The UK’s decline under illiberal socialist governance continues with the news that the UK is set to ban all drawn imagery of an erotic nature where the “impression” is that a participant or onlooker is a child, or rather is “under 18”.
The ban officially brands such imagery “disgusting”.
The laws in question, coming as part of the Coroners and Justice Bill, which looks set to come into effect without difficulty, set out a complete ban on possession of drawn pornography featuring underage participants, images where “the impression conveyed … is that the person shown is a child.” In this case child is simply defined as anyone under 18 years of age.
UK law already bans “pseudo-photographs” of underage sex, referring to images which have been Photoshopped or rendered with a computer; this new law is presented as “closing a loophole” as a result.
One of the major proponents of the bill even went so far as to suggest that prosecutions should be made for simple doodles:
“Let us assume that for the purpose of this argument he and I were separately doodling the sorts of images described in the measure and that once we finished we tore them up, threw them away, and showed them to nobody. Would he expect that that doodling should lead us to be prosecuted under the clause?”
George Howarth:
“[If] somebody retrieves it, and then it is discovered that it is grossly offensive, disgusting or of an otherwise obscene character—an image that could be of such a nature that it would be solely or principally used for the purpose of sexual arousal—what he had engaged in would be improper and should not be approved of or sanctioned by the law.”
An MP raises doubts over the complete lack of evidence underlying the bill, and the lack of any victims, but is told that “all children” are victims of the drawings:
“I am a little concerned that we are legislating without any evidence, because the risk to children could increase. If the evidence showed that having images that were not photographic acted as a release, and therefore reduced the risk of harm to children, legislating could increase the risk of harm. That is why I am concerned that we are legislating without sufficient evidence.”
George Howarth:
“If the image in question is grossly offensive, disgusting or otherwise of an obscene character but does not have a child as a victim, is it not arguable that, by extension, all children are victims of that image?”
A victimless crime where all children are victims? You heard it in parliament.
No evidence of any kind is presented in support of the law or claims of the legislators.
The opposition to the bill is muted, with only amendments to change the wording of the law to cover only “publishing by any means whatsoever to another”, instead of the current blanket ban on possession proposed. Freedom of expression is not given any consideration.
The issue of how to tell the age of a character illustrated is hardly considered by the proponents either; in practice this will be left up to police, courts and juries to decide, with predictable results. Most people would likely be unable to reliably discriminate between 18-year-olds and 17-year-olds, and in fact it is legal to have sex with 16-year-olds in the UK.
An opposing MP considers the matter of age, even making specific reference to manga (although not knowing the proper word):
“Clearly, when we have a photograph of an actual person it is much easier to determine someone’s age. We can work out how old they were when the photograph was taken.
When it is an imaginary figure that is drawn, a number of concerns have been raised— including in some of the responses to the consultation—that Japanese art forms in particular are often ambiguous, so it is difficult to decide how old the figure is.
My amendment proposes to delete the entire subsection. I know the thinking behind it is obvious, but I am not sure how it can be properly implemented without pulling into it all manner of things that probably should not be illegal.
For example, images of an 18-year-old who is dressed as a child, such as Britney Spears in a pop video, clearly is not illegal. If it was a drawing, however, it could be illegal because it would be very difficult to work out whether the person in the picture was supposed to be over 18 or under 18 and dressed up as a school girl.”
Bizarrely, the minister (Maria Eagle) in response starts rambling about how such images could be used for “grooming” a child:
“One of our major concerns is that the images could be used for grooming a child in preparation for actual abuse.
Amendment 489 would remove images such as cartoons or drawings from the scope of the offence. We believe that that is an unacceptable limitation. Children see cartoon images regularly in day-to-day life.
They are a well-accepted form of entertainment for children, and the characters are often well known. An offender could easily exploit that familiarity, using explicit images created in such formats, and such graphic cartoon images could be a powerful grooming tool.
Reducing the scope of the offences described in amendment 489 by the hon. Member for Cardiff, Central could leave explicit cartoon images in circulation and open to serious misuse, and without the provision the police would be unable to remove them from people’s possession.
The amendment would create a loophole in the law and in the new offence, which would be exploited.”
She then starts rambling about the need to make illegal disgusting nekomimi shoujo:
“[The amendment proposed] provides that an image of a person should be treated as an image of a child if:
‘the predominant impression conveyed is that the person shown is a child despite the fact that some of the physical characteristics shown are not those of a child.’
I appreciate that that last point may sound unusual, but it is important to cover circumstance in which a person may try to avoid prosecution by amending the image of a child slightly—for example, by adding antennae or animal ears, and then suggesting that the subsequent image is not a child. That is a real concern.
The people who seek to exploit the provisions and to continue to create what they call legal child pornography on the internet will use every loophole to try to escape the offence. It has been carefully structured and amendment 491 could create another loophole that would render ineffective the offence that we are seeking to create.
We structured the provision carefully to capture only the images that cause concern.”
When finally pinned down as to how to determine the age of a fictional character, she is determined that no “reasonable person” have the opportunity to judge whether an image is of a child and illegal, only police and courts:
“[The amendment] would add a reasonable person test so that an image would be treated as one of a child if a reasonable person would consider the impression conveyed by the image of the person shown to be that of a child.
We believe that that test is unnecessary and unhelpful …”
The same spate of legislation also contains a variety of unrelated laws, including a ban, including criminal penalties for manslaughter, on providing information which “encourages or assists” suicide…
You can read what else the wise legislators have to say in the official transcripts of their debate.
This comes hot on the heels of the ban on fetish porn the UK recently passed into law, leaving no doubt as to the fact that UK now harbours one of the most illiberal and oppressively moralistic governments found in the developed world, with the ruling Labour Party consistly having shown no interest whatsoever in preserving essential liberties.
Controversy in the US, or the judicial ban in Australia clearly have nothing on the dedication with which UK legislators seek to stamp out sexual deviance….
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cut it out /jp/, stop spamming this board, go back to your own
here we go!!!
This law they're trying to pass isn't a law specifically targeting loli, its a law against inflammatory images which implies the UK government can decide what images can be banned, this article quoting only part of the legisation. This may pass the commons with ease, but the law lords will throw it out on the grounds infringement of artistic expression.
This is why I don't follow shitty news links on /jp/, because its full of classic news material being taken out of context.
Ok, as stated.
The Lords does not have the power to Veto anything apart from requests made by the Gov't at a longer term.
See the two Parliment Acts.
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well that's me royally screwed! -.- I was hoping they'd realized how stupid this law was and scrapped it.
that doesn't surprise me, UK has already become Big Brother
man, talk about the government sometimes being such a bitch. leave my loli alone. but in the end this law isn't really going to change much...except the fact that those brits could get owned now for being on this site :P
wow the world has comed to an end. first teh swimsuits in animes and now loli/shorta nooooooooooo. wait what if you say they are over 18 would that be still bad. is it not them saying that that the people in the drawings are under 18. so could that mean they want them to be under 18 for the own sakes. and i live in the uk so how will they track me down. if i do go off and buy soem loli/shorta manga or pics will i go to prison for it even though im under 18.
Stated age is irrelevant as they will go by how old the character appears to be. Tracking anyone down would prove impossible at present as they have enough trouble keeping track of released child abusers. I doubt anyone will go to prison over this either, with 'cheaper' cautions being the order of the day just to put the fear of God in people.
So, anyone feels the need to emigrate? As for me, I feel the need to never set step on the freaking country with the rainy weather. Damn those guys, damn them! I wish all of them an allergy to water, oh yes, I do.
Welcome to what the US has. Drawings = child rape crime. You are treated as if you actually raped a kid here for loli drawings.
This could have a negative effect.
If people are really caught and put in prison just for 2d lolicon(i think usa has it).Then those people can actualy think that if they get to prison for this 2d lolicon.Then why not rape a real child for it.Since it's all the same now.
That was exactly what came to my mind immediately. This law makes it MORE likely that real children will end up in porn. If even a drawing will land you in the slammer, why not use a real child?
These MPs are either idiots, or they WANT more children to be abused. That way they can use the excuse of the children continuing to be abused to push through even more of their ultimate agenda.
These MPs watch CP themselves and are very frustrated.
the same point is argued in Thoma's More's utopia; so it's been what? 500 years for it to sink in?
Well, at least you can cry 'First Amendment', meaning they then have to fall back on The Miller Test, which so far, hasn't been been used in any case purely involving fictional material (that's the impression I got from Wiki anyway).
lolbritain.
Feel our pain, Britain.
Oh, by the way. Will UK ban also the Koran?
Because it happens to have a loli story, when it tells how Muhamed got married 6 yo. Aysha and raped her at the age of 9.
They can't ban it.
UK will burn to the ground if that ever happens.
And nothing of value would be lost.
They were married, so it wasn't rape. Islam sets no lower age for marriage, but in deference to the Prophet's own behaviour, you're generally not expected to fuck 8 year olds.
so as Koran have loli and sex will UK ban it ? It is the laws right ?
No, had SEX with her at the age of 9, not raped her.
Total crazy shit... it ain't gonna solve hunger, and it'll just make things worse.
oh btw im always surpsised at the amount of comments when it comes to 2d loli being banned.
Well, when the main argument for banning loli is "Child porn is wrong guise", going against it would brand you as a paedophile in the eyes of the media. We could discuss semantics to death, but the truth is that if people think you are a paedophile, you can't walk past a daycare center located near your workplace without someone calling the police.
Since going against it in public is even less of a possibility than usual, and not every place even in the internet is willing to let you argue about it freely, expect a lot of talk in places where you can.
Hey, I go against it in public, and I take the label of pedosexual WILLINGLY, because that is what I am.
Surprisingly, 99% of people who I meet have no problem with me, even when they know that I am a pedosexual.
This law is so stupid it really amazes me. What makes police "more reasonable" people than others? Nothing. Hell, I'm gonna move to UK just to get a job as a police officer and say "The person on that image is clearly over 18" on every loli picture shown to me, just to fuck with this law.
This law, is the same as removing the right of expression, it goes against everything the modern society thinks of. I'm sorry to say this but I actually hope a lot of childs gets raped because of this. Why? Well, I feel sorry for the kids sure, but is there another way for "reasonable people" to see how the world really works and not how they want it to work?
With this law (and god, so many more) I've lost faith in the "leaders" of the world. Someone with a fucking brain should take leadership and do something that's actually good and useful, how did these people get these positions anyway? I'm guessing there's some "my father was here before me" thing going on, because this is just fucking...
Like, I can understand what they are trying to do, and I don't think that's wrong, but this is just stupid. They should take time and actually read this article, I wouldn't think they would learn anything useful by doing so though.
Elitist mentality mainly - you won't find many Mrs Mops in government, I can assure you, nor people like us unfortunately.
People like us do not aspire to Godhood.
People like us do not aspire to power.
People like us do not aspire to oppress others.
Plain and simple :/
Actually, considering how many politicians are grabbed for fucking a kid... I think there are a LOT more in there than you would think.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/lolicon-protection-act-of-2008
Ok, everyone who disagrees with the UK banning lolicon, sign this petition!
Thoughtcrime, here we come. =_=
I suppose it's because of Sankaku's audience that the discussion here is mostly on "lolis," but I would think that, volume-wise, there's a much larger amount of yaoi/BL comics with highschool boys in steamy sex scenes sold in the U.K. at the moment than stuff with little girls.
We really need to get the yaoi fangirl army (or better yet, fan-woman-of-voting-age army) on our side on this sort of thing.
I fail to see how people here can connect this in anyway to women's rights.
Like I said above, because militant feminism is largely behind the drive to ban any kind of porn. I mean, the DPA came into force based on a thoroughly bogus report by three of them in fact.
The business of protecting real kids is just a smokescreen anyway, for bigger grants and even harsher laws to keep 'nasty perverts' (read, all men) in line.
Bullshit.
Women deserve respect for the years and years and years and years men have mistreated them and in many countries, continue to mistreat.
There are limits here too, but in general, women deserve respect.
If anyone came up to me in real life and started ranting about "militant feminism" and "the evils of women", I'd throw them into traffic.
"You'll be free of oppressive feminists when you're dead!"
I'm a feminist. Extremist feminist groups are involved with both this legislation and the extreme porn ban. However, Feminists Against Censorship has opposed both bans.
People who oppose this law are not necessarily misogynists.
Here! Here! Now that's evidence-based argument, not like the crappy platitudes 'certain people' on here keep coming out with.
I said already that I support equal rights, but not militant feminism. These stupid cows all have serious issues where men are concerned and probably all need to be pschoanalysed. In fact, I'm sure Freud would have had a field day with the lot of them.
I'm not against feminism, quite the contrary actually. Feminism has achieved many great things in the 70s and early 80s to make our world a more liberal, equal and civilized place.
The problem is with some feminists nowadays. Those stupid cunts have lost all common sense and are disconnected from reality. Heck, that stupid bitch Carol Bellamy that headed UNICEF from 1995 to 2005 has indirectly killed 10 million children every year through pure ignorance (discouraging breast feeding (it treats women like cows), neglecting boys as being worthy of support and protection, discontinuing sexual education by UNICEF and related NGOs in 3rd world countries, and many more). Luckily, not all feminists today are like this. But those who have a say in important matters are.
This has nothing to do with women's rights anymore. Feminism nowadays doesn't fight for women's rights. If it were, it would direct it's attention to Islamic countries and the 3rd world. Women there are in serious need of help, but the great organizations with feminist influences just ignore them, and focus on the developed world, where women are technically treated equal already. And even there they don't focus on the few remaining issues, but instead fight porn and everything related to it.
I'm sorry if this offends you, there really are oppressive feminists out there. They even neglect their own followers if they are into BDSM or enjoy anal sex and deem them "traitors". Many feminists, like German Alice Schwarzer, are infamous for using militaristic language and going way over board with it to the point of pure tastelessness.
Bottom line and tl;dr: feminism in itself is good and needed, but today's feminism isn't what it was 20 years ago and has lost all connection to reality.
“You’ll be free of oppressive feminists when you’re dead!”
OR OR OR! You'll be free of opressive feminists when feminists are dead!
meh~ its UK so its a no brainer lol!
they even ban "mature" based everything(except adult porn)from games to movies so....yeah it sucks to be living there!
they might arrest you for possession of manga!
confusing it for a doujin...its not that far off i think...
this is before when i didnt read the comments..
and after i did read ALL of those uhhh...i think my brain just died in the process uuggghhh...
its like the world is indeed a hell hole!
loli banning? wuts up with this!? just because you cant tell what age that character is or shes wearing animal ears means shes under 18???
so what if shes under 18? who the hell cares!!oh so real children might become victims of...uhhh it doesnt make any sense!
so whats next prevent cats or any animal for this matter from murdering their offspring's or blaming natural selection from killing endangered animals??
im sorry if anyone is reading this i know im not making any sense or im just adding more nonsense than it already has but hey the place were living doesnt make sense either..so there for i blame humanity for everything no one is normal anymore what is normal anyway?
OK, reading all these comments was like...
...
... I'M GUNDAM! Fawk yeah!
As I have told people many times, if you don't stand up for the pedosexuals today, they are going to come for stuff near and dear to you tomorrow.
I am sure that this will be overturned in Britain however..... many judges in that country have already said that they were extremely leery of any law like this and would rule it as a violation of human rights were it to come up in front of them.
The judicary in Enland lacks power of veto, see Parliment Act 1911, and the later Parliment Act of, ok, I forget when.
But surely there must be some kind of court with the ability to rule certain laws unconstitutional?
God help us all.
No constitution.
Everything Parliment says, goes.
Only thing we have is the ECHR, and it doesn't work.
This is bullshit!!!!!
So now 2-d characters have rights. That's just perfect. Well there goes any chance for GTA 5,6,7 and so forth or Halo 4,5, so forth, Mortal Kombat and violent video games. All becasue 2-d or 3-d images have rights. All those video games grooms real people to act upon killing others and to be numb to such events.
Next stop illegal possession of violent video games.
Well I have to say as one who will be affected by this legislation i am thoroughly disgusted at this new law, it is a total farce. That response from magistrate eagle, "children recognize cartoons they see everyday". If children are watching that type of stuff that is not the least of the governments worries. But yeah, this is a TOTAL infringement upon humans right to freedom of expression. The law wont come into affect for another couple of months as it still needs final ratification, so there is still the most infinitesimal chance that someone with common sense and whos head isnt so far up their own arse that they could kiss their own tonsils, will see it and put a stop to this travesty, but that looks HIGHLY unlikely at this stage in the game...
It will probably take until the end of the year, depending on how much of a stink The Lords kick up over things. Either way, I totally agree with everything you say since I too, will be adversely affected by this law.
Pedophiles don't deserve freedom of expression.
Freedom of expression should have limits, just like everything else.
Freedom of expression may only be limited when others are harmed. Researchers and philosophers have yet to prove that such a thing is even possible. Liberalism, the very thing that brought to you those basic civil rights, has the harm principle at the core of all it's theories. If you don't even get the basic concepts of liberalism you shouldn't comment on what rights need to be limited under what circumstances.
Also, you're obviously too brain dead to comprehend that ALL of anime/manga will be affected. How many series have underage characters in ecchi situations?
Seriously, I think stupid fucks like you don't deserve freedom of expression.
I'm not in the mood for this shit today.
Yes, all anime/manga will probably be affected. That is, if they choose to care.
Fact is they can't police this as well as they think they can.
Want a situation where freedom of expression can be harmful, fucktard?
What about any work that's, say, obviously racist? Like the blackface shit you saw back in the 30's? That's pretty damn harmful.
If Kaisos is talking about the black & white minstrel show, that show was basically about black men seducing white women. It was embarassing because of the blackface and because it evoked stereotypes, but it wasn't harmful to blacks and in fact romanticised them.
But no, this isn't an issue of free speech. If they banned the distribution of certain manga, that would be a restriction of free speech - but the Obscene Publications Act already does that.
This is a possession law, which means that if you draw a forbidden sketch in your private diary, you can be prosecuted for it. Your diary is not speech unless it's published. It's a private expression of thought. This is thoughtcrime.
I should also point out that this does not only affect paedophiles, but pictures of adults in school uniform, or of legal sexual acts with 17 year old characters. So you can do it, but you can't draw it.
It's true, they won't be able to police this. They have no intention of policing this. Rather, they will use this to (as the Register puts it) imprison "people the police want to 'do something about'".
Kaisos only has one point, and that is on the top of his head.
If you don't like it, don't look at it! Me personally, I hate violent movies, but instead of catawalling to the BBFC's website to get them banned, I just don't watch them instead.
Maybe you should do the same with loli and stop telling everyone how much you hate it because, quite frankly, you're pissing me off now. Also, stop using the word paedophile until you learn exactly what it means.
I can see that Kaisos kinda has a point, but he's going about it wrong.
Freedom of speech won't help you when you shout "Fire!" in a movie theater and cause a panic.
If they ban loli in my Country and I am not able too have
my collection, I will suicide.
And I am not joking...
In this ugly world those sweet drawings are the only things
than can relieve me a little.
Really, I am serious.
I understand ya, if I had no girlfriend I could share my thoughts with (especially about such pics), I would drive insane!
It all boils down to social utility. The only people affected are those that like Lolicon. Sure, Child Pornography should be banned, but this isn't really child pornography as per se, that is, no single child is actually being exposed. A drawing is a drawing.
The UK just has a problem with pornography on the whole. British people will know when I mention about artworks should be covered up because of nudity.
A drawn character has no real age, his author could say its age is anything between a newborn or a million years old. It is really dangerous when legislators intend to convert in crime the people's phantasies, they are acting more like radical religious than legislators.
Is loli actually against the law yet? Or is it still pending?
Is the world a fascist dictatorship now? Why the fuck is every country so fucking against anything of a sexual nature? If things keep going this wa=y i'm gonna habve to brush up on my h4x0r skills and start trolling and fucking with the governments of the world.
Permission to be your highly pissed-off female sidekick? :3
"A victimless crime where all children are victims?"
A Good Point. This sum up the situation, where the agenda preceeds logics.
I can understand the underlining sentiment of such banning, however the logic don't work out. And if logic fails it should not be law. And if logics are discarded in the law making process, then consider a downward spiral for the Kingdom from then, because everyone would have their own idea of what's moral, law making by then will become a battle of numbers to gain political advantages, not a process to deal with real issues.
I find the UK jumping on the cencorship wagon quite amusing like the UK acting like a lost cause trying to ban someones interest simply because they do not like it. Well what if i was to ban football because it was so damn stupid and causes so many bloodbath fights at footbal arenas which sometimes result in death simply because one fan of a football team didnt like the other fan of the opposing team, see a lot of things in the UK are just as wrong as trying to ban this i find football sometimes annoying because it spawns chavs which are the Uk's form of most annoying scum who love to beat the crap into peple because they simply look at them funny.
Anyway back onto the point i find the UK banning loli is a stupid childish idea because quite simply ITS JUST AN ANIMATION NOT FREAKING REAL BREATHING PEOPLE WHO WALK AMONG US. I mean the people going against this must be nuts or indeed mental to call a drawing a real person its almost like saying "yes indeed there exists someone who looks just like rei ayanami who acts like a complete emo and just loves ending mankind with unimaginable power".
The UK is the latest in this ongoing trend of bad censorship.
it is the respectful Jennifer Willott help defending loli community, i respect her.
"For example, images of an 18-year-old who is dressed as a child, such as Britney Spears in a pop video, clearly is not illegal."
This quote has no meaning. Why? Because if I'm 25 years old who goes at a motel at UK with my 25-years old girlfriend who looks like 14-years old girl I'll probably have problem with the police until she shows them her identification card.
You see, even at real life you never knows if the girl in front of is underrage or not. And I have met lots of examples.
"Liberal" is anti-opressive.
The UK is fiscally liberal, but
the UK is socially CONSERVATIVE.
BANNED IN THE UK
we know this is legal, until we got up in jail.
I have one thing to say:
Fuck you I won't do what you tell me.
This is an outrage for UK civilians everywhere. its considered a limit of our freedom as a human being. the US wont ban them because of one thing
FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION. if my government DARES to make a law such as that shit. I would personally go on strike because if their stupidity. now the parliment here is just fucking idiots. its like saying. you are not allowed to watch anime because "its disgusting". seriously do these people have a brain here? I guess not. I hope this gets reverted
I know there's alot of people that might hate me for this- But seriously?
Who cares?
I can't understand loli AT ALL.
I know people have certain preferences but loli is really just odd. Like wrong odd.
I wouldn't say it's disgusting- just that it's not exactly boner inducing. It's just weird.
I see posts all the time - "More loli!"
It's weird.
What else is EVEN weirder though is that in the UK recently there's been an ad campaign for dairy milk chocolate with a totally sexualized rabbit. It's like softcore furry porn on posters and in the papers. That really pissed me off.
Who cares you say? have you not read any of these comments you fucking moron.
Please mom, pllllllleease send a very large rock into this planet just large enough to wipe out the current society of humanity.
The bullshit is getting overwhelming.
We seriously need mother nature to do her thing and do it fast.
in 2 years it will be over
And we haven't even talked about the Japanese buddhist tradition to have sex with lil' boys - 'cause monks were not allowed to have sex with women but noone said a word about boys...
Or there's Oda Nobunaga who first met his 'right hand', Mori Ranmaru as the boy was six...And they had a sexual relationship until Ranmaru turned 18...
'Putto' angels ( the naked kids with wings ) on paintings are really shotacon...I never really understood their function...
Also, there is one painter - I guess renessaince era( Sry can't remember his name at the moment ) - who made nude pictures of a 13-14 yr old girl, who he had a crush on...
Why did I had to study about that if loli is such a crime?
Ah, well...We can discuss this until ages but it won't help...Loli faces ban all over the world...
This is SUCH bullshit. I'd like to as Sankakucomplex.com where the fuck they got this article from? Provide links to your sources because i find this SO hard to beleive.
There are a billion loopholes in this "legislation" and its complete bollocks. A site that has porn images down either side of the page, and we're supposed to beleive that this article is true? Fuck off!
So what? is this actually illegal now??
or has it not been passed yet?
I think what pisses me off , is the fact that its totally somthing you cant ever put a label on.
It's all a matter of opinion and how you view it.
But to be honest if you find a picture that somebody drew to be dangerous or offensive or even discusting no one is forcing you to look at it , clearly its better to have that than people looking at REAL children for christ sake!
IS THIS LAW PASSED YET?
can we get confirmation?
What will i do with my videos now... i have to keep them well hidden. Damn thats why i hate this place.
Anyway i wouldnt vote for Lib Dems either since they wont do anything to get the law revoked (thats just how they are i guess). If we want to get the law revoked its gong to have to be good old english stike XD and appeal for binding referendum. Unforetuately the overall opinion (towards the public) is that porn is bad, any form of porn that even hints at children is social death. So unless we vote in some mediocre party like Monster RavingLunatic Party and get them to change the vote, i'll just have to hide my pics/vids and wait a few more years before leaving this country.
Norsefire, anyone?
Wow. Banning fetish porn, guns, and knives. Cameras everywhere while restricting the average person's ability to photograph. George Orwell was off by more than a few decades. 1984 anyone?
All UK otaku should vote for the Liberal Democrats. They're our only chance. If the Conservatives make it into power, they'll screw us over even worse than Labour have. They may not like ID cards and CCTV as much as Labour, but they sure as hell love censoring the media even more.
The Lib Dems may not be perfect, but at least they hate censorship. At the end of the day, I just want to be able to enjoy loli material in the comfort of my own home, not jail.
wow....what is this shit?
i think medling women should get back in the kitchen
(yes im talking to you female mp lady)
What are you all talking the shit out guys!!! is that the effect of shit in your brains????!!!! why are you discussing of this such matter... you know already the CROOKED POLITICS....!!! anywhere there is always a CCCCRRROOOOOKKKKEEEDDD POLITICS AND A CCCRRRROOOOKKKKEEEDDD LLLLAAAAWWWW.... we are already mature to think about that .... and
one thing!!!!
why does marijuana are LEGALLY exposed there??? meanwhile only a TV entertainment is ban for being
blamed of exposure of "CHILDREN" "LOLI" "ARE" "FUCKED UP" are they fucking us up?!!
damn realize the politics in the world....
we should be UNDERSTTTAAAAAANNNNDDDDDIIIINNNNGGGG...
just a comment no personal aggression....
Labour hasn't been a socialist party since the mid-80s. They're illiberal and this is one reason for their deep unpopularity, but this unrestrained statism should not be associated with Britain's proud (albeit dead) socialist tradition. It was the Conservatives, during their 18 years in power before Labour, who oversaw mass censorship of TV and radio using similarly 'moral' excuses. Labour moved more to the right and now they too seek to appeal to the social conservative/'think of the children' crowd.
British democracy is, in general, a complete joke. The problem is systemic, not party-political.
In the US, this sort of law would undoubtedly be brought to the supreme court ere long on grounds that it is unconstitutional. I believe we recently had a case akin to this where there was some "child porn" of a woman who was really 18 but was dolled up to look younger. Plus some others that were photoshopped.
I know that the supreme court struck the law down as unconstitutional the first time, but I think some superficial alteration made it pass after Dubya got his two religious nutjobs on the bench.
But still, at least we have this recourse, and the justices are usually pretty good about abiding by the true spirit of the constitution, no matter their political affiliation.
Does the UK have any safeguards like this in place?
If you check out Wiki, you see The Protect Act has a clause that excludes drawings providing they pass The Miller Test for obscenity. Effectively, this means loli isn't illegal in the States.
To answer your question as well, we do have the Human Rights Authority and The European Court of Human Rights. However, Britain is notorious for ignoring their rulings, plus it's bloody expensive to bring a case before these courts in the first place.
Ok, the U.K. government officially SUCKS. I'm not going there anymore.
If I were a U.K. citizen, I'd now cram my harddisk full of lolicon, just to PROTEST.
AMEN! I'm glad I don't live in that POLICE STATE. They have 1 camera in London for every 4 people. That's fucked up.
This doesn't affect all those eroge that say "all lolis in this game are 18 years or older" right?
It's what the government thinks rather than what anyone else thinks, it looks like.
Again, it's really difficult to police this, though.
Yay, Beako!
;D
good loli is disgusting anyways. i agree completely
Fool