Comments on: “The Anime Bubble is Burst, Moe & Fansubs are to Blame” http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/05/the-anime-bubble-is-burst-moe-fansubs-are-to-blame/ Anime, manga and games, observed from Japan Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:07:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/05/the-anime-bubble-is-burst-moe-fansubs-are-to-blame/#comment-428909 Anonymous Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:23:29 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=14887#comment-428909 I would say English is not an ugly language spoken, just that you hear it so god damn much in the west its easy to become disillusioned. By the way, im talking about REAL english spoken in most of europe and britain, not america's version with random words and letters switched around just to make it 'different' -_- However, yes, dubbing is awful in the level of quality atm and people should be shot for trying to impersonate japanese language quirks in english. Anime is a japanese thing, and transfer almost always means a lowering of quality. Except for one anime that comes to mind that was even more hillarious dubbed - Colourful, oh how we love you... I would say English is not an ugly language spoken, just that you hear it so god damn much in the west its easy to become disillusioned. By the way, im talking about REAL english spoken in most of europe and britain, not america's version with random words and letters switched around just to make it 'different' -_-
However, yes, dubbing is awful in the level of quality atm and people should be shot for trying to impersonate japanese language quirks in english. Anime is a japanese thing, and transfer almost always means a lowering of quality. Except for one anime that comes to mind that was even more hillarious dubbed - Colourful, oh how we love you...

]]> By: Hachiko http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/05/the-anime-bubble-is-burst-moe-fansubs-are-to-blame/#comment-419102 Hachiko Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:02:00 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=14887#comment-419102 Bingo, HentaiKamen. Forgive us, Johnny Carson. Bingo, HentaiKamen.
Forgive us, Johnny Carson.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/05/the-anime-bubble-is-burst-moe-fansubs-are-to-blame/#comment-412351 Anonymous Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:29:40 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=14887#comment-412351 It's not fansubs, it's this. Shitty marketing Shitty Shows Shitty charachters Shitty Animation Anime nowadays is shit, it declined with moe, I used to not think this but now I do, considering that most anime nowadays is the same re-packaged shit. Luckily I just got into it like frour years ago so I still have that pile of old stuff to go through while waiting this out. K-on was the new lucky star, and now sora no woto is the new K-on what's next? It's not fansubs, it's this.

Shitty marketing
Shitty Shows
Shitty charachters
Shitty Animation

Anime nowadays is shit, it declined with moe, I used to not think this but now I do, considering that most anime nowadays is the same re-packaged shit. Luckily I just got into it like frour years ago so I still have that pile of old stuff to go through while waiting this out.

K-on was the new lucky star, and now sora no woto is the new K-on what's next?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/05/the-anime-bubble-is-burst-moe-fansubs-are-to-blame/#comment-411730 Anonymous Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:00:08 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=14887#comment-411730 Quantity over quality? I see a lot of quality in that picture though... Quantity over quality? I see a lot of quality in that picture though...

]]> By: erochichi http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/05/the-anime-bubble-is-burst-moe-fansubs-are-to-blame/#comment-371389 erochichi Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:06:13 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=14887#comment-371389 Having watched anime since 1986, i must tell you it has been ecchi and boobs and more all the time. Go back to cartoons if this disturbs you. There is good stories & other quality available in today`s anime, as it has also been all the time. Of course too much of similar anime has been produced in last years, but i feel that it`s not more than economical problem, which will sort out itself. I like old anime as well. My all-time favourite is Urusei Yatsura. Having watched anime since 1986, i must tell you it has been ecchi and boobs and more all the time. Go back to cartoons if this disturbs you. There is good stories & other quality available in today`s anime, as it has also been all the time.
Of course too much of similar anime has been produced in last years, but i feel that it`s not more than economical problem, which will sort out itself.
I like old anime as well. My all-time favourite is Urusei Yatsura.

]]> By: erochichi http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/05/the-anime-bubble-is-burst-moe-fansubs-are-to-blame/#comment-371336 erochichi Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:39:24 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=14887#comment-371336 Never seen as much anime as i do now. Never seen as much anime as i do now.

]]> By: erochichi http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/05/the-anime-bubble-is-burst-moe-fansubs-are-to-blame/#comment-371327 erochichi Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:09:18 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=14887#comment-371327 To hell with dubs, in whatever language. Only hearing impaired can`t hear what a wonderful language Japanese is, and how skillful seiyuu`s mostly are. If ppl can`t read subs fast enough, go back to school or watch cartoons instead. Anime is too good for you. Japanese seiyuu`s voices and how they use it is an Art Form for itself. To hell with dubs, in whatever language. Only hearing impaired can`t hear what a wonderful language Japanese is, and how skillful seiyuu`s mostly are. If ppl can`t read subs fast enough, go back to school or watch cartoons instead. Anime is too good for you.
Japanese seiyuu`s voices and how they use it is an Art Form for itself.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/05/the-anime-bubble-is-burst-moe-fansubs-are-to-blame/#comment-371320 Anonymous Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:58:19 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=14887#comment-371320 My answer to most posts above: Dubbing will destroy anime! With it comes usually ridiculous censorship. Most English voice actors are not interested in anime, but money, therefore their work is mostly crap. English is a language is maybe suitable for writing, but spoken it sounds awful. Without original Japanese seiyuu`s voices all real feeling and atmosphere is lost. Many English speaking ppl seem to be unable to read subs in their own language. Go back to school and learn to read then. There is already Disney and other lousy cartoon for those who want to hear animation dialogue in English. Japanese seiyuu and their wonderful voices are an Art Form for itself. Only hearing impaired ppl doesn`t understand this. My answer to most posts above: Dubbing will destroy anime! With it comes usually ridiculous censorship. Most English voice actors are not interested in anime, but money, therefore their work is mostly crap.
English is a language is maybe suitable for writing, but spoken it sounds awful.
Without original Japanese seiyuu`s voices all real feeling and atmosphere is lost.
Many English speaking ppl seem to be unable to read subs in their own language. Go back to school and learn to read then.
There is already Disney and other lousy cartoon for those who want to hear animation dialogue in English.
Japanese seiyuu and their wonderful voices are an Art Form for itself.
Only hearing impaired ppl doesn`t understand this.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/05/the-anime-bubble-is-burst-moe-fansubs-are-to-blame/#comment-371080 Anonymous Wed, 02 Dec 2009 05:13:23 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=14887#comment-371080 A lot of anime today are airing before the manga even finishes... What do you take of them then? They can't POSSIBLY "finish" the series on TV when the mangaka himself isn't even done yet... That's why you have so many anime that felt very "incomplete...." What solution do I offer? I don't know the answer to that myself... A lot of anime today are airing before the manga even finishes... What do you take of them then?

They can't POSSIBLY "finish" the series on TV when the mangaka himself isn't even done yet...

That's why you have so many anime that felt very "incomplete...."

What solution do I offer? I don't know the answer to that myself...

]]> By: HentaiKamen http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/05/the-anime-bubble-is-burst-moe-fansubs-are-to-blame/#comment-366855 HentaiKamen Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:42:00 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=14887#comment-366855 Finally someone who isn't an idiot. It's just that simple... "There seems little doubt that the production of anime has cooled off of late: in 2000, 124 anime titles were broadcast on Japanese TV, but in 2006 this had risen precipitously to 306; in 2008 it declined to 288. The latest season sees 30 shows airing, whereas the same season in 2006 saw 60." Quote says it all. Market was just incredibly over-saturated to unrealistic levels. Most people just got bored with the same moe shit repackaged. Throw in a slowing economy and you got yourself a stagnating market for this moe shit (and even generic garbage mecha Code Geass - and while I'm ranting, fuck Clamp's stick character design). Those retards will try to blame anything and everything, from low japan birth rates to fan-subs. About time they start thinking of making some quality before expecting their sales to rise. They are lucky their production levels haven't gone back to what they were in 2000. And they keep bitching about not making enough money from licensing fees. Can't they realize that if they add professional subtitles to their anime they can sell it internationally and make a shitload more? There's plenty of people that would buy HQ blu-rays. They can also make ad revenue from streaming episodes online to people for free. Except the subtitles have to be better quality than crunchy-shit. Oh and for free. They can make plenty of money from ads. (or in the worst case scenario they can make *some* money which is better than not making anything since people will never stop torrenting) Finally someone who isn't an idiot.
It's just that simple...

"There seems little doubt that the production of anime has cooled off of late: in 2000, 124 anime titles were broadcast on Japanese TV, but in 2006 this had risen precipitously to 306; in 2008 it declined to 288. The latest season sees 30 shows airing, whereas the same season in 2006 saw 60."

Quote says it all. Market was just incredibly over-saturated to unrealistic levels. Most people just got bored with the same moe shit repackaged. Throw in a slowing economy and you got yourself a stagnating market for this moe shit (and even generic garbage mecha Code Geass - and while I'm ranting, fuck Clamp's stick character design).

Those retards will try to blame anything and everything, from low japan birth rates to fan-subs. About time they start thinking of making some quality before expecting their sales to rise. They are lucky their production levels haven't gone back to what they were in 2000.

And they keep bitching about not making enough money from licensing fees. Can't they realize that if they add professional subtitles to their anime they can sell it internationally and make a shitload more? There's plenty of people that would buy HQ blu-rays.

They can also make ad revenue from streaming episodes online to people for free. Except the subtitles have to be better quality than crunchy-shit. Oh and for free. They can make plenty of money from ads. (or in the worst case scenario they can make *some* money which is better than not making anything since people will never stop torrenting)

]]> By: HentaiKamen http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/05/the-anime-bubble-is-burst-moe-fansubs-are-to-blame/#comment-366844 HentaiKamen Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:11:18 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=14887#comment-366844 LoL. Finally someone who isn't an idiot. It's just that simple... "There seems little doubt that the production of anime has cooled off of late: in 2000, 124 anime titles were broadcast on Japanese TV, but in 2006 this had risen precipitously to 306; in 2008 it declined to 288. The latest season sees 30 shows airing, whereas the same season in 2006 saw 60." Quote says it all. Market was just incredibly over-saturated to unrealistic levels. Most people just got bored with the same moe shit repackaged. Throw in a slowing economy and you got yourself a stagnating market for this moe shit (and even generic garbage mecha Code Geass - and while I'm ranting, fuck Clamp's stick character design). Those retards will try to blame anything and everything, from low japan birth rates to fan-subs. About time they start thinking of making some quality before expecting their sales to rise. They are lucky their production levels haven't gone back to what they were in 2000. And they keep bitching about not making enough money from licensing fees. Can't they realize that if they add professional subtitles to their anime they can sell it internationally and make a shitload more? There's plenty of people that would buy HQ blu-rays. They can also make ad revenue from streaming episodes online to people for free. Except the subtitles have to be better quality than crunchy-shit. Oh and for free. They can make plenty of money from ads. (or in the worst case scenario they can make *some* money which is better than not making anything since people will never stop torrenting) LoL.
Finally someone who isn't an idiot.
It's just that simple...

"There seems little doubt that the production of anime has cooled off of late: in 2000, 124 anime titles were broadcast on Japanese TV, but in 2006 this had risen precipitously to 306; in 2008 it declined to 288. The latest season sees 30 shows airing, whereas the same season in 2006 saw 60."

Quote says it all. Market was just incredibly over-saturated to unrealistic levels. Most people just got bored with the same moe shit repackaged. Throw in a slowing economy and you got yourself a stagnating market for this moe shit (and even generic garbage mecha Code Geass - and while I'm ranting, fuck Clamp's stick character design).

Those retards will try to blame anything and everything, from low japan birth rates to fan-subs. About time they start thinking of making some quality before expecting their sales to rise. They are lucky their production levels haven't gone back to what they were in 2000.

And they keep bitching about not making enough money from licensing fees. Can't they realize that if they add professional subtitles to their anime they can sell it internationally and make a shitload more? There's plenty of people that would buy HQ blu-rays.

They can also make ad revenue from streaming episodes online to people for free. Except the subtitles have to be better quality than crunchy-shit. Oh and for free. They can make plenty of money from ads. (or in the worst case scenario they can make *some* money which is better than not making anything since people will never stop torrenting)

]]> By: HentaiKamen http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/05/the-anime-bubble-is-burst-moe-fansubs-are-to-blame/#comment-366824 HentaiKamen Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:18:02 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=14887#comment-366824 Code Geass was a piece of shit story wise. It was only popular because of Kallen and CC, and the mecha obviously. Code Geass was a piece of shit story wise.
It was only popular because of Kallen and CC, and the mecha obviously.

]]> By: HentaiKamen http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/05/the-anime-bubble-is-burst-moe-fansubs-are-to-blame/#comment-366822 HentaiKamen Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:14:20 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=14887#comment-366822 Bah-dum-tish is the drum sound effect after a punch line in comedy. Dumbasses. Bah-dum-tish is the drum sound effect after a punch line in comedy. Dumbasses.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/05/the-anime-bubble-is-burst-moe-fansubs-are-to-blame/#comment-353483 Anonymous Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:13:16 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=14887#comment-353483 The morons obviously don't understand that in a STAGNATING CUSTOMER POOL you'll get peaks of revene followed by periods of backlash, NO, they just want MOAR MONEY! MOAR EVERY FUCKING QUARTER! If the profits DROP BY 1.25% they go all apeshit and start blaming it on the customers (and pirates arrrgh, matey!). The morons obviously don't understand that in a STAGNATING CUSTOMER POOL you'll get peaks of revene followed by periods of backlash, NO, they just want MOAR MONEY! MOAR EVERY FUCKING QUARTER! If the profits DROP BY 1.25% they go all apeshit and start blaming it on the customers (and pirates arrrgh, matey!).

]]> By: Danielnoctis http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/05/the-anime-bubble-is-burst-moe-fansubs-are-to-blame/#comment-349900 Danielnoctis Sun, 08 Nov 2009 08:19:28 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=14887#comment-349900 Don't forget technology and HD. It costs a lot more men power,hard/software and payed hours to produce an anime with high-res visuals. That's probably the main reason you see less animes overall. Same thing in videogame industry too,back at '99 they released a new FF a year.(more so in snes era) XIII is now taking eternally to come out. Don't forget technology and HD.
It costs a lot more men power,hard/software and payed hours to produce an anime with high-res visuals. That's probably the main reason you see less animes overall.

Same thing in videogame industry too,back at '99 they released a new FF a year.(more so in snes era) XIII is now taking eternally to come out.

]]> By: OTIKA http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/05/the-anime-bubble-is-burst-moe-fansubs-are-to-blame/#comment-349874 OTIKA Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:42:34 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=14887#comment-349874 Stare at it long enough, and even porn gets boring. Stare at it long enough, and even porn gets boring.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/05/the-anime-bubble-is-burst-moe-fansubs-are-to-blame/#comment-339256 Anonymous Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:45:11 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=14887#comment-339256 Queens blade is an artistic triumph. An epic tour de force of surreal beauty and unparalleled drama. I'm pretty sure it will weather the storm. Queens blade is an artistic triumph. An epic tour de force of surreal beauty and unparalleled drama. I'm pretty sure it will weather the storm.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/05/the-anime-bubble-is-burst-moe-fansubs-are-to-blame/#comment-303284 Anonymous Sat, 26 Sep 2009 07:09:49 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=14887#comment-303284 The fist season moved me to tears, but I gave up on the second season after the first episode. A producer should never rehash a show like that on a slashed budget. The fist season moved me to tears, but I gave up on the second season after the first episode. A producer should never rehash a show like that on a slashed budget.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/05/the-anime-bubble-is-burst-moe-fansubs-are-to-blame/#comment-303277 Anonymous Sat, 26 Sep 2009 06:56:45 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=14887#comment-303277 There are very, very few truly novel ideas anymore. All you can do is find better ways to tell the same stories. One idea is to lower the cost and access barriers for good creative talent. Judging by the doujins and fan projects I've seen, there is enough solid creative talent out there to fill the pipes with good product. I believe that creators are locked out, priced out, grossly underplayed or forced to work outside of their creative strengths to push cheap commodity product. There are very, very few truly novel ideas anymore. All you can do is find better ways to tell the same stories.

One idea is to lower the cost and access barriers for good creative talent. Judging by the doujins and fan projects I've seen, there is enough solid creative talent out there to fill the pipes with good product. I believe that creators are locked out, priced out, grossly underplayed or forced to work outside of their creative strengths to push cheap commodity product.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/05/the-anime-bubble-is-burst-moe-fansubs-are-to-blame/#comment-303265 Anonymous Sat, 26 Sep 2009 06:47:27 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=14887#comment-303265 Market research likely gave us Gundam SEED Destiny, most GONZO shows and a nearly endless number of crap Evangelion clones. <_< Market research likely gave us Gundam SEED Destiny, most GONZO shows and a nearly endless number of crap Evangelion clones. <_<

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/05/the-anime-bubble-is-burst-moe-fansubs-are-to-blame/#comment-303262 Anonymous Sat, 26 Sep 2009 06:45:02 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=14887#comment-303262 My impression was that Michiko to Hatchin was a better fit for an American or Canadian audience. My impression was that Michiko to Hatchin was a better fit for an American or Canadian audience.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/05/the-anime-bubble-is-burst-moe-fansubs-are-to-blame/#comment-303261 Anonymous Sat, 26 Sep 2009 06:42:29 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=14887#comment-303261 I'm guessing that we have a problem of too much bandwidth, too many walking monkeys who want to be entertained, too few owners and few producers with the creative ability, licensee or resources to produce quality content. I'm guessing that we have a problem of too much bandwidth, too many walking monkeys who want to be entertained, too few owners and few producers with the creative ability, licensee or resources to produce quality content.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/05/the-anime-bubble-is-burst-moe-fansubs-are-to-blame/#comment-303259 Anonymous Sat, 26 Sep 2009 06:39:37 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=14887#comment-303259 A second season of Berserk could be quite the awesome. Heck, I would settle for a continuation of the Bastard!! OVA's. A second season of Berserk could be quite the awesome. Heck, I would settle for a continuation of the Bastard!! OVA's.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/05/the-anime-bubble-is-burst-moe-fansubs-are-to-blame/#comment-303258 Anonymous Sat, 26 Sep 2009 06:36:03 +0000 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/?p=14887#comment-303258 Japanese cartoons are, for the most part, marketed as stupid kid shit. I absolutely agree on the need for quality story writing. It's amazing how many media production companies forget the foundational importance of a solid script. Gonzo could get away with half-assed 3D every episode if they didn't hack the bloody stories, killing off dramatic tension, theme and characterization. Japanese cartoons are, for the most part, marketed as stupid kid shit.

I absolutely agree on the need for quality story writing. It's amazing how many media production companies forget the foundational importance of a solid script. Gonzo could get away with half-assed 3D every episode if they didn't hack the bloody stories, killing off dramatic tension, theme and characterization.

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