A nine-year-old girl who was impregnated by her stepfather and received an abortion has been at the centre of a storm of controversy in staunchly Catholic Brazil, as in response to the abortion a Catholic archbishop excommunicated the girl’s mother and the doctors who performed the procedure, saying abortion is worse than rape.
The girl is said to have been sexually assaulted by her 23-year-old stepfather, and months after began complaining of stomach pains. Her mother took her to the hospital, and doctors established that the girl was four months pregnant, with twins.
Realising that the girl’s pelvis was far too small to accommodate the delivery of the infant, and judging that the pregnancy would endanger the life of the mother, doctors recommended the pregnancy be ended. The mother assented.
“As doctors, we could not allow a girl of 9 to suffer like this, until she paid with her own life.”
The archbishop of Olinda and Recife damned all those involved in the abortion, excommunicating everyone involved: “Rape is a great sin, but abortion is an even greater sin.”
Abortion is illegal in Brazil unless “the pregnancy puts the life of the woman in serious risk, or if the pregnancy is the result of a rape”. This case was recognised as being quite legal.
The Church has since faced a storm of criticism for the decision, with even the Health Minister weighing in: “I am shocked by the radical position of this religion which, wrongly saying it is defending a life, puts another life in danger that is as important as any other.”
The stepfather who impregnated the nine-year-old was arrested and admitted to having his way with the child since she was six. He was not excommunicated.
Via Yomiuri.
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Well, being brazilian I see several things in this.
1st - ultimately, this might end up being for the best (the excomungation I mean). Like some of the doctors who were excomungated said: "We take this very happily if this means we saved the life of the 9yr old girl". Doctors saying "fuck the church, saving lives is our priority" is everything I want to hear.
2nd - I wish the priests, church, or whoever took the decision to excomungate them, would all be raped. It'd be an interesting life lesson for them.
Unfortunately, they can't get pregnant to decide over the abortion, one of the reasons why they remain so ignorant about the whole deal.
So we have a bunch of ignorant virgin idiots thinking they can decide what's best for a raped 9yr old. Yeah, makes so much sense.
3rd - the story at least served for one nice purpose: our president (Lula), while being a religious man and even being against abortion, defended the doctors on this case and said that the excommungation was too much. And IMHO, it's always nice when the president puts health over church.
4th - the church looses, puts yet another stain on their image, makes people think twice about the stuff they preach there. And I'm all for that.
Church seems to be moving back to the dark ages these days.... fortunately we live in an age of information, where people are far less ignorant.
Even here in Brazil, where we admitely have tons and tons of uneducated ignorant people, the criticism to the actions of the church were fierce.
And if this case is one more step to pro abortion and pro choice politics, hurray for that.
Ahhh...Christfaggotry at its worst!
What else is there to expect from a Catholic church?
Where raping boys is the norm. No wonder they prefer boys, kind of hard to get one pregnant.
Stupid religion. The girl and the babies would have DIED.
There are about 7 billion people on this planet. There is nothing special about 99% of us.
What would you expect from the Catholic Church, the biggest pedophile whorehouse in the world. Murderers are not excommunicated to Hell while rape victims are simply because they want to remove a parasite that was forcibly implanted into them. And the statement "abortion is worse than rape" did remind me of Thomas "Masturbationisworsethanrape" Aquinas.
Key note:
Brazilian bishops officially canceled the excommunication in the past day or so.
Now it's just a matter of the Archbishop being forced to step down.(though highly unlikely)
Quote from the article "Vatican prelate defends abortion for 9-year-old": "The Vatican teaches that anyone performing or helping someone to have an abortion is automatically excommunicated from the church, and the Vatican prelate underlined that abortion is "always condemned by moral law as an intrinsically evil act."
It is not a small issue to say the least. They were automatically exxcommunicated so there is not even a need for that fuck bishop to announce is garbabe. And sure, their "moral law" is the utlimate perfect law on the surface of this earth that their fucking god create. And note that they "always" condem abortion so I guess after the victim of rape got fuck by the criminal, they continue to got fuck by the fucking church. Now this is something "holy."
a random article on the net
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10561702 [http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10561702]
Well, and they said otaku are sick for reading hentai. Guess what people become when they read their god book called "Bible."
Some would say there is still the small issue of the Church having a policy of excommunication for this...
Got any sources for that?
Because the last time I checked, an Archbishop outranks a regular bishop, so they wouldn't have the authority to overrule him. Only a Cardinal or the Pope himself could, considering they're higher on the pecking order than an Archbishop.
Sick shit. This is why I'm against religion.
I'm from brazil,
this kind of thing is quite "popular" in poor states
like the ones in the north.
This case has become very popular, even our president Lula
said that the doctors are right doing that thing.
It's very sad.
Like i said earlier those kind of rapes, are very popular here =|.
There are a lot of people trying to fix it.
Sry 4 my english, it have been a long time since i wrote a text
Why can't all priests accept that they all human not holy figures.God doesn't even endorsed TV evangelists.
I fucking hate religion.
And I Live in Brazil.
The archbishop can go fuck himself, im sad to say that we have too much morons in this country, and they have a gift of fucking everything to everybody else.
the only thing good about this is that the stepfather was arrested ( but thats not enough), the fun part is... in brazilian prisons, when the others prisioners discovers that you messed with a child, you are automactly promote to prison bitch, they give a nice dress and...
the stepfather will suffer, he will suffer enough? i do not know, but he will be assraped multiples times everyday in the next years...
Religion > Logic.... sigh*
your wrong!
Korea > Logic!
and
Religion > LAW!
Dammnit Christianity...this is EXACTLY WHY we need to a world wide genocide...we NEED to rid the world of these f***tards before humanity can make any progress....
Yeah, that's it, we need to kill them all, right? Well my anon buddy, if you think that's the answer then just take a look at the inquisition... you would be doing the same thing all over again.
What humanity needs it's acceptance and self-control, some people find it on religions, some others find it on logic... but all that matters it's that people need to find these things on themselves, not rage and hate others, because let's accept it, it's IMPOSSIBLE to form an unique opinion and be all fine with it.
The great thing about humanity it's it diversity.
Science certainly helps a lot of people... but science also has hurt a lot of people.
Think about nuclear bombs, all the problems that now we are facing like the global warming and well... people should get the idea.
Religion... now that I think about it, the people BEHIND the religions also have committed atrocities, like I said before: the inquisition is the perfect example of this.
So my point is that the HUMANS, in their own imperfection, obviously have the risk of commit mistakes.
Don't blame the game, blame the player...
But sure, because you're such a perfect type you're out of the matter, just kill them all and hope that humanity gets out of the fucking hole that's slowly getting trapped in...
I'm not surprised by the fact that almost everyone forgot about the girl, sure, let's all talk about religion, but why don't we talk about the poor child that has been abused by her stepfather and the mother that appeared just now because the situation got out of hand.
It's human nature, and sure, if we follow logic... we should forget about love and reunite all the good genes out there and have a superior race... like Hitler said...
Humanity rocks. xD
Amen, dude. Then we also shall get rid of all Otakus and anime fans including you because Otakus like Sutomu Miyazaki and a FEW others killed a lot of little girls and women. Yea, who knows, we all will turn to the same thing like those murderers and rapists too.
(^Pure sarcasm)
KUDOS To Stepfather
The archbishop was only thinking about himself,
imagine if he approved of the abortion, that would go against their teachings, all he thinks about is his position.
And don't generalize, not all Christians are like that,twisting their belief for their own sake.
I also approve about the abortion, the girl could have a future if she could get through this.
Like some of the people here said, We are just humans.
Good. Religion can sometimes be such a speedbump. Why not just get rid of it. :P
excommunion is not issued by a bishop but by the act itself...whoever participates, approves or procures an abortion is excommunicated "latae sententiae", immediately, by virtue of the act itself...you wont receive a written paper that says you´ve been excommunicated...
I'm sure that archbishop was just as uninformed as he was ignorant. He didn't know the whole story and he just had to stick his nose in other people's affairs. But then again, looking back at the past (and present) doesn't exactly put religions in a good light. Sure, people like to escape their fears and what better way to do that than a mass psychosis (exaggeration)? I used to think religious people should just be allowed to live their lives in denial but then I realized just how much harm they do. Witchhunts, destroyed skyscrapers, and now advocating the death of 9 year old child - this are all the results of dogmatic views against critical thinking. I bet that child would have died in the 13th century, even if they had the knowledge of abortion at that time.
As a man who believes in science, I can't say for certain that a god does not exist. However, every religion I know of is based on unproven facts which are true because the believers say so, while at the same time ignoring reality. Except Buddhism which I honestly just don't understand.
Well, that it's called faith.
I'm a catholic person myself, but also I'm a person who takes science into account.
And like you said, there's no way to know if there's a God or not out there, but many people, like myself, believe on this.
The only thing that bothers me to no end is that people use the word RELIGION here and there... when the fact is that people decide what to do or not.
Mental diseases are everywhere, and this type of news it's the proof.
And by the way, any person, and I mean ANYONE can be harmful if there's power... not just religious people xD
Yeah, but only religious people can say they are killing others because the voices in their head told them too and not only get away with but be applauded
The problem with religion is not that people like the archbishop make these stupid claims that the abortion in this case was wrong, it's that because of his position, people tend to listen to him.
You have your average nutjob spouting absurd claims and everyone will see him as a nutjob, but as soon as they're religious claims, everyone suddenly thinks this nutjob might actually be right, even though his logic is no better than before.
I am thrilled the general populace criticised his views and chose wellbeing for the girl over dogma.
And THAT'S a mental disease for you, I mean almost every sick person out there has justification to kill or to make wars but sure, let's blame it on religion.
All that I'm saying is that some people here tend to generalize every single believer into the same stuff.
Just cause some guy in white ropes kill somebody or takes a wrong direction = Christianity sucks or religion sucks and... you get the point.
If people could make good arguments and talk with less "fuck" and "suck" I think the world would be a lot better that it is now.
Someone bother calling the pope about this?
Does the church understand childbirth at all? Even if the girl did give birth, I really doubt that the babies would be fine. It's bad enough for a little girl to give birth to one child but to have twins is just begging for something to go wrong. What would the archbishop say if the girl did give birth and all three of them died? Even if the babies did survive (which the girl most likely wouldn't) they're still at risk of other complications.
Fuck that stupid archbishop.
Take the stepfather with you and go to hell please,archbishop. Please.
Very sad story indeed!
And what is it with the "abortion is worse than rape" thing? Omg, how is it possible for someone in the Catholic Church to come up with such nonsense? It truly scares me that such people can have great influence. I hope everybody just wakes up soon and realises the Church is a tool for manipulation and is quite avid for publicity...
I bet she could have handled it if it weren't twins.
Religion can never reform mankind because religion is slavery
He failed to be excommunicated??????
As a Brazilian, I hope my country is imploded.
Now seriously, it's not like this everywhere in the country, but it's also not so rare, tragically.
I already complained about the narrow-mindedness of the Catholic Church (and monotheist religions in general) but the last sentence made me want to kill myself. Where's my faith in humanity now? Perhaps in Malala Yousafzai… "God" only knows…
LOL BRAZIL, dat's why i loevs living heer LOL
I swear that the churches, temples, and shrines need to just back off of cases like this. She was going to die after all. Not only was it a possibility that she'd die, but they were sure she would. Why am I complaining. The church can't do a goddamn thing about it. As for the stepfather, they should send him to prison and allow a man to have his way with him for three years.
I'm Christian, and I'm sorry to say that the archbishops of so and so should STFU.
Abortion was the only solution she was 9 and most likely would not have survived.
Fundamentalist beliefs in all it's forms is a sickening thing.
Falcon punch is a solution here but should be used on the archbishop though personally I'd prefer something involving fireants and honey as his punishment.
I read a bit into this. According to the church and their doctors, the girl could have had a C-section and potentially delivered successfully---it apparently has been done before. The doctors who performed the procedure said that the girl's life was in immediate danger---however, said doctors are also part of a movement to legalize abortion in Brazil.
It's hard to know which is correct: there have been many cases of very young girls delivering successfully via C-section (the youngest in history was actually 5 and a half); but I can also imagine that a nine-year-old girl carrying twins far beyond the first trimester would be dangerous. Both sides probably exaggerated the risks based on their beliefs: the pro-abortion doctors probably made it seem more improbable that she could deliver safely, and the church made it seem more probable than it was that she would be able to safely deliver them via C-section without risk to her own life.
There was at least one senior Vatican official who disagreed with the Bishop's excommunications: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/mar/09031811.html
I think abortion sucks, but if u take a look at this whole shit u gotta agree, i mean, with abortion they saved the life of this lil girl, and, bout the twins, i don't think they could have survived anyways.
Uh, the bible does state it's not a sin to sacrifice a life in order to save another. What the girl did was alright and definetely not a sin in any way.
Religion isnt bad. It's when you become an extremist that lose his/her judgement skills. In fact not just for religion, but extremists for any other thing is scary too.
Oh, and, sorry for the double post but, I gotta say:
Yeah, the Catholic Church is pretty backwards and ignorant in some aspects, but most "followers" don't really follow all the Church says. At least the educated ones.
That being, most people use condoms, like science, and are against the Bishop's decision.
It's the poor, uneducated people that fall for those ignorances. :/
The church is actually quite pro-science. The church supports teaching evolution, at least, if that's what you're getting at. This situation was handled poorly, but that reflects on the Archbishop, not the church as a whole.
Hi. Just to be clear to all people hating Catholics and church here in Brazil, etc. Nobody here agrees with the Bishop, but crazy extremists. My family and most of my friends are Catholic, and none agrees with his decision. Actually, he's being pretty hated.
Most Catholics are good people, and think outside religious beliefs, and would never agree with the Bishop. Unfortunately, as with EVERY religion, EVERYWHERE, we do have extremists.
The thing is, at least here in Brazil, the most extremists are actually the evangelists and protestants, not the catholics. This is just one stupid priest doing stupid things.
So, please, don't judge everybody for what one has done, because that's a pretty ignorant way of thinking.
Oh, and I'm not even catholic. But I like fairness.
i live in recife, brazil.
this fact is very serious.
the Brazil is the biggest country catholic in word, our president allow the abort. it generate a hit in the church.
Some incorrect details:
She didn't carry just a single child, she was pregnant with twins.
The doctors said her uterus was too small to expand properly for even just one child, and definitely not for two. Essentially it was a matter of either an abortion, or both the kid and the foetuses dying.
religion...
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