The Democratic Party of Japan is moving to support freedom of expression, proposing an amendment to the anti-loli law of last year which would overlook “simple possession” of pornography featuring underage participants, but attach harsh punishment to the commercial sale of such material.
Lolicon have naturally switched their voting preferences accordingly.
The Democrats propose amendments which would prohibit the commercial production, sale and distribution of pornography featuring minors, attaching a maximum 3 year sentence to the offence.
Other changes sought include altering “child porn” to read “items depicting juvenile sexual acts and similar”, and the inclusion of hidden camera material in the law.
However, citing the potential for abuse of search powers by the state, they propose simply possessing the material be overlooked; previously it carried a slightly reduced sentence if the materials were for satisfying “sexual curiosity”.
No mention of 2D materials is being made, which observers unanimously interpret as an unwillingness to legislate on the issue.
The ruling LDP already put off deciding whether to extend its ban to 2D images, but it seems the Democratic proposal will not target 2D, although this is not beyond doubt.
The Democrats themselves harbour many moralists and extreme feminists, and as we have seen before are quite capable of proposing highly objectionable legislation.
However, they also harbour many civil libertarians; recently some have even made vociferous rebuttals to the calumnies heaped upon Japan by the likes of UNICEF, where they claim Japan to be a “major producer” of underage porn.
As a result, the actions of the Democrats are at times rather inconsistent, but they do have generally strong credentials where civil liberties are concerned.
Of course, whether the amendment passes is another matter…
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God bless the Land of The Rising Sun, where the citizens and politicians are a lot more sane when it comes to 2D Loli =/= 3D Children..
You're still a pedophile if you fap to 2d loli
Ok, let me see if I understand well:
Japan's punishing the ditribution of 'Lolicon', though not the simple possession, right?
But this does not include the 2D, right??
So, the 2D loli distribution is not banned at all, right???
And that's how it should be.
And for us Americans... NO GAYS ALLOWED in the military! If your gay then "don’t ask (other for accepting that you're gay) and don’t tell (to the public that you're gay.")
actually Obama repealed don't ask don't tell.
Under Clinton don't ask don't tell replaced honorable discharge by reason of mental disorder (gender dismorphic)
Personally since gayness doesn't interfere with duty I think Don't ask is a better policy because you WILL be serving with some intolerant people and it's just good advice not to brag about it. The same way I don't go around wearing an "i like lolicon" shirt don't wear an "I like wieners" shirt. Talking about sex in the public in a non internet way is very rude and dangerous even.
You're a fucking idiot tingle. Stop pushing your AMERIKKKAN propaganda on a Asian Culture/Media discussion board. Go post on fucking GaiaOnline if you want to circle jerk over being a progressive buttplumber. Dipshit
Yeah. Like pedos/lolicons, gays should NOT brag the fact that they're gay. They're only asking themselves to be jeered or attacked.
"Yeah. Like pedos/lolicons, gays should NOT brag the fact that they’re gay. They’re only asking themselves to be jeered or attacked."
Yeah, because this is a sign of a healthy society. Shove it up yours.
Didn't someone just randomly bring up homosexuals in the military?
TAKE THAT UNICEF!!!
Lolis - for the great justice!
damn I just love the slogan "free loli for all"
I don't see anything wrong with 2D loli. But seriously, what 10 year old girl wants to have sex? This isn't fucking kodomo no jikan.
/worst comment ever
Well I know where I'm going, if to say lolis fall in the USA.
AWESOME
and it was posted on my birthday
the best birthday evar <3
I think this bill didn't pass and so I am sad.
This makes scene since possession dose not mean criminality, now if you make and or sell it(3D not 2D) then its time to be tossed under a buss.
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/wp-content/gallery/misc-images-xix/wet-forest-pair.jpg
FUKKEN SAVED
Good thing MikeeFag isn't posting here.
we finaly got politicals fighting on our side
Waaaaay too early to drop guard. The fight just barely started, but this gives us a fighting chance.
Wait.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is talking about *real* little kids now. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
Granted, sale is being punished, so there's no incentive to *profit* off of child exploitation, but this is still saying you can keep a record of a crime, sexual child abuse, and as long as you stick to "simple posession" and nobody caught you *while you were doing it,* you're fine.
I'll stand on the front lines defending drawn, fictional loli with anyone else, that's freedom of speech. But really, I think this is where the line should be.
Here's the flaw in your argument: a person can keep a record of their crime, and that doesn't excuse the crime. How does *having* a photograph harm anyone? It's what you do with it that matters. If a person videotapes himself committing murder, it's the murder he should be punished for, not the videotaping of it.
In fact, while still discouraging the crime itself, I could foresee justification for the law to actually encourage people who do end up committing crimes to keep a record of those crimes - just makes it easier to prove what they did and get them convicted if/when they get caught, wouldn't you say?
The bottom line is, I don't see how looking at a picture, or holding onto a picture (this is "simple" possession) constitutes a crime. If you *use* the picture for some nefarious purposes - which, you could argue, include sharing/showing it, provided that action results in some real measurable harm - then that's a different matter. But simply having it? Who are you hurting?
I'll second this statement. Saves me from having to write out my own.
I kinda agree.
I mean, it's all to possible to not be a pedophille and attain cp by accident.
But the point is, this paper IS a step in the right direction for lolicon, even if it's a step in the wrong direction for cp.
I think the real flaw behind possesion of cp is, rather than preventing sales, it just opens up a legal market, even if the means of transaction is not legal, as there is a market now, even when it's not legal.
Did you notice how the countries with the most laws in this area are some of the least safe places to be a child?
It seems not to be as simple as politicians would like it to be...
It's rather easier to catch drug adicts though.
Being a drug adict is not exactly a easy thing to hide, and drug dealers/labs, is a rather public job, being in the sale's sector and everything.
And yes, while it's very possible for the government to view what we view online, there are, in the UK, at least 20million other people who are doing the same thing, in regards to breaking the law.
Security >=/=< Liberty
Minority Report's US is by far the safest country in the world
Super man also has a hero who can deflect bullets with his eyes.
Movies != reality.
You can say the same thing about illegal drugs, it doesn't help you if you get caught.
I'm not very comfortable with the line of thinking you're bringing up here - causation and correlation and all that.
I mean, what's the alternative, then? Enstate a law that not just legalizes but *encourages* people to make child porn, which will make child porn cases plummet?
Sure, I'm assuming your real point is that laws don't have a major effect on the prevalence of this kind of thing - but the fact that people should *also* be doing something else doesn't mean they *shouldn't* do the obvious first.
To enforce Artifacts point, I remember talking to a friend about the ban on lolicon in the uk and how it would make me sad and he was just like, "Dude, I'm sending you Om's entire discography, as if the law is going to stop you."
Did you notice how the countries with the most laws in this area are some of the least safe places to be a child?
Australia has some of the strictest and yet it's a safe place to start and raise a family.
what a failed liberal thinking...
Now where is the jap supreme court to see if this is constitutional or not...
Thirded, sounds ridiculous to me. drawn is fine but real people? thats just wrong.
You people realize that the law concerns _real_ human children, right?
I agree it's a good thing they aren't legislating against 2D loli material since one can argue that it isn't really hurting anyone, but everyone getting all happy about the reinstating the right to possess the other kind of loli material is a bit... unsettling?
Yes, its truly unsettling. But at least we know who here is a "real" pedophile or can't read, OR a "real"
pedophile who can't read.
Ppl, have you no shame?
damn, beat me to the punch. <.<
People make the same arguments about 3D material.
There are already laws against making it which are far more severe than the laws being trotted out here.
In practice, it seems unlikely 2D will fare well when the atmosphere is to ban everything.
Also, recall that Japan has had some of the most lax laws in the world in this area for years, yet also has extremely low rates of crime in the same area...
I think the laws are lax because of the low crime rate, rather than the other way round.
The real issue which I think gov' over looks is not that cp can be used to groom new pedo's, but that the children involved are the ones being abused, and making something that has not yet happened illegal is far more effective in making criminals that just prosicuting those who are infact guilty of a 'sin'.
I think the traditional conservative party view of the UK is a bit of an oxymoron in this case. "All people are inanely evil, and society must be used to cure them" and "innocent till proven guilty".
Insaying this, some accounts of cp are just fucking rediculous. If you are going to make a charge for cp, then do it for people who are pedophiles, not with school children exchanging photos of each other, or looking at images of naked children of the same age. Because it is quite fucking natural to be sexualy attracted to a person you spend every day, for 11 years of your life, who is the same age as you, sexualy attractive.
I know there is a number of 16/7/8 year old girls in my college who I would gladly tap if I got the chance, and it seems I can do it legaly, as long as I don't make any video or photo evidence, but thats exactly the same thinking of an actual pedophile. "it's legal till you get caught."
(16, is the age of concent, and I am 18, so no, I'm not a pedophile.)
Took the words right of my mouth.
Doesn't change the fact that high availability has not increased crime.
In many countries you could legally be charged as one.
There's still hope for us lolicons.
Ban loli forevah!!! Castrate lolicons!!! Death to you all!!!
Don't make me write your name down...
*end of troll here*
why so srs?
Fail troll is fail
Curb Stomps to all Loliphobe Trolls!!!
I dont know what that means but it makes me hate anti-lolicons even more!
Thank you democrats! this is why democrats >republicans v.v
This is an example of a stupid post.
Currently there are five political parties in Japan:
* Liberal Democratic
* Democratic Party
* New Kōmeitō
* Communist
* Social Democratic
The Democratic Party in Japan is in fact most similar to the Republican party in America.
A retard is you kid
God bless the parliamentary representative democratic monarchy and it's multi-party system.
ALTHOUGH, The Democratic Party of Japan claims to be a social liberal party and the Liberal Democratic Party is considered centre-right conservative.
But I can see how it's easy to mix up since they're ALL FUCKING DEMOCRATIC.
and... etc.
You guys know how some countries and territories in the world love to call themselves "The Democratic Republic of this" or "The People's Democratic Republic of that" are the ones that are actually socialist, communist, or fascist dictatorships?
Same deal here. The party that styles itself as the "Liberal*cough* Democratic*cough* Party" is doing pretty horrible on both, though I suppose "liberal" kinda has a different meaning over here than it does in the US... kinda like how feminist in Japanese slang means something completely different than it does in colloquial English usage.
screw monarchies. republics FTW!!
But the system in Japan is kinda like a mix between America and the UK.
Not sure what voting system they use, but I know it consists of three branches. The Executive and the Legislative branch overlap like in the UK, but like America, the Legislative branch is made up of two houses, Representatives and Councillors.
Then you have an independant judiciary.
And I think, but I'm not certain that the Electoral system is STV+, or something similar, by which a mixture of FPTP and proportional representation are used.
And I also think that the Leg is sovereign, as long as it doesn't break the constitution, which the Jud' has the pleasure of checking.
So really, from what I can see, it's the ideal government, as looking at election results, their is never a strong dominant party, either.
There are disadvantages, but it's a very stable model of government.
American system is still better.
But there are only two which matter. And the LDP is effectively several parties unto itself, due to the clique system. Of course, none of this maps onto the American system well...
Quick primer:
Ruling rightwing coalition:
Liberal Democrats-in charge for most of the last 50 years
New Komeito-small Buddhist party
Opposition leftwing coalition:
Democrats-most likely to win next election
Communists-surprisingly moderate, willing to keep monarchy
Social Democrats-more radical than communists, on verge of extinction
Narcissist is entirely full of crap when equating the Eastern Democratic party with the Western Republican party.
And you are entirely empty of IQ when mixing another persons comment with my name.
Did you not notice me spitting on the person thinking that Democrats JP = Democrats US?
I clearly wrote "(in west)" regarding my comment on stupid Democrats, and the "This is why" refered to the stupid Democrat who thought the policital parties are the same in Japan and USA.
See? I never made a comment on Japans policital system, which I probably know better than most people here considering I have written an thesis on it during my study years. Not to mention all the stupid americans hugging the comment button.
And just for the record, I am not an American. Which most people should know if they have read my comments before.
There are not just five political parties in Japan. However, like in many other countries, only the opinions of two the parties matter: the Liberal Democrats and the Democrats. The other parties might as well just rot away.
QFT.
And it is in this sense that you can make the "comparisons" to US politics. Anyone who thinks that there are only two parties in that system has no idea of the ridiculously large (in comparison) amount of parties lumped under the "3rd" or "independent" category. Except none of those count... only the voices of the Dems and Reps.
Also, the anon who called the Democratic Party of Japan most like the Republican party of the US is the truly clueless one. While both Japan's DP and LDP have their own share of fruitcakes and feminazis, it's the LDP in general that advances things like censorship, with the Democratic Party having a more solid civil liberties record.
What Artefact said is generally true, but this means it's the LDP (right wing) that behaves most like the Republicans, and not the DP (more left in general than the LDP). The DP acts more like a political entity suffering from multiple personality disorder (as in ICD-10 F44.8 kind), but otherwise is the party to go to if you advocate civil liberties.
Thank you for spitting on this stupid person before I had to.
This is why (in west) Republicans > Democrats. Stupid brain-washed Obama worshippers.
Shut up, Americans. No one wants to hear your stupid "mommy taught me to be republican/democract" speech here. They're not the same party, any comparison is invalid. And then you can add the extreme cultural differences.
Anyway, STFU, GTFO.
So long as the whole bureaucratic process gets everything associated with banning anything even *remotely* considered lolicon so clusterfucked nine ways to Sunday, the better we'll all be for it.
This is why it takes so long for Bills and Laws to get passed in a Demockracy or Republic.
Viva La Filibuster!
I'm simply delineating how things run *here* in the US, anon.
You really need to grow up.
I don't think he was really talking to you, specifically, but rather to all persons discussing Democrats vs Republicans vs Japanese parties.
Politics, and Polichickens in particular, give me a migraine anywho. I rarely let it get me riled up.
Heh. Who knew the half-breed would be the voice of reason this time around? XD
Why are your comments always so stuck up...I guess your name explains it all.
He doesn't think, so there's no entertainment value. Like anyone with a shred of morality left in them would side with either parties in the US. Republicans > Democrats? Hitler > Satan? Pol Pot > Stalin? WTF? I'm from the deep South where it's filled with narcissists, probably explains why southerners are well-known for trying to "keep it in the family".
Why vote for the *lesser* evil?
Cthulhu for president!
Narcissist is Narcissist...pretty much a deal with it scenario...or ignore it...your choice...of course, figuring out how he thinks is always entertaining too...
You suck
Move Zig, for great justice.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Where am I gonna gets my loli from now!?!?!?
get yours home made (> o <)
lol you are an idiot.
learn2read
Did you read anything other than the headline? :P
Most commercial works will be prohibited. Makes one wonder if suddenly law enforcement will come into, say, Comiket or something trying to find lolicon doujinshi and the like.
It's not clear whether this will be the case...
Lolwut
i thought it was the US Dems...
Well, I think that it was never banned in the US, due to the freedom of expression and shit like that.
Unfortunately, no. They're too busy formatting the USA into the USSA. ;) Now, I forget which of the Japanese parties are the equivalent to our B.S. political parties, but this would make me love Japan even more now.
I was really really hoping it was too...
Nah, Obama isn't THAT cool
Me too
God bless the Democratic Process!
hell yeah
jajaja UNICEF was owned
+1
+2
NOM NOM NOM
this is a joyous day indeed. this is the first time i actually know who i'd vote for.
TAKE THAT YOU *************** UNICEF
SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK IT X3
Did Unicef ever have a chance?
I stand by my statement :D
I'm well aware of this.
Infact I would like to point out the Beako doujin as a personal fav' of mine.
http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/data/5c/9e/5c9e90109070ceaba1b3679f83a3f115.jpg
Have some bondage loli, to help pass the time.
Also I'd like to motion that we have a loli gallery :D
You sir are my new best friend :D
I wonder what is interesting in loli you sick bastards
And I wonder why you read this articles since you're not interested in loli. Lol.
I just came here to write that. I like the site because of oppai galleries, not beacause of loli articles. X3 I love young, but mature women.
-_-; ...How did you manage to get that stupid conclusion? Where did you find something about lolis with big tits?
Lolis whit big tits? EWWW... You're sicker than us.
Sure is taking the internet too seriously in here...
HEY GUIS... SRS BSNS ONLY OKAY? LIEK, THIS IS THE INTERNET. LOLIS ARE SRS BSNS, OKAY?
I MUST HAVE THE LINK TO THE GALLERY OF LOLIS WITH BIG TITS FORTHWITH! WHERE IS IT?