A nine-year-old girl who was impregnated by her stepfather and received an abortion has been at the centre of a storm of controversy in staunchly Catholic Brazil, as in response to the abortion a Catholic archbishop excommunicated the girl’s mother and the doctors who performed the procedure, saying abortion is worse than rape.
The girl is said to have been sexually assaulted by her 23-year-old stepfather, and months after began complaining of stomach pains. Her mother took her to the hospital, and doctors established that the girl was four months pregnant, with twins.
Realising that the girl’s pelvis was far too small to accommodate the delivery of the infant, and judging that the pregnancy would endanger the life of the mother, doctors recommended the pregnancy be ended. The mother assented.
“As doctors, we could not allow a girl of 9 to suffer like this, until she paid with her own life.”
The archbishop of Olinda and Recife damned all those involved in the abortion, excommunicating everyone involved: “Rape is a great sin, but abortion is an even greater sin.”
Abortion is illegal in Brazil unless “the pregnancy puts the life of the woman in serious risk, or if the pregnancy is the result of a rape”. This case was recognised as being quite legal.
The Church has since faced a storm of criticism for the decision, with even the Health Minister weighing in: “I am shocked by the radical position of this religion which, wrongly saying it is defending a life, puts another life in danger that is as important as any other.”
The stepfather who impregnated the nine-year-old was arrested and admitted to having his way with the child since she was six. He was not excommunicated.
Via Yomiuri.
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Key note:
Brazilian bishops officially canceled the excommunication in the past day or so.
Now it's just a matter of the Archbishop being forced to step down.(though highly unlikely)
Quote from the article "Vatican prelate defends abortion for 9-year-old": "The Vatican teaches that anyone performing or helping someone to have an abortion is automatically excommunicated from the church, and the Vatican prelate underlined that abortion is "always condemned by moral law as an intrinsically evil act."
It is not a small issue to say the least. They were automatically exxcommunicated so there is not even a need for that fuck bishop to announce is garbabe. And sure, their "moral law" is the utlimate perfect law on the surface of this earth that their fucking god create. And note that they "always" condem abortion so I guess after the victim of rape got fuck by the criminal, they continue to got fuck by the fucking church. Now this is something "holy."
a random article on the net
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10561702 [http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10561702]
Well, and they said otaku are sick for reading hentai. Guess what people become when they read their god book called "Bible."
Some would say there is still the small issue of the Church having a policy of excommunication for this...
Got any sources for that?
Because the last time I checked, an Archbishop outranks a regular bishop, so they wouldn't have the authority to overrule him. Only a Cardinal or the Pope himself could, considering they're higher on the pecking order than an Archbishop.
Ahhh...Christfaggotry at its worst!
Sick shit. This is why I'm against religion.
I'm from brazil,
this kind of thing is quite "popular" in poor states
like the ones in the north.
This case has become very popular, even our president Lula
said that the doctors are right doing that thing.
It's very sad.
Like i said earlier those kind of rapes, are very popular here =|.
There are a lot of people trying to fix it.
Sry 4 my english, it have been a long time since i wrote a text
Why can't all priests accept that they all human not holy figures.God doesn't even endorsed TV evangelists.
Someone bother calling the pope about this?
If you consider the unborn to have the same human worth and dignity as those who are born, then Church's position isn't so WTF.
Religion > Logic.... sigh*
your wrong!
Korea > Logic!
and
Religion > LAW!
Dammnit Christianity...this is EXACTLY WHY we need to a world wide genocide...we NEED to rid the world of these f***tards before humanity can make any progress....
Yeah, that's it, we need to kill them all, right? Well my anon buddy, if you think that's the answer then just take a look at the inquisition... you would be doing the same thing all over again.
What humanity needs it's acceptance and self-control, some people find it on religions, some others find it on logic... but all that matters it's that people need to find these things on themselves, not rage and hate others, because let's accept it, it's IMPOSSIBLE to form an unique opinion and be all fine with it.
The great thing about humanity it's it diversity.
Science certainly helps a lot of people... but science also has hurt a lot of people.
Think about nuclear bombs, all the problems that now we are facing like the global warming and well... people should get the idea.
Religion... now that I think about it, the people BEHIND the religions also have committed atrocities, like I said before: the inquisition is the perfect example of this.
So my point is that the HUMANS, in their own imperfection, obviously have the risk of commit mistakes.
Don't blame the game, blame the player...
But sure, because you're such a perfect type you're out of the matter, just kill them all and hope that humanity gets out of the fucking hole that's slowly getting trapped in...
I'm not surprised by the fact that almost everyone forgot about the girl, sure, let's all talk about religion, but why don't we talk about the poor child that has been abused by her stepfather and the mother that appeared just now because the situation got out of hand.
It's human nature, and sure, if we follow logic... we should forget about love and reunite all the good genes out there and have a superior race... like Hitler said...
Humanity rocks. xD
Amen, dude. Then we also shall get rid of all Otakus and anime fans including you because Otakus like Sutomu Miyazaki and a FEW others killed a lot of little girls and women. Yea, who knows, we all will turn to the same thing like those murderers and rapists too.
(^Pure sarcasm)
KUDOS To Stepfather
I fucking hate religion.
And I Live in Brazil.
The archbishop can go fuck himself, im sad to say that we have too much morons in this country, and they have a gift of fucking everything to everybody else.
the only thing good about this is that the stepfather was arrested ( but thats not enough), the fun part is... in brazilian prisons, when the others prisioners discovers that you messed with a child, you are automactly promote to prison bitch, they give a nice dress and...
the stepfather will suffer, he will suffer enough? i do not know, but he will be assraped multiples times everyday in the next years...
The archbishop was only thinking about himself,
imagine if he approved of the abortion, that would go against their teachings, all he thinks about is his position.
And don't generalize, not all Christians are like that,twisting their belief for their own sake.
I also approve about the abortion, the girl could have a future if she could get through this.
Like some of the people here said, We are just humans.
Good. Religion can sometimes be such a speedbump. Why not just get rid of it. :P
Well, being brazilian I see several things in this.
1st - ultimately, this might end up being for the best (the excomungation I mean). Like some of the doctors who were excomungated said: "We take this very happily if this means we saved the life of the 9yr old girl". Doctors saying "fuck the church, saving lives is our priority" is everything I want to hear.
2nd - I wish the priests, church, or whoever took the decision to excomungate them, would all be raped. It'd be an interesting life lesson for them.
Unfortunately, they can't get pregnant to decide over the abortion, one of the reasons why they remain so ignorant about the whole deal.
So we have a bunch of ignorant virgin idiots thinking they can decide what's best for a raped 9yr old. Yeah, makes so much sense.
3rd - the story at least served for one nice purpose: our president (Lula), while being a religious man and even being against abortion, defended the doctors on this case and said that the excommungation was too much. And IMHO, it's always nice when the president puts health over church.
4th - the church looses, puts yet another stain on their image, makes people think twice about the stuff they preach there. And I'm all for that.
Church seems to be moving back to the dark ages these days.... fortunately we live in an age of information, where people are far less ignorant.
Even here in Brazil, where we admitely have tons and tons of uneducated ignorant people, the criticism to the actions of the church were fierce.
And if this case is one more step to pro abortion and pro choice politics, hurray for that.
excommunion is not issued by a bishop but by the act itself...whoever participates, approves or procures an abortion is excommunicated "latae sententiae", immediately, by virtue of the act itself...you wont receive a written paper that says you´ve been excommunicated...
I'm sure that archbishop was just as uninformed as he was ignorant. He didn't know the whole story and he just had to stick his nose in other people's affairs. But then again, looking back at the past (and present) doesn't exactly put religions in a good light. Sure, people like to escape their fears and what better way to do that than a mass psychosis (exaggeration)? I used to think religious people should just be allowed to live their lives in denial but then I realized just how much harm they do. Witchhunts, destroyed skyscrapers, and now advocating the death of 9 year old child - this are all the results of dogmatic views against critical thinking. I bet that child would have died in the 13th century, even if they had the knowledge of abortion at that time.
As a man who believes in science, I can't say for certain that a god does not exist. However, every religion I know of is based on unproven facts which are true because the believers say so, while at the same time ignoring reality. Except Buddhism which I honestly just don't understand.
Well, that it's called faith.
I'm a catholic person myself, but also I'm a person who takes science into account.
And like you said, there's no way to know if there's a God or not out there, but many people, like myself, believe on this.
The only thing that bothers me to no end is that people use the word RELIGION here and there... when the fact is that people decide what to do or not.
Mental diseases are everywhere, and this type of news it's the proof.
And by the way, any person, and I mean ANYONE can be harmful if there's power... not just religious people xD
Yeah, but only religious people can say they are killing others because the voices in their head told them too and not only get away with but be applauded
The problem with religion is not that people like the archbishop make these stupid claims that the abortion in this case was wrong, it's that because of his position, people tend to listen to him.
You have your average nutjob spouting absurd claims and everyone will see him as a nutjob, but as soon as they're religious claims, everyone suddenly thinks this nutjob might actually be right, even though his logic is no better than before.
I am thrilled the general populace criticised his views and chose wellbeing for the girl over dogma.
And THAT'S a mental disease for you, I mean almost every sick person out there has justification to kill or to make wars but sure, let's blame it on religion.
All that I'm saying is that some people here tend to generalize every single believer into the same stuff.
Just cause some guy in white ropes kill somebody or takes a wrong direction = Christianity sucks or religion sucks and... you get the point.
If people could make good arguments and talk with less "fuck" and "suck" I think the world would be a lot better that it is now.
religion...
Fuck that stupid archbishop.
Does the church understand childbirth at all? Even if the girl did give birth, I really doubt that the babies would be fine. It's bad enough for a little girl to give birth to one child but to have twins is just begging for something to go wrong. What would the archbishop say if the girl did give birth and all three of them died? Even if the babies did survive (which the girl most likely wouldn't) they're still at risk of other complications.
I bet she could have handled it if it weren't twins.
Religion can never reform mankind because religion is slavery
Take the stepfather with you and go to hell please,archbishop. Please.
What else is there to expect from a Catholic church?
Where raping boys is the norm. No wonder they prefer boys, kind of hard to get one pregnant.
Stupid religion. The girl and the babies would have DIED.
There are about 7 billion people on this planet. There is nothing special about 99% of us.
wtf? why not perform a c-section instead of delivery? I mean wtf an abortion at 4 months? that's fucked up.
But it's really sad seriously what kind of father does that?
As a Brazilian, I hope my country is imploded.
Now seriously, it's not like this everywhere in the country, but it's also not so rare, tragically.
I swear that the churches, temples, and shrines need to just back off of cases like this. She was going to die after all. Not only was it a possibility that she'd die, but they were sure she would. Why am I complaining. The church can't do a goddamn thing about it. As for the stepfather, they should send him to prison and allow a man to have his way with him for three years.
LOL BRAZIL, dat's why i loevs living heer LOL
I'm pretty moderate in my political and religious beliefs; and I am "pro-existence".
In general I believe that abortion as a form of birth control is wrong, but in the cases where the mothers health, physical or mental, is at risk then that is the time for abortion. Examples would be pregnancy complications for psychical heal problems and rape for mental heal problems. This girl falls under both.
I am Christian and I whole heartily believe that this archbishop is a pompous arrogant fool. Letting that little girl die would be just as bad has raping her again. I say they excommunicate this archbishop.
"Bottom line is Believing in Jesus itself turns people evil and into narrow minded fouls. "Face facts" people only believe in god these days because there afraid of "so called hell" Thats not fate people....IT'S FEAR!!!!"
No...no...what? It's like you just started typing while your brain was taking a shower or something...
"People will kill each other over any belief, it has nothing to do with ONLY religion. It could be over race, job, opinion, etc...It's unfair to say religion is a maker of war, because it's a factor of many things. Religion brings peace to most of the world's population, whatever religion they may believe in."
You however have said what I was thinking and win many an internet *goes into the past to give you such a gift right after you post*
"its interesting to see how the little girl was treated so indifferently by the archbishop in brazil...."
And this. Of course he was indifferent, you can't make exceptions in rules no matter what. People already think of religion as hypocritical bullshit so what do you think they would say if this girl was allowed her abortion, then another female, a full grown woman, is beaten and raped multiple times, gets pregnant and tries to get an abortion only to be excommed?
You can't make exceptions in rules no matter what? Bullshit. Bullshit! Circumstances differ. People need to look at a situation and come up with a solution based on that situation.
If you have one rule for all conditions then you get 9 year old girls dying during childbirth. Fuck, if we don't need to apply common sense to consequences lets do away with the justice system and let all sentences be handed out by unfeeling, rule-following robots.
Sounds like a great system there, Einstein.
I read a bit into this. According to the church and their doctors, the girl could have had a C-section and potentially delivered successfully---it apparently has been done before. The doctors who performed the procedure said that the girl's life was in immediate danger---however, said doctors are also part of a movement to legalize abortion in Brazil.
It's hard to know which is correct: there have been many cases of very young girls delivering successfully via C-section (the youngest in history was actually 5 and a half); but I can also imagine that a nine-year-old girl carrying twins far beyond the first trimester would be dangerous. Both sides probably exaggerated the risks based on their beliefs: the pro-abortion doctors probably made it seem more improbable that she could deliver safely, and the church made it seem more probable than it was that she would be able to safely deliver them via C-section without risk to her own life.
There was at least one senior Vatican official who disagreed with the Bishop's excommunications: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/mar/09031811.html
He failed to be excommunicated??????
I'm Christian, and I'm sorry to say that the archbishops of so and so should STFU.
Abortion was the only solution she was 9 and most likely would not have survived.
Fundamentalist beliefs in all it's forms is a sickening thing.
Falcon punch is a solution here but should be used on the archbishop though personally I'd prefer something involving fireants and honey as his punishment.
i live in recife, brazil.
this fact is very serious.
the Brazil is the biggest country catholic in word, our president allow the abort. it generate a hit in the church.
Some incorrect details:
She didn't carry just a single child, she was pregnant with twins.
The doctors said her uterus was too small to expand properly for even just one child, and definitely not for two. Essentially it was a matter of either an abortion, or both the kid and the foetuses dying.
Uh, the bible does state it's not a sin to sacrifice a life in order to save another. What the girl did was alright and definetely not a sin in any way.
Religion isnt bad. It's when you become an extremist that lose his/her judgement skills. In fact not just for religion, but extremists for any other thing is scary too.
Oh, and, sorry for the double post but, I gotta say:
Yeah, the Catholic Church is pretty backwards and ignorant in some aspects, but most "followers" don't really follow all the Church says. At least the educated ones.
That being, most people use condoms, like science, and are against the Bishop's decision.
It's the poor, uneducated people that fall for those ignorances. :/
The church is actually quite pro-science. The church supports teaching evolution, at least, if that's what you're getting at. This situation was handled poorly, but that reflects on the Archbishop, not the church as a whole.
Hi. Just to be clear to all people hating Catholics and church here in Brazil, etc. Nobody here agrees with the Bishop, but crazy extremists. My family and most of my friends are Catholic, and none agrees with his decision. Actually, he's being pretty hated.
Most Catholics are good people, and think outside religious beliefs, and would never agree with the Bishop. Unfortunately, as with EVERY religion, EVERYWHERE, we do have extremists.
The thing is, at least here in Brazil, the most extremists are actually the evangelists and protestants, not the catholics. This is just one stupid priest doing stupid things.
So, please, don't judge everybody for what one has done, because that's a pretty ignorant way of thinking.
Oh, and I'm not even catholic. But I like fairness.
I think abortion sucks, but if u take a look at this whole shit u gotta agree, i mean, with abortion they saved the life of this lil girl, and, bout the twins, i don't think they could have survived anyways.
Very sad story indeed!
And what is it with the "abortion is worse than rape" thing? Omg, how is it possible for someone in the Catholic Church to come up with such nonsense? It truly scares me that such people can have great influence. I hope everybody just wakes up soon and realises the Church is a tool for manipulation and is quite avid for publicity...
@Anonymous (MikeUSA)
You are the one, who actually needs to reread the bible. It isn't separated into the old testament and new testament without reason. God could easily have made us all automatons should he choses, instead he gave us free will. A lot of the events in the old testament is influenced by Man's will. The new testament is the most important as it is when, Jesus, son of God, whom God gave full authority to, walked the earth, signifying a change and proper establishment of -GOD'S- will.
From the horse's mouth -
Matthew chp 19, 8-9
"Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery"
Mark chp 10, 11-12
"Jesus answered, anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman has commits adultery against her. And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery."
So sorry, a male does not own a marriage and he has no right to screw any woman he pleases while married. Both a male and a female has an equal and fair stake in it.
Own up your own prejudice instead of projecting things the bible did not say.
@Topic
This is completely tragic. I've read though, that in follow-up news reports that the procedure was completely successful and that the girl's life was saved. She will definitely be in need of a lot of recovery, due to the amount of scars the bastard inflicted on her. Hope the bastard will be put away for a long time and be made to reform.
And, I agree with Br_dude. It'd be nice not to bash Jesus and Christians. Just like this rapist does not stand for the whole entire male gender or human race for the matter, neither does the Right-wing evangelicals and extremists stand for all Christians and possibly Jesus. The Right-wing certainly DOES NOT stand for me. Let's have respect for each other's beliefs and values.
I'm inclined to agree with Cole here.
As for the story, I'm split. Half of me doesn't think this girl needs to suffer through death by childbirth. Another half of me doesn't condone abortion no matter what the cost.
It's times like this that really make me wonder...why do I have to be so chivalrous?
well well.. this is quite a lot of comment.. sure we shouldn't start an online petition or something?
UNICEF LOLed
Fundamentalist religious people: the bane of progress and logic since the dawn of society...
poor little girl. and the Catholic archbishop sould just mind his own business. abortions should be allowed.
Sad... That's just plain sad. T^T
The slut had it coming
WHY DOES GERMANY DO THESE THIGNS TO GOOD PEOPLE? WHY DOES GERMANY
excommunication..
ouch!
how can you live like that in a place where majority are of the same religion as you?
are their any info about how those people live now?
there*
Well thank God i'm atheist...
Wait... i just gave thanks for God's blessing.
Crap... i did it again!
Well... at least i'm a deist and not a true atheist.
Raptor Jesus, accepts all sorts of followers of the one internet.
This is a reply to all those pointing at Deut. Actually, after the coming of Christ (The New Testament) the old laws would supposedly be "obselete." For example, Christians don't need to sacrifice an animal for their sins anymore,as was stated in the old law. Christ changes that. Another example (though of less importance), in the old testament, people weren't allowed to eat pigs. But now, even Catholics do. Yes, the ten commandments still stand, but that's a different story. So... to be a "law abiding" (non hypocritical) Catholic, you must not eat pigs and forget the confession thingy in the church. Just go kill a dove or somthing.
Well, the whole idea is that the New Covenant superseded (or, to be perfectly theologically correct, "consummated") the Old one. Christians doesn't sacrifice animals because it's no longer necessary, since the whole point of animal sacrifice was to prefigure Christ's sacrifice. The eating of foods formerly considered "unclean" is specifically endorsed in the book of Acts (St. Peter has a vision of Christ showing him all sorts of unclean animals and telling him "arise, Peter, kill and eat." When he objects, he is told not to call "unclean" what God has "cleansed"). In the end, it's generally understood that the division between "clean" and "unclean" foods was primarily made to keep the Jews a separate people by preventing them from mixing too much with their pagan neighbors, whereas Christians aren't supposed to keep apart, but are supposed to "go and teach all nations." As for the Commandments, even the letter of those isn't considered binding anymore (hence why Catholics don't have a problem with "graven images" as some Protestants do, and why the observance of the sabbath among most Christians is less strict than that of the Jews), only the spirit behind them. The new law is the law of the Church, rather than the law of Moses, so one can be a "law-abiding Catholic" without being hypocritical, as long as he follows the precepts and canons of the Church.
You make a good point about why it's a bad idea for Christians to appeal to the Old Testament for their laws, though. It can be done, but one has to appeal to the spirit in which the law was given (which means getting the exegetes and theologians involved), rather than the letter of the law itself.
Indeed, Christ abolished the old covenant by sacrificing Himself for all of us. IIRC, the sacrifice of animals in the name of God for forgiveness is heresy anyways, as it required a priest whom was a direct descendant of Levi, to be instituted into priesthood by another priest.
As all the direct descendants of Levi are dead because of the sacking of Jerusalem done by the Romans...
"The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath." This is basically why the spirit of the law is mainly practiced in the Christian world.
As for appealing to the Old Testament law for guidance, that's what we as normal folk are supposed to do. I have little respect for "experts" as I have seen far too many evil things perpetuated simply because one relies on "experts". "Experts" tend to either perpetuate ignorance through not understanding, or willful dominance.
Paul said that christ got rid of the old law. Jesus said that he came NOT to abolish even ONE iota or tickmark of the old law.
YES! Exactly what should have been done here. The archbishop should have looked at the reasoning behind the law and the reasoning behind the abortion and found that the law should not be applied in this case.
News likes this one makes me so proud of myself for saying "fuck you" to religions.
well said sir, i second your notion
I third it
Excommunication is too much. Even the Pope hasn't excommunicated anybody in decades and only do so when the actions and/or conduct of the person being excommunicated is detrimental to the church - people are not excommunicated for murder. Though abortion should be frowned upon, the excommunication of the mother and doctors who only genuinely cared for the life of the child is just unjustified. This is a tragedy mainly because people could not save both the child and her children.
What if they had saved the children? What then? What happens when they grow older and ask about their conception? Who would take care of them? A nine-year old and her mother don't constantly need to be reminded of such a horrible act. The penalty should apply to the father - a sick-minded rapist.
Looks like this is a case of "archbishop gone wild", huh?
She was raped by her STEPFATHER! That in and of itself is fucking WRONG.
She is NOT of child-bearing age, so health risks would be extremely likely... and fatal ones also.
Anyone who cares more about religious ethics instead of the human ethics behind this story should kindly pull their heads out of their asses and MAYBE they'll see the bigger picture here.
Indeed, the main problem is how this girl suffered with all of this, not of an age to be able to deal with it, and the ones that help her live are excommunicated.
The step-father not being excommunicated is adding a flaming insult to injury.
Technically, they were AUTOMATICALLY excommunicated by the commission of the act, as per Canon Law ("latae sententiae" to use the Latin term - as is the case with ANYONE who procures an abortion or who performs one), the bishop himself didn't actually impose any penalty at all. All the bishop did is point out that they had incurred the canonical penalty, which he would have been remiss, as their bishop, not to do.
It's not really fair to say that rape or murder doesn't result in excommunication, either - it does, in it's own way. Rape and murder are mortal sins, which make a person unworthy to receive Communion. The only difference is that ordinary mortal sins can, generally, by absolved by a priest in the confessional, whereas a formal excommunication is usually reserved to the bishop (or in some cases the pope) to absolve.
It's certainly a difficult case, but I can see the point that it's not right to punish the innocent foetus for the sins of its father, and that it's not right either to try to be selective between the life of the mother and the life of the foetus. The fact is that a nine-year-old that's capable of becoming pregnant in the first place, while representing a high-risk pregnancy, to be sure, might very well be capable of successful delivery (at least by Caesarean section).
Also, let's be very clear that the girl herself was NOT excommunicated, on account of her age.
Iono, I think that such laws should be modified to have some exceptions like this...
Essentially, the church just punished two of its flock for doing the right thing. That's a horrible thing to do when they meant well. Shouldn't intention be accounted for more than anything else? If their friends are Catholic too, doesn't that serve to isolate them even more for an unjust reason?
"Murder of unborn children is not the right thing."
Wasn't murder. God commanded the killing of unborn children in the Bible anyway, so it can't all be wrong. Seriously, read the Old Testament, and you'll see just how common that crap was with Moses and the gang.
Also, it is not the place of a lawyer to tell anyone that a 9 year old can safely bear children. The doctors were the experts in this case, and their expert opinion was that the risk to the girls life was too great. Keep in mind that anything that would have caused her to die regarding childbirth would have also killed the fetuses. Heck, even if she didn't die, they probably would have anyway.
Murder of unborn children is not the right thing.
But watching a 9 year old girl die of torn uterus because she dared to let herself getting raped by her stepfather for the last 3 years is?
Why should abourtion be frowned upon?
Because a full DNA pattern has been defined. An organism - a human - exists.
X + Y = XY (male)
X + X = XX (female) <- If she is killed, then this is a defeat to women's rights.
"X + X = XX (female) <- If she is killed, then this is a defeat to women’s rights."
Nope, anti-women's rights men like females to exist... so they can opress them and play with them.
It's women's rights activists who want men dead.
Well, you see because it is just so happened went again the fucking belief of the religioustard as well as the commontard who belive they have every rights to a woman's body such that they (not the woman) decide if she can or can not give birth.
Woman's body...lol, I'd like to hear you say what you would think if you heard your mom considering aborting you when she was 3 months into term...thing is, this is another magic number, why is a "fetus" a NON-HUMAN just because it can't cry it's head off at you for being hungry or in pain. Why is a "fetus" magically given rights to live when it passes the birth canal and cries, thus becoming a "baby" and therefore, human.
As I dont feel anything while in the fetus of my mother, I would say I cant give you an answer.
But did you feel anything while you are still 3 month in your mother fetus? care to share how it feel like, lool like? and if you know so well those things that none can know, you must know the secret of the universe right? right?
one can hope.
lol, when did I say "feel inside" huh? What I said was wouldn't you be angry to hear that your existence might never have been even before you had a chance to be aware of your existence. Or that was the intent of what I asked. When I heard of the time my grandparents pointed a gun at my mother when I was in the womb (I have no idea how far along she was at that time) I was furious...needless to say those people were the dregs of society and I was never able to have any association with those people. From everything I have heard no loss to me though.
and the fact that you can angry is because you WAS BORN. Now if you WAS NOT BORN then you would not feel anything to begin with.
So basically according Catholic Archbishop, the girl must give birth too twins, even though she will most likely die, even though the twins have a good chance of dying. Not just that, it's possible the child and the twins will die. With all that said, she must put up with extreme pain until given birth, and even if she does manage to survive, she will most likely never walk again. Not to mention it will most likely be a pre-birth so the twins could be deformed in many ways. So all in all the Archbishop is basically saying it's your fault for being raped. What a fucking asshole, who the does he think he is too be able to say shit like this? Religions are all the same.
*cough* *cough* C-SECTION!!! *cough* *cough*
*cough* *cough* why the fuck we have to listen to some ancient crap and lies!!! *cough* *cough*
That Nana picture is actually very hot.
excommunication is far better than death or the life she'd have had if she didn't have an abortion. I'd chose it any day over popping out incest twins from a twisted step-father. Good riddance to a church that has those kinds of twisted ideas.
Since you aren't a devout Catholic you have the luxury to believe that. Excommunication is nothing short of telling these people "you are rotting in hell because we will no longer absolve you of your sins".
hey, they chose to believe in that themselve. There is always an option of saying fuck you to religion and walking away.
People feel free to rape your little daughters and make children with them. If anyone tries to go against you. DON'T worry the church is here to protect you against evil.
All Heil Raptor-Jesus?
blaming jesus is not right.
i'd blame clerics.
we're sure the last ones exist, and are mostly a trouble to others. i wish they could be like jesus, so you would be free to believe them or not. sadly, they sure exist, and they sure are such a bother.
Raptor Jesus should pay less attention to the pedobear, and deliver unto us our daily Bridget.
ALL HEIL RAPTOR JESUS!
Bible == rape vigin girl marry her.
Bible=old mistranslated piece of garbage who is interpreted in a way to easily manipulate the ignorant masses.
bible = thousands of years old. ancient crap does not prove anything to me.
Raptor Jesus should come down from Heaven and bring lots of sammiches.
Religious arguments make me hungry.
Of course, remember to thank him when he does. ^^
the Flying Spaghetti Monster shall tentacle raep teh Archibishop and the girl's stepfather in a form of retribution.
Ramen.
Damn you, fools! There is no greater sin than not recognizing the name of Raptor Jesus!
Bible == mother of all evil (and a big mountain of bullshit)
Religion has proven to be harmful to humanity and must be forgotten. Period.
Raptor Jesus should come down from heaven and kill all those religious bastards.