because I worked in photo developement. Reporting some one for CP could land you in some severly hot water if it comes out you have no real defense. now you just went and ebaressed a entire family causing emotional and maybe even physical harm to them through a indirect action. Thats the problem with CP laws in general.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:42 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
    If it was NOT EXPLICITLY stated that there were chidren in the manga, then forget about it. For fucks sake, I am tired of people trying to take this shit to court. I enjoy loli, and shit like that, but its a fucking drawing. Who gives a shit. This whole response was disjointed.

    Comment by Sigh
    23:39 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm not defending lolli's or anything. But I've seen actual child molestors, get lesser sentences than that.

    WTF is going on.

    Comment by jj
    09:19 27/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Figures.

    Comment by GourmetPrince
    00:08 27/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    So what? The guy wanted to jack it to some shota. As long as he isn't touching kids there is no issue there.

    Comment by anonymous bastard
    01:19 27/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    what the fuck, the evidence was illegally obtained. how the fuck does crap like this get to court?

    Comment by pawwof
    01:04 27/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    one thing interesting about this is the fact the US postal service is not a federal service and thus can not conduct a search of a private residence. So IF they had performed such a search none of the materials found would be able to be used in a court of law. It is possible the translation of the story is messed up and they meant to say police or FBI.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:02 27/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    The USPIS is a legal law enforcement arm and is as old as the country itself.

    Comment by knee-san
    00:38 27/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    tl;dr on the whole thread, smart people of SanCon

    i have prepared a shitload of apologetic wine and a humble pie just in case anyone wants it. i'll be at the corner

    love knee-san

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:42 27/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    just because otakus are a minority and the rest of the world besides japan cannot reproduce this kind of market for the otakus, the japanese culture is now being discriminated ("if we cannot produce it and reap profit from it, you are NOT ALLOWED to have it!").

    we are given less freedom, ppl can now goto jail because they have hobbies like reading comics and into fictional stories.

    Comment by superchan
    22:36 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    ow shit guys i have a question then should I stop read
    Sekirei and Rosario + Vampire manga's booth of them is that same category like the arrested person ??

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:00 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    lets say
    ban feminism!!!

    Comment by NTX
    22:55 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Ah, so they used the old "it's yaoi" defense. :)

    Comment by LunarSD
    22:49 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Pro-active thoughts:

    1)Spam the ACLU with emails (/b/, are you out there and bored as usual? seriously?) & letters. Definitely physical printed letters from home addresses that they would eventually get so sick of having to throw out they might actually do something useful for once.

    2)If we claim that Hentai is a valid and "important vehicle for public opinion", which I know I'm not alone in viewing something like SanCon as (people giving their opinions on Ero subjects, even 4chan occasionally serves this purpose), then we would actually already have Supreme Court precedent that our visual media is the vehicle for our protected speech.

    This is covered by a Supreme Court decision allowing motion pictures to be anti-religious...
    --Continued in the Forums

    -----

    If you'd like more details on the case at hand, try this excellent post featuring correspondence letters from Handley's own mother, and Expert Testimony that could have turned the case around, but never showed up.

    This the most up-to-date you can get on this case.

    It was just one person failing after another that led to this...

    Comment by Wizary
    22:03 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh you United States...

    Comment by NicklesS
    19:42 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Just a loli manga though... Wa 15yrs jail... I rather rape a real loli if wan me to put in jail for that long.

    Comment by Self-medicated
    15:43 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    As long as they leave my medical marijuana alone, I guess I can deal with the loss of hentai.

    Comment by Al
    15:44 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I hope the Swine Flu hits all those bureaucrats/regulators/politicians who dare infringe in our RIGHT to enjoy seemingly harmless artistic works of Loli! :p

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:05 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    usa=everything can be used against us

    Comment by thegirlguywhosaysheisagirl
    16:04 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I find it odd that they do not prosecute women and only go after the male species in regards to this type of case. Not to mention the whole process in which this was discovered is rather irritating. Going through someone's mail? How else is someone supposed to get the material if torrenting and the like is illegal? The government continues to push people to downloading and torrenting because it is illegal to actually buy the products. They will never be able to make it illegal though there are too many of them. They can't afford to send all of those people to prison, it would cost too much and is too stupid a reason. Besides it is manga like this that helps keep potential real child predators from heading out into the real world.

    The guy made a huge mistake and had horrible law representation as anyone with a brain could have managed to fight against these charges. Hopefully this won't see a surge of new cases and problems resulting from it.

    Comment by JD in the making
    16:41 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Just to clarify. This person wasn't charged on the possession of obscene materials. In fact, the judge threw out the charge and ruled it unconstitutional. What they really nailed him on is the fact that he imported illegal materials from Japan(interstate commerce law). So basically they got him on a technicality. Whether you like it or not, visual representation of a minor engaging in sexual act is deemed illegal by the PROTECT Act. If you want to have it overturned you might try writing to your senators in the state of your residence. But once something is signed into law it takes close to an act of God to reverse it. I wouldn't hold my breath.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:34 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Guy who likes yaoi goes to jail. He's going to get enough yaoi there.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:56 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Chris's lawyer turned out to be such a douche bag. I can't believe he literally tricked the poor guy into such a crap wishy washy plea bargain.
    http://matt-thorn.com/wordpress/?p=318

    I'm writing letters to my reps in the Hill to complain. Not that they care...they signed these stupid shit laws to begin with... To top it off my reps are all the so called "conservatives" who supposedly believe in limited government. Unless of course it deals with moralistic bills or the Pentagon because then they'll endlessly throw at them all the worthless paper bills the Fed can print out.

    Comment by Jashin
    15:11 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    This just proves how bad the postal service is...

    Why the hell was he discovered? Only way he got discovered was either he opened up what he had in public or delivery guys inspected and read the manga... After reading it and not satisfied they reported the poor guy and had him arrested...

    Either way... He paid for his manga... This is just plain wrong...

    Comment by Jira
    15:42 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Idiot. Someone, somewhere, has to pay for it to begin with. How do you think people do scans? Some brave soul coughs up the money to buy it and distributes it for us unlucky souls, since its illegal for us to buy it here. Now I agree that he was idiotic for purchasing it, since he lived in US, where we all know very well, that its illegal. But don't diss people for purchasing a product to support the original artist.

    I myself love J-Rock, and I can rock out to UVERworld anytime of the day. So naturally I would import their albums to support them.

    Comment by Miroku74
    15:24 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Y'know... I love my country. America is great as far as being a melting pot of ideas and cultures....

    It's the GOVERNMENT and tinshit-logic moralfag interest groups I have with a psychotic fucking hatred for.

    Comment by jj
    09:11 27/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Good point...perhaps I should adopt this view as well

    Comment by Shadow
    17:48 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    This is bullshit.
    I suppose it means that any hentai manga I buy when I'm in Japan next year is coming in my carry-on bag with me, instead of being mailed to my house or put in my luggage, just in case. :/
    Fail, America. Fail.

    Comment by Knives
    18:06 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    why not just read it in Japan then dispose of it on the way back..... you could still get jacked if they find it in your bag.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:46 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    no need to dispose quickly. In malaysia we scanned it then we sell it for scrap paper. Everybody wins.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:05 27/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Now instead of your packages being part of random selection for screening, your luggage can be! Imagine the reactions of the TSA when they see them! Yay! No private raid for you, you can be "taken aside" in front of all those people!

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:48 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    let's all go to 4chan and ask /b/ for help to save Christopher Handley!

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:13 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    yeah i too wanted to save Christopher Handley from the hands of the evil feminists.

    Comment by Ukonkivi
    22:56 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Where was feminists ever mentioned here?

    Comment by Michio
    Comment by Holly
    18:55 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I understand why people might want to live in japan, but the japanese already dislike other races already without more people moving into japan, sure I wanted to do the same thing as well.

    But if all we do is run from our home countries then we just bring our problems wherever we run too. Put it this way, if your unhappy with how your country runs then there is bound to be people who have similar complaints like you.

    But if you let corruption and stupidity destroy your country then your only feeding the machine more fuel, as soon as one country has be successfully fucked, you think it will just stop there? No because that country will be support and something to compare too for another country trying to be successfully fucked.

    By all means if you want to leave that bad, then do so, but you aren't helping your own cause, your just making it temporarily easier on yourself until your problems catch up with you, and believe me they will.

    Sorry to bitch but it would be nice for people to stand up and fight for the things they enjoy instead of running away..

    Comment by Arokan
    18:22 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Heh.
    Living in America must suck.

    On another note, butthurt religious fags abound here ^^
    Not that I'm insulting anyone's religion, its your life, decide as you will, no discrimination and all that crap.

    Comment by Ukonkivi
    19:40 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Living in America doesn't suck.
    Most places in fact suffer from this problem.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:28 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    This law sucks. Even from a legal prospective.

    First off, it talks about the depiction of minors, but as far as I know, there is no objective criteria for what constitutes a depiction of a minor. Is it child bearing hips? Large/Developed breasts? Pubic hair? Height? Does it include non-physical minor associated traits? Does a character wearing a sailor fuku count as a minor? Does behavior have any influence? Does the presence of non-human or fantastic traits have any effect? Does a loli cat girl count as a minor?

    As it stands, it is quite possible for one to violate the law by accident due to a difference in a opinion. If one looks at an image and decides that the character depicted is a non-minor, he in theory could be arrested, charged, and convicted under the law, if the prosecutor thinks otherwise.

    Of course on the other hand, that might make this law unenforceable if it goes the other way. Since the requirement for this law is to "knowingly" obtain the images, one could make the case since he believed the characters depicted are non-minors he did not knowingly do so, and thus did not violate the law. Of course, I have no idea if that would even hold water in court, so if anyone with more legal experitse would like to weigh in....

    And lastly, the sad truth to this story is the law here is actively hurting the very same children it supposed to be protecting. By making lolicon illegal and having the same harsh sentences as real child porn, it encourages pedophiles and child abusers to look at real child porn, because if they're going to face the same sentences why not go for the real deal? This will increase the demand for real child porn and thus increase the production of child porn, leading to more child abuse.

    Comment by Ukonkivi
    23:02 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Indeed. I can't believe that someone would try to put into law something so vague.

    Comment by LanceRayne
    19:15 02/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    agree
    so we keep politicians who have their mistress' under their desk whilst deciding our future. one wonders where the good people are?
    prolly the broke indviduals that want to do something but have zero finances to do it.
    america, home of the free, dammed if your broke

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:25 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Prosecuting someone for possession of loli hentai?

    That's like prosecuting some government official for war crimes because he likes drawing imaginary people getting tortured.

    Why does this country have to be so goddamned stupid sometimes.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:13 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    The guy should claim that the loli's are depictions of his own imaginary children. He'll get convicted for imaginary child porn, which will prove that his children have rights. Then, he should ask for child support for all his imaginary loli's. He'll be in jail for 15 years, but at least he'll be rich when he gets out.

    We should all try to get child support for our imaginary children!

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:59 26/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    To get what we want, we must face challenges!

    Qui Audet Vincit (Who Dares Wins). WE MUST PERSIST!

    This message is directed to the pedobear association.

    Comment by ZippyDSMlee
    01:39 27/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    This is funny by picking on fictional stuff they make the real crime that much more less shocking and real.....

    Comment by KajunBowser
    13:35 28/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    One postmaster "randomly" chooses his yaoi manga package to look at, he/she "thinks" he/she sees shota yaoi, postmaster shat uber bricks over his/her morality. And the guy caved in!?!? I WANT MY DONATION BACK, MR. HANDLEY!!!!

    /rrrraage

    This is a sad time in the USSA. Looks like I'm not getting any manga via mail from Japan after this.

    Comment by CanadaMann
    07:27 30/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    USSA.......wwwwwwwwwwwwww

    Comment by tyciol
    17:38 06/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You donated money to the case Kajun? Or just to the CBLDF? I think the problem is that the lawyer they hired worked for Handley's interests and not the CBLDF's, he thought a plea would be better because he was convinced they would lose. They should get someone working closer with the org who knows the issues better and has confidence in VICTORY

    Comment by Anonymoot
    08:26 28/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    maybe you fags could read the article a bit closer, or do some digging into the facts around the case before barfing onto the comments page. It's pretty clear IMHO that the lawyer is/was trying to play up the 'yaoi' aspect to try and turn it into a homosexual persecution case and get him off (haha). The confession states 'specifically Japanese manga drawings of minor females being sexually abused by adult males and animals.' That's something entirely different to most people, even though it's still just drawings which SHOULD be the issue here. But the final nail in his coffin of course is the fact he was stupid enough to order them by mail! Y HELO THAR INTERSTATE COMMERCE LAWS. He deserves what he gets simply for being stupid and obvious about his interests, and then rolling over and playing dead when they caught him.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:14 26/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    One step closer to Dystopia is what is happening.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:07 09/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Possession? So if I were to accidentally order some and "Possess it" i'd have 20 years? What happened to America.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:45 07/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    According to another site, one of the titles was by Henmaru Machino, whose work is collected on the channel: http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/?tags=machino_henmaru

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:10 27/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    At this rate, North America is going to end up prosecuting more "potential child rapists" than actually saving real children from rapists.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:14 27/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI1L-yAD6X0&feature=related [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI1L-yAD6X0&feature=related]

    lol, history.

    Comment by MaidNiac
    05:10 28/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Total bullsh1t~! I watched Evil Dead when i was 6 and i didn't even get any influence crap such as chopping my hand, decapitating a possessed woman with a shovel or slicing her head with a chainsaw!

    Comment by tyciol
    17:36 06/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Speak for yourself maid, I saw American Werewolf in London as a preteen and then I went out and mauled a hiker to death with my bare hands and consumed his liver

    Comment by zeeohsix
    20:18 27/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    after reading of this Comic Book Legal Defense Fund i had pictured them somehow looking like The League of Justice.

    kinda fucked up he caved. no fucking way i'm gonna think that 15 years in prison must be better than this trial going on.

    the precedent is worst. i'd watch out with the galleries on this site.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:06 28/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    There is no precedent, at least not for most people. Handley was tried in the federal court of the Southern District of Iowa. The outcome of the case only pertains to that district of Iowa. It's a step in the wrong direction, but if you live anywhere else in the country I wouldn't start worrying yet. Besides, obscenity in the US is defined by local standards.

    Comment by Shuu
    04:49 28/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I was under the impressions that guilty pleas never set a binding precedent anyway.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:35 28/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh, yeah... since there's no actual decision from the court, that sounds right.

    Comment by tyciol
    17:36 06/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's still a precident. Obviously one that holds more sway in Iowa and similar areas but still a very worrying thing.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:45 27/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZDRDCMZbp8

    This sums up my thoughts about whole thing.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:27 27/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    this is utter crap, not the case itself, but what pisses me off is since when does the US Postal Service go around checking your shit when it´s neither
    1)ticking
    or
    2)giving dog´s scent of bombs,drugs,etc

    i mean do they have loli manga sniffing dogs now or what..and to top that off they bust into his house
    isn´t that a job for like the police,fbi,etc

    seriously..postal service is shit
    this is why you should order your loli mangas through DHL,FedEx,etc

    i mean did you see castaway...he could have opened that shit up on the island but he didnt xD

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:47 20/07/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    this is stupid is just some drawings is not like ull be raping and underage girl or something

    Comment by disgaea20
    18:35 29/08/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    what the f##k 15 danm that suck and in russia a mother sell her own dauther for sex was sentense 10 year

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:57 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    well...for all for of you, ill answer your questions simply. - why? because thats all it really takes. no this indecisve shit you guys keep posting

    - these corporate bastards and ''defense authorites'' are evil. straight as that
    and while monsters like gearge bush ''senior''
    rape and molest all the kids they want, no one lifts a finger to lock them away forever or hang them high fromt he gallows, not even for giving hitler weapons or creating conspiract on a mass scale to name some crimes.

    you ALL need to stop arguing and fighting amongst yourselfs and see that the same evil son of bitches who started the crusades witch burnings coup deta's
    of almost all other nations and defensless peoples,
    are the same ''authoritie'' ( the name just reeks of bullshit) who are in ''power'' today.

    they already ''arrest'' people with a quatrer of a life sentence for having paper with things drawn on it. what next? them being able to go in your own home and install cameras? arrest you if you dont let them put a microchip in your skin?

    you all need to look to look out of your tiny shells
    and do whatr the russians did recently.
    their bullcrap ''officals'' became too greedy and corrupt. together the people marched over towards the major heads of power, and with rocks and stones beat the police unconcious, and put everythign back int heir hands. its a unuion now.

    if you dont all take some action and help people like this man ( FOR BUYING A FUCKING COMIC BOOK!!!!!)
    if and when shit gets so bad that the U.S military murderers occupy your home and towns, and stuff like that, and you do nothing -
    youl have no one to blame but yourselves.

    you have all the power, you all have all the power to change all this. toss aside your petty things and grab sticks and stakes and torches and march to washington and force them to put someone in power whos a normal, regular good person.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:16 28/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    super vuenas las imagenes pueden conseguir imagenes de lolincon desnuda

    Comment by tyciol
    17:16 06/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Excellent image choice, that single nipple is probably enough to destroy a guy's life based on these ridiculous attitudes.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:06 12/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    If liking loli makes you a felonious pervert, I guess I'm going to Hell.

    With all the real problems the world is facing, why are they wasting time with this crap? If you want to help the children, help the real ones. The 2D cartoon characters can take care of themselves.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:35 07/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Perversion is in the eye of the beholder. A person who likes old women could call someone who is attracted to 20 year olds a 'pervert'.

    It is TOO FUCKING VIEWPOINT BASED to be allowed into our laws.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:00 23/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Clay Shirky has made it trite to say that the cost of organizing has gone through the floor. ,

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:00 23/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Rogers is building two new coal plants now. ,

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:09 02/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    THIS IS LOLIKOOOOOONNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:57 23/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    So if i were to ship Kodomo no Jikan from japan would i be arrested if they checked it? Would rin masturbating give them enough to arrest me?

    Comment by xilibrius
    16:16 23/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    The sad thing is, whenever America does get around to banning Lolicon i'd have to frag my entire hentai folder since 99.98% of the hentai out there is of characters that are under the age of 18

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:25 27/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    If they do ban it i will still be keeping my folder.
    Just got to hide it

    Comment by kira112
    08:59 03/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    omg omg dont you just wana go fck you law damn how can the be so stupit, seriously why not sort out the kiddy rapers than people with a manga book... fffffff yes i like loli n manga see nothing wrong with it cause rl children arent kawaii *hits head of table*

    Comment by tyciol
    17:24 06/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Obviously because putting together a case that actually does some fucking good and saves children is too much work, they spend so much time on computers they get fat and lazy and frustrated so they need to get some 'wins' to appease their superiors so their department keeps getting funding.

    I have total respect for the ones who look at actual evidence of crimes and coordinate with international intelligence agencies to help locate children being raped and rescue them, they're a credit, but they should stop this other shit going on giving the department a bad name by harassing thought criminals who haven't touched anyone.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:37 30/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Since when does the USPS have the power search through a person's home. Is it not ILLEGAL even for postal workers to open private mail?

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:14 21/11/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    USPS routinely searches suspect mail. The average postal worker cannot search mail, only Postal Inspectors and customs officers if it is coming from overseas. They do have clerks whose job is to pull suspect looking mail for evaluation by the Postal Inspector.

    If mail is found to be illegal, they can do a couple of different things, one is confiscate it, two is deliver it and then work with law enforcement to arrest individual receiving the mail. They do that with drugs shipped through the mail quite often.

    If the USPS is involved in a search of a persons home, the illegal item was discovered while in the USPS possession, but delivered to the addressee.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:47 27/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Man, if this shit happened in Canada he'd have been off in a flash. The US POSTAL SERVICE fucking just looked inside his mail for no reason?...

    In Canada, that constitutes an unreasonable search, which would have infringed upon his rights in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, section 8, Search and Seizure. "Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search of seizure."

    Following up, Section 24 of the Canadian Charter: Enforcement of Guaranteed Rights and Freedoms.
    24. (1) Anyone whose rights or freedoms, as guaranteed by this Charter, have been infringed or denied may apply to a court of competent jurisdiction to obtain such remedy as the court considers appropriate and just in the circumstances.
    (2) Where, in proceedings under subsection)1_, a court concludes that evidence was obtained in a manner that infringed or denied any rights or freedoms guaranteed by the circumstances, the admission of it in the proceedings would bring the administration of justice into disrepute.

    Summed up: His rights were infringed upon to obtain the evidence against him, the evidence would thereby be excluded, because it would bring the administration of justice into disrepute.

    Moral of the story: Live in Canada if you don't want the post office to get you Banned for Life due to Ero-Loli.

    Comment by Anonymoot
    08:39 28/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Canned in Banada"

    -shame you're a newfag so you didn't know that one.

    Comment by Anonymoot
    08:36 28/05/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    >>Man, if this shit happened in Canada he’d have been off in a flash. The US POSTAL SERVICE fucking just looked inside his mail for no reason?…

    In Canada, that constitutes an unreasonable search, which would have infringed upon his rights in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, section 8, Search and Seizure. “Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search of seizure.”

    lol know-nothing bullshit.

    Canada Customs has the right to open and seize any package, dumbass. And they have on numerous occasions opened and confiscated hentai manga from Japan. And people have been arrested after searches of their homes conducted after these sort of seizures.

    Here's the last one:
    http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/10/20/1270701-sun.html
    http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2005-10-20/canadian-sentenced-over-loli-porn-manga

    He got an 18-month suspended sentence, but he's still a registered sex offender because of it.

    Shame so many of you don't know shit before you open your mouths.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:38 07/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Actually, no, they don't. The first poster is exactly right, and the problem was that this idiot that you mentioned didn't CHALLENGE the illegal search.









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