The UK’s decline under illiberal socialist governance continues with the news that the UK is set to ban all drawn imagery of an erotic nature where the “impression” is that a participant or onlooker is a child, or rather is “under 18”.
The ban officially brands such imagery “disgusting”.
The laws in question, coming as part of the Coroners and Justice Bill, which looks set to come into effect without difficulty, set out a complete ban on possession of drawn pornography featuring underage participants, images where “the impression conveyed … is that the person shown is a child.” In this case child is simply defined as anyone under 18 years of age.
UK law already bans “pseudo-photographs” of underage sex, referring to images which have been Photoshopped or rendered with a computer; this new law is presented as “closing a loophole” as a result.
One of the major proponents of the bill even went so far as to suggest that prosecutions should be made for simple doodles:
“Let us assume that for the purpose of this argument he and I were separately doodling the sorts of images described in the measure and that once we finished we tore them up, threw them away, and showed them to nobody. Would he expect that that doodling should lead us to be prosecuted under the clause?”
George Howarth:
“[If] somebody retrieves it, and then it is discovered that it is grossly offensive, disgusting or of an otherwise obscene character—an image that could be of such a nature that it would be solely or principally used for the purpose of sexual arousal—what he had engaged in would be improper and should not be approved of or sanctioned by the law.”
An MP raises doubts over the complete lack of evidence underlying the bill, and the lack of any victims, but is told that “all children” are victims of the drawings:
“I am a little concerned that we are legislating without any evidence, because the risk to children could increase. If the evidence showed that having images that were not photographic acted as a release, and therefore reduced the risk of harm to children, legislating could increase the risk of harm. That is why I am concerned that we are legislating without sufficient evidence.”
George Howarth:
“If the image in question is grossly offensive, disgusting or otherwise of an obscene character but does not have a child as a victim, is it not arguable that, by extension, all children are victims of that image?”
A victimless crime where all children are victims? You heard it in parliament.
No evidence of any kind is presented in support of the law or claims of the legislators.
The opposition to the bill is muted, with only amendments to change the wording of the law to cover only “publishing by any means whatsoever to another”, instead of the current blanket ban on possession proposed. Freedom of expression is not given any consideration.
The issue of how to tell the age of a character illustrated is hardly considered by the proponents either; in practice this will be left up to police, courts and juries to decide, with predictable results. Most people would likely be unable to reliably discriminate between 18-year-olds and 17-year-olds, and in fact it is legal to have sex with 16-year-olds in the UK.
An opposing MP considers the matter of age, even making specific reference to manga (although not knowing the proper word):
“Clearly, when we have a photograph of an actual person it is much easier to determine someone’s age. We can work out how old they were when the photograph was taken.
When it is an imaginary figure that is drawn, a number of concerns have been raised— including in some of the responses to the consultation—that Japanese art forms in particular are often ambiguous, so it is difficult to decide how old the figure is.
My amendment proposes to delete the entire subsection. I know the thinking behind it is obvious, but I am not sure how it can be properly implemented without pulling into it all manner of things that probably should not be illegal.
For example, images of an 18-year-old who is dressed as a child, such as Britney Spears in a pop video, clearly is not illegal. If it was a drawing, however, it could be illegal because it would be very difficult to work out whether the person in the picture was supposed to be over 18 or under 18 and dressed up as a school girl.”
Bizarrely, the minister (Maria Eagle) in response starts rambling about how such images could be used for “grooming” a child:
“One of our major concerns is that the images could be used for grooming a child in preparation for actual abuse.
Amendment 489 would remove images such as cartoons or drawings from the scope of the offence. We believe that that is an unacceptable limitation. Children see cartoon images regularly in day-to-day life.
They are a well-accepted form of entertainment for children, and the characters are often well known. An offender could easily exploit that familiarity, using explicit images created in such formats, and such graphic cartoon images could be a powerful grooming tool.
Reducing the scope of the offences described in amendment 489 by the hon. Member for Cardiff, Central could leave explicit cartoon images in circulation and open to serious misuse, and without the provision the police would be unable to remove them from people’s possession.
The amendment would create a loophole in the law and in the new offence, which would be exploited.”
She then starts rambling about the need to make illegal disgusting nekomimi shoujo:
“[The amendment proposed] provides that an image of a person should be treated as an image of a child if:
‘the predominant impression conveyed is that the person shown is a child despite the fact that some of the physical characteristics shown are not those of a child.’
I appreciate that that last point may sound unusual, but it is important to cover circumstance in which a person may try to avoid prosecution by amending the image of a child slightly—for example, by adding antennae or animal ears, and then suggesting that the subsequent image is not a child. That is a real concern.
The people who seek to exploit the provisions and to continue to create what they call legal child pornography on the internet will use every loophole to try to escape the offence. It has been carefully structured and amendment 491 could create another loophole that would render ineffective the offence that we are seeking to create.
We structured the provision carefully to capture only the images that cause concern.”
When finally pinned down as to how to determine the age of a fictional character, she is determined that no “reasonable person” have the opportunity to judge whether an image is of a child and illegal, only police and courts:
“[The amendment] would add a reasonable person test so that an image would be treated as one of a child if a reasonable person would consider the impression conveyed by the image of the person shown to be that of a child.
We believe that that test is unnecessary and unhelpful …”
The same spate of legislation also contains a variety of unrelated laws, including a ban, including criminal penalties for manslaughter, on providing information which “encourages or assists” suicide…
You can read what else the wise legislators have to say in the official transcripts of their debate.
This comes hot on the heels of the ban on fetish porn the UK recently passed into law, leaving no doubt as to the fact that UK now harbours one of the most illiberal and oppressively moralistic governments found in the developed world, with the ruling Labour Party consistly having shown no interest whatsoever in preserving essential liberties.
Controversy in the US, or the judicial ban in Australia clearly have nothing on the dedication with which UK legislators seek to stamp out sexual deviance….
And then we have posters who barely even read the article. Excuse me for having to state it, considering this post can include me. I guess it's to be expected with a growing population, especially Sankaku's.
Is there a point to this utterance?
Just had a small bit of intrigue, even though it's barely uncommon. Articles with plenty of content, lengthy videos, and etc can have people that simply aim for a certain post location using quick replies. I know you've mentioned trying to reduce these, and I've seen some said posts disappear, but alas, can't expect it not to happen. Guess I had no luck catching some.
wtf are you talking about.
You can help combat these vapid comments by actually making insightful comments relevant to the article.
Are you high, man?
Only meant it as a single trial. A fair amount of the population now accumulating here have come from a certain place. They have these tendencies evidenced by even the IRC chan ever since you announced it more widely. Just was a bit too much to see.
Honestly not really my sort of article, but hey, I'll bite now. To me discussion of laws are fairly tiring. There's so many of them that are nonsensical. This leads to a wise decision of keeping quiet when questioned by authority.
In this manner, less attention means less nitpicking. The topic has become too widespread, maybe making it easy prey for things like this. Hell, with having the existence of something gender specific like the Queen's Counsel, it may be even more susceptible.
Dude, get your finger out of your arse and make a useful comment or gtfo
As for the article I think this is ridiculous, as mentioned, the main issue would be stating the age of the character
What if I drew an Evangeline from Negima and put "Age: 300 Race: Vampire" at the bottom of the page, would that be acceptable? I mean any resonable person could read that she's over 18 could they not?
I don't know if you just missed mine due to the amount available to read in the article and the comments, so whatever. Just as nothing escapes "Anonymous", you could say the same goes for law. If tested enough, it'll just scavenge at every loose aspect to keep a hold. You can't battle against sheer number, even if each opponent is weak.
F O E, I have this felling that you are saying something important but is it just my bad english or you are using a super saiyan form of speak?
Congratulations for finding out how to remove meaning from words. GTFO.
Hail the coming of 18 year olds that look 10! <3
If you don't understand, that's not his problem at all.
Wow, so angsty. If you don't understand, that's not his problem at all.
Where's my law banning all but sex in the missionary position for the sole purpose of procreation?
TLDR
ALL HAIL TO LOLI
So, according to your words FOE, we're supposed to hide and cower, instead of taking direct political interest in what applies to us, because being vocal will only get us caught and in jail?
That's not how civil rights works at all! Get some gall!
Also, people get used to posting. And get 'into it' and post, before fully getting the stuff into their system. And that was indeed a decent read, more than a lot of people may have the immediate attention for. People just want to get in and be a part of it and learn the details later. Which is sometimes better than lurking.
I, personally, read the whole thing before posting. Because it was indeed an important and interesting read. But I often don't do such nor would I expect myself.
Now, time to read the rest of the comments further down.
Anonymous talking about Evangeline, this point is moot already as the previous ban restricts corpse sex. Vampires are undead. Too bad so sad. :/
Ah Yep...
So is the UK now going to bulldoze down all the Catholic & Anglican churches adorned with those "disgusting" paintings & icons showing proud and lewd display of the genitals of cherubs, the infant Jesus and the infant John the Baptist? According to Parliment they're children too, regardless of birdwings.
I take it famous Modern artists of prior generations such as Balthus and his Guitar Lesson won't fare too well under the latest installment of UK insanity.
Looks like UK Museums & Galleries are going to have to banish all historical Fine Art showing nekkid Loli (UK definition)
admiring and accosting nekkid Adult females in a sensual/erotic context as:
The Birth of Venus Alexandre Cabanel; The Birth of Venus William-Adolphe Bouguereau; The Birth of Venus Eduard Steinbruck; The Birth of Venus George-Spencer-Watson; The Birth of Venus Jacques Charlier; The Birth of Venus Francois Boucher; The Invasion by William-Adolphe Bouguereau; Galleria Sabauda Turin Museum "cherub rumble"; Return of spring le printemps William-Adolphe Bouguereau; The Motherland William-Adolphe Bouguereau; Cupid and psyche as children kissing William-Adolphe Bouguereau; Love Conquers All William-Adolphe Bouguereau; Young girl defending against Eros William-Adolphe Bouguereau; Young Woman Contemplating Two Embracing Children William-Adolphe Bouguereau; L Amour s envole William-Adolphe Bouguereau; Bacchus and the Nymphs William-Adolphe Bouguereau; Cupidon William-Adolphe Bouguereau; Slave Market Gerome; Young Girl In The Tub Theo van Rysselberghe etc. etc.
....Yah. This man is high as hell.
I, for one, found the article pretty informative.
I am now informed enough to say that without a doubt, Parliament is stupid.
Yup, I agree
It took this to inform you?
I've known it since I was ~6.
You needed this to convince you?
Sucessful troll was sucessful
I read it - seems that Parliment thinks that producers of "Anime" sit in a smoke filled dark room salivating on how many real life Loli they can get raep'd with their next cartoon release by putting antennae or cat ears on the characters.
Rather than that they are Artists with a fine Craft looking to get away from the boring same old and acquire some fame and increased sales with some fresh character development.
So no one spoke up at the hearing to say that bug-eyed manga characters have closer genetic affinity to the Alien Greys, than to any human child they have ever seen in real life. Common sense with that alone means they aren't human.
Won't anybody thing of the Alien children?!
So, are the "girl"? Centaurs from Fantasia with their tiny ta-tas (Hayes Code made Walt Disney remove their Nips) now Loli too?
Are they Children too?
So now we must save the animal children too?
So little ta-ta cute manga Centaurs with cutsy "My little pony" bodies offering their horse heinie to the big Man Centaurs 24" horsey schlong is now felony CHILD porn?
Where will this madness in feminazi nanny state Britain end... I hear they just outlawed public ownership of swords?
So Georgie & Maria, let me get this right...
I can film (using government-taxpayer funds) for the BBC broadcasting nationwide a documentary on the bisexual and inter-generational sexual activity of the Bonobo chimps..
But if I dare create or show an Anime or Hentai Manga
(using cartoon ape characters not uncommon in Hentai) of the same Bonobo chimps going at it in inter-generational sexual activity,
then that is illegal Loli with a three year sentence???
With batshit individuals like them & Equality Now it is bound to be any drawn animals engaging in inter-generational sex (which occurs widespread in Nature among many species) as being illegal Loli.
Question is, how are they going to determine how an animal is under 18..?
Wow, just wow.
The UK parliament should be proud, they are making George Orwell's "1984" a reality.
That is what you get with a country that is concerned with what women want and doesn't give a damn about Men.
No, it has nothing to do with men and women. A majority of people just don't like it. It's foolish though. It's like banning cauliflower because a lot of people don't like it.
If it has nothing to do with men and women then why is it in places where women have political power men go to jail for looking at mere drawings of "underaged females"...
... but... in countries where women have no political power, where Men are the only ones with a say...Men routienly MARRY "underaged females" of the ages of 12, 13, 14 years old, and they rule over them, and live a happy life with their female charges.
Theres seems to be a REAL diffrence between those countries with female rule, and those countries with NO female rule.
It seems in countries where women have power or clout men live unhappy lives of porn, marraige-to-whores, divorce, and then more porn....
In countries where women have no power... Men LIVE the fantasies all of you dream about.
wait wait, let me lol a little longer.
How the fuck did this guy got in here? It's the second time that I read him.
I don't dream about living in a shithole like Chile or Bangkok.
The UK is not a good place to live. It's a terrible country (Unless you're a tourist: the castles are nice.)
A majority of people, eh? Based on what evidence exactly!? Just because a bunch of children's charities objected to it at the Consultation Stage, doesn't mean the people at large give a damn one way or the other.
In fact, they almost certainly don't, which is how these fascist politicians have managed to take away so many of our basic freedoms over the last 12 years. Hell, someone's even just brought a book out all about it.
Just because a few women like Oprah particularly come out against pedophiles, doesn't make a particularly woman or feminist or whatever thing.
This thing will make it hard to make it even possible to look at flat chested women. Did you know that at least half of third wave feminism is about endorsing gay as and transgender rights? Also, did you know that the amazons literally cut off their breasts to AA nothingness? All for the point of physical combat and prowess, since lumps of fat on their chest would weigh them down.
And the way things are changing, some batshit insane judge and court, might rule that some Konata porn is deemed underaged by her DFC appearance.
Also, this law would include shotacon. I don't see anywhere where it includes ONLY loli. Much of the yaoi and such that WOMEN buy, would now become illegal. That Naruto x Sasuke stuff(I know you may hate narutards, but you know they're out there, the narutard yaoi fangirls). Loveless(contains Ritsuka, a BLATANTLY underaged kid), and loads of various others.
So I'm gonna have to go with the others, and say this is NOT about what women want, and more about overprotective moralism violating free speech.
Wonder how Britain's new National Treasure celebrated with all public fanfare & museum tours "The Warren Cup" is going to fare under this ruling... you know, the artifact recently purchased with the highest price (in millions) ever paid by the British Museum and fundraising groups for any ancient object.
You know, the 2000 year old Roman silver cup featuring on one side a 30 year old man hardcore ass fucking an 18 year old boy while an 8 year old boy watches them; and on the reverse side a 21 year old man hardcore ass fucking a long haired 12 or 13 year old young boy slave.
I guess it's fine with Parliment because it's fag..
and not a girl.. or a dick-girl.
GTFO plz
I second that motion
I third that motion~
Majority wins!
MikeeUSA, you sound like a misogynistic, pedophile, who sounds like the other guy who justified the same things in another one of the blog entries here, including rape.
I may be willing to contest the idea of the age of consent as 18. Take child sexuality proponents very seriously and consider them. I look at lolicon. But I do NOT hate women, think that rape is okay, and I feel sorry for the girl in impoverished countries that get exploited. In fact, these are the children that would be better saved by UNICEF and such. But unfortunately, people are spending loads of laws lately to protect FLAT CHESTED DRAWINGS from SEX.
Really, by bringing a bunch of misogynistic, pro-rape, actual pedophilia in here, whoever is doing it, multiple people or the same person, it makes ALL of us lolicons look bad by association.
You think places like Iran are the culmination of your male "fantasies?" Then go live there. Let's see how long you last before you get kidnapped and end up in one of those kinky snuff films that those Islamic extremists seem to love so much.
that those Jewish extremists seem to love so much.
Here, fixed that for you.
Wow, antennae, animal ears..
I guess I'll have to throw away my copy of Disney's Fantasia with all the naked little ta-ta Centaurs dancing before I go to prison for it.
Won't someone think of the (animal) Children!!
Loli of the gods.
i definitely agree with you there Touwaku uk paraliament should be damn proud
Thanks Veknus, my comment kinda got hijacked by MikeeUSA's agenda. LoL.
The real crime here is not loli artwork, but the many many people who will be falsely arrested/accused in the UK for an ambiguous law framed on 19th century Victorian/Puritan sensibilities.
I have to agree with Touwaku. a lot of people are in big trouble just for prossion and in some places just the thought that you might be a 'bad person' could be hazardus
Funny...many English students at my school are reading that.
All the millions of people who read just went on to vote Labour in.
yeah, fucking government, soon it'll be illegal to fuck children and then what? police state, that's what! OUR FREEDOMS~ (to masturbate over kids)
lol that is funny
In pro-women's rights countries men go to jail for looking at cartoons of what appears to be females under the "age" of 18.
In anti-women's rights countries Men marry young females of childbearing age (12, 13, 14 year old young women).
Most of the world is acquiescing to the demand that women be lifted up and men be tamped down.
Death To women's Rights.
Viva Men's Liberties.
Wow! How many female sex slaves do you have dude?!
You've never touched a woman for sure! hahahha
What a sad loser. HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!
Feminazi detected.
Samefag posting under anon this time.
I know you're trolling, but still.
Go fuck yourself.
Women's rights have nothing to do with this. This is politcal correctness gone MAD.
Not women's rights per se, but militant feminism is at the heart of all these problems. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for equality (heh, Lisa & Co. should be allowed to ride me as much as I ride them - in my stories at least), except they don't want equality, they want revenge! (*_*)
Damn it to hell! Sucks for Uk lolicons...
Women's rights countries: men go to jail for looking at "underaged" drawings.
ANTI-Women's Rights countries: Men marry "underaged" females (who are able to have children). Feminist get hung by the kneck untill they are _DEAD_.
Oh, so you're a pedophile then.
I'm not understanding the connection.
And yes I am pedophile (even though almost all 3d disgusts me) as in I like little girls and think they are cute.
Pedophile = liking children, an attraction if you will. Or just looking. Not illegal.
Child Molester = harming or sexually harassing said children. Illegal.
Females should be married once they are able to have children. That is Natural Law. That is what is GOOD for MEN.
Who makes civil and criminal law? Those who are ELLECTED by WOMEN. Do you think WOMEN will ellect people who are infavor of MEN? OFCOURSE NOT! They ellect people who will continue the criminalization of MEN. Remeber: jailed men can't vote, the more men jailed the more power women have the more men women can have criminalized.
Ah, you are talking of this?
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/8/8e/Mikeewheelie.png
Wow, Mikee, you should be honoured. You made it into encyclopediadramatica. That's no small feat, there ^__^
Natural law would state that marriage is a waste of a man's time because it binds him from being able to spread his genes around as much as possible. Marriage is an antithesis of natural law, so don't use it to justify your child lust.
rly? LOL
"Natural law would state that marriage is a waste of a man’s time because it binds him from being able to spread his genes around as much as possible. Marriage is an antithesis of natural law, so don’t use it to justify your child lust."
It's called polygamy you fucking piece of shit. The Bible supports it (as it supports most Natural Law, including the marraige of fertile females to MEN).
Your feminist societies will NOT survive. Your birthrates are less than your death rates. There are other cultures that will destroy you. In the end, when you are too few, they will outright murder you.
In "natural law" ther would be no marriage, you'd just have sex for procreation with anyone you can
Natural law would also state that squaw-men like you would not be able to enjoy the pleasures of multiple female partners as they would pair off with much more virile man-bucks behind your back, making you, the foolish one who believes that somehow the meaningless construct of "marriage" equates to full and complete complacency on the part of the female(s), raise the children as if they were your own. You say, "Nay," and you would punish, but you wouldn't know what they were doing.
Natural law is not something to be revered by all men, and especially not by fragile excuses such as yourself. "Say that to my face, fucker, not online, and see what happens," you say?
....you're an idiot
Actually, it's "natural" to partner off. The child is defenceless and cannot feed itself for the first few years of its life, and the mother can only do so much. Humans have been partnering to care for their offspring for tens of thousands of years.
We have marriage for a reason, or at least monogamy for a reason.
Shacking up with one lady is advantageous for a guy, since he can keep making babies with her, provide for said babies, and help them grow into adults.
His kids get taken care of = more of his genes get spread.
Mike sounds like a frustrated Mormon.
Of course we have marriage for a reason, this discussion was about NATURAL law though, marriage and religion aren't natural things
Who gives a damn about marriage or kids. I'm all for polyamorism myself, merely waiting for technology to catch up and create my Playdudette harem for me. (^_^;)
As a 19 year old Male who's been raised Mormon, I respectfully refute Miroku74's statement. The mainstream Church does not practice polygamy, in fact, it has been an excommunicable offense since 1890. The only "mormons" who practice polygamy, are those who end up excommunicated, or are part of certain fundamentalist sects.
I personally find Mikee's statementsb to be repulsive. As I am sure any reasonable man (mormon or not) would agree.
Also I'd like to add that while I'm not really all into loli in the first place, I think that UK's parliament is out of their collective minds trying to ban it, for many of the reasons already stated.
To the Anonymous who replied to me before Mikee did:
Oh, I've got no problems with the relatively benign 2D lolicon crowd. But the person I was replying to holds to a very concrete position more aligned towards 3D girls.
A position you yourself admit disgust towards.
To the above Anon who cared enough:
Sorry, dude.... I'm just calling it like I see it. I usually try basing my own point of view on the middle ground, and because of all the stories I've heard about polygamist sects... in little podunk towns across the US who have 'Throwaway Children'... primarily male might I add... it colors my perspective a bit, sadly.
I stand corrected. ^_-
*Bows*
Once again in response to Miroku74,
It's fine, I'm well aware of the misconceptions and stereotypes that exist about us mormons, so I don't blame you at all, nor do I take what you said personally by any means. It's just that its kind of a pet peeve for me to see that generalization being made about my faith. I could go on about the subject, but not only is it not relevant to the topic at hand, but I don't want to waste space here. So for now, I thank you for understanding.
*returns Miroku74-san's bow*
I want to know one thing.
This is a site about manga, anime, Japanese culture, and basically all things Japanese.
How did you end up here? Do you like anime at ALL?
wut
You can thank women's rights for this.
In the UK, one of many feminist police states, men shall be persecuted for looking at drawings which depict females under the age of 18. Anything women's rights activists demand they get.
In pro-men's countries you marry young females of childbearing age (12, 13, 14 years old). It's always great reading about the this weeks arrest or executions of women's rights activists on iranfocus.com
Wouldn't YOU like it if YOUR government worked for YOU to destory those who HATE YOU and wish to DENY you all that is good! There are very few countries that side with Men. The UK is not one of them. (Nor is Japan anylonger)
Ok so I've read all your posts on this topic MikeeUSA and all I really have to say to you is this
You're an idiot, you clearly hate women and have too much time on your hands
Grow up and realise this law won't make any difference at all
Okay.
What the fuck is wrong with you, shithead?
Women have to be fucking respected and their rights protected.
This isn't the result of women's rights activists. This is a result of a bunch of bureaucrats misguidedly attempting to protect children. Not entirely their fault.
The hell is wrong with you?
And if you go for little girls in real life, you deserve to be shot.
We need more crimes to be capital crimes, especially with people like you around...
Kaisos knows what he's talking about, said pretty much anything I could be bothered to say at 6:30AM
Sorry, but you're wrong - this law is the result of militant feminism, and I know because I've been following it from the Consultation Stage.
While I do agree that women's rights are to be respected, when that treads all over my right to pursue happiness, a la Article 10 of ECHR, then I start to get upset.
Women's rights =/= loli rights.
Pull your goddamn head out of your ass.
Above comment was directed at SasaMisa
I understand where mikee is coming from. I do think he is being a bit zealous but still identifiable. I live in Amerikkka and all you need to do is watch commercials here and you will see. Men are always portrayed as idiots and women are the only intelligent creatures on earth. It gets even worse if you start paying attention to race in these same commercials but I will leave that alone.
your a fucking idiot mike, I've been to japan, women are NOT respected there at all, this may be hard to tell for you, because in japan there IS a lot of respect afforded to strangers and people who are not close family.
Poor UK shotacons
Poor UK shotacons
...
What.
Oh man.
God, why do these laws keep getting passed where one could or could not be arrested based on one person's personal interpretation of an image? Who's to say someone won't see a 30 year-old character as 13? D:
Pretty scared, yo.
thats the fun part it wont hold up in court... they cant ever get you for this and it would be a wast of so much cast to even try..
stupid law is stupid
they should be fixing hte econamy not making shity laws
OMG HIDE YOUR KOMOE-SENSEI DOJINS CUS THE COPS WON'T KNOW THAT SHE'S OLDER!!!...isn't that sad?
“If the image in question is grossly offensive, disgusting or otherwise of an obscene character but does not have a child as a victim, is it not arguable that, by extension, all children are victims of that image?”
That's some serious doublethink.
Doublethink is necessary to fight thoughtcrime.
Indeed, can't fight thought crime with a single mind...
I just spoke with Orwell, he was pretty pissed off and preparing to sue: apparently, these legislators "forgot" to secure a licensing agreement for the use of thoughtcrime, an invention he's still holding the patent for.
What about the children who act older than they really are? What if they end up forcing themselves onto the REAL victims, the older men, and get rejected, would they try to get them in trouble by lying ?
It's proven that they would, since Japan has had at least one incident that did just that with EXTREME malice. "Yakuza" dude and some girl ran a blackmail prostitution scam at some point...
Happens all the time. The judge usually goes "you're an adult you should've known better" if a girl has used a fake ID, makeup etc to pretend she's older than she is.
Pretty pathetic... Uk.
This is the first time in my life where I felt just alittle bit thankful I live in America.
Amen...and I find it sad and terrifying that we are still better than practically the rest of the world when it comes to our personal liberties and freedoms...
Heh, even if it does take several Supreme Court battles to slap the puritans down, eh! (^_^)
agreed
Unfortunately it does take several Supreme Court battles to slap the puritans down :/
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! :D
USB!
UFC!
definitely not KFC
KFC!
KFC d^_^b
First time I actively hate living in the UK...
Wait, what? No, surely there are other reasons...
The weather sucks...
Never been on a train then?
Local trains are shit, but if you get on a train going more than about 80 miles, usualy its a very high quality.
And how much does that cost you?
Fair point. =P
I conceed this entire argument to you.
You win various loli doujin that is now seeming not legal for me to own.
Lovely ID cards. Microphones in lamposts to look for terrorists because we all know terrorists lounge around in our streets. Cameras everywhere, now in classrooms and even toilets.
I can think of plenty more reasons to hate living here. This one is the first one to actively affect me in a large way however. If this comes into place, I'ma outta here.
We already had this law in Canada, you're next!
Blame Canada!
Solution: live in international waters
avoid the save the whales people =o
So if you add nekomimi and claim that its an 18 year old dressing up as a kid you'll be ok?
Nope, YOU have nothing to claim. Only the police and a judge of ''reasonable persons''.
Indeed, like The Paedofinder General says, "Every man is innocent until speculated guilty."
Oh god, what's with these pro-government movements against lolicons?!?!
>_>
Unsettling to think that something like this could even be passed, but the language used to frame it is so vague and subjective that I wonder how exactly the laws it would create will be enforced. "Reasonable person test?" Give me a break.
DAMNIT! Are my fellow lolicon brothers and sisters no longer safe in the world D:
No.
oh you mean pedo bros and sis got it.
The U.K.'s Parliament never ceases to amaze me...
God Bless America and help it keep its liberties. Sadly, few people in either party stand up for our Constitution or Freedom of Speech. Write to your reps and donate to the CBLDF.
Goddamned labor party. The UK's already turning into a Big Brother country with the government looking over everyone's shoulder and they just made it worse.
The best of intentions don't always mean the best of rules will be properly implemented. Haven't they learnt that?
Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Remember, remember the Fifth of November.
The gunpowder treason and plot...
I see no reason
Why gunpowder treason
should ever be
forgot...
...Wheres a charismatic anarchist when you need one?
Government: No tsurupettan for you! You can only like women of average/average+ bust.
And only in vanilla situation! So you're into strap-on wearing dominatrixes in full SM garb? Better get rid of your collection, even if they are all appropriately big-titted, or you might get introduced to a less enjoyable form of buttsex...
Mark my words... this will spread in USA.
Most Western United States ("progressive-state" California for example) have voter initiative & referendums. If someone introduces anti-loli initiative in California it will likely pass. And it's no secret that whatever "progressive" laws passes in California it spreads to the rest of the 50 states.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initiative_and_referendum
Just how powerful are voter initiative/referendums? Just last week the Supreme Court of California had a hearing on PROPOSITION-8 (banning gay marriage and defines marriage between 1 man and 1 woman ONLY.)The California Supreme Court's decision on PROPOSITION 8 will be due within 90 days; and based on the hearings it looks like the Supreme court will not overturn PROPOSITION-8.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJB6y2hByKU&feature=channel
Fuck that prop8 stuff is bullshit. It's fine to treat homosexuals as second-class citizens; imagine if they tried to say another other minority wasn't allowed to get married? How quickly would a vote to ban African-Americans or Jews from getting married last?
I like the reference to George Wallace and therefor racism.
In Alabama, George Wallace opposed citizens of the state attending the State's University because of their race.
In California, after prop 8 passed, a gay man has exactly the same right as a straight man.
Either, if not presently married can marry a single woman who is of the proper age, agrees, and is not too closely related.
So because gays and straights have exactly the same right, this is not similar to racial civil rights after all.
Jeebus buttsexing Christ, not that old canard again! How fucking hard is it to understand that in this case equal rights means getting the right to marry the one you love, not having the right to marry someone of the opposite gender?
This might help the particularly dense:
http://www.idrewthis.org/d/20060329.html
Polygamy is only one of the more obvious precedents on who can and who can't marry. If anything.. they have a more legit claim.. they have been around as an institute longer and they can create the future generations and they.. have pretty stable relations for the most part with well educated and well cared for kids.
Another is the non sexual types... They were never recognized since.. they were not creating.. how is non sex any different than gay sex in that regard?
So why are gays so special compared to polygamists and all the other groups? Why does "love" or "sex" have anything to do with fairness in how a person is taxed or what goodies he is given? "Love" was never a part of it.. sex was.. and not because sex is important in and of itself but because it creates other humans.
In that respect the gays (in California) at the very least.. need to get in line behind the polygamists.
The world is fucking overcrowded as is. We don't need people breeding like rabbits. Us gays want our rights because we've been railed against since the dawn of time in some form or another. Up until a couple hundred years ago, we'd still be executed for being gay in places like Europe and America. We're a minority like any other and deserve our rights as human beings like everyone else gets. No group is so higher thana nyone else that they should get to 'go first' for reasons so stupid as they can breed. We gays can raise kids too; it's called adopting all those kids you guys breed and dump by the wayside. We'd be damn good at it but you won't let us.
Love has everything to do with it. Haven't you ever felt love for another human being in some form? Do you not have friends that you rely on and have bonds with? And don't tell me sex is only for breeding; it feels damn good. Haven't you ever fapped and enjoyed it? If not, try it, you might relieve some of your stress and clear your poor muddled head.
great logic A++ would argue again
Arguments concerning the right to marry whoever you want for purposes of love is only used to cloud the issue and force ideology on others. Society (the people) is who should decide what is acceptable and what is not, not a court.
Marriage is not a right guaranteed by our Constitution (USA).
Gee too bad it has nothing to do with if the person is gay or not. Don't forget, straight men can't marry other men either.
Don't be a tool. Straight people can marry the people they love, homosexuals can't. This screws homosexual couples over in so many ways it's disgusting. Financially, inheritance wise, rights wise, etc.
Arguing the law is "equal" that way is like arguing things are fair under a totalitarian dictatorship where only males can drive cars. After all, the law applies to all equally, right?
Also, regarding this new law. Every country ought to have a constitution barring this kind of law from ever being passed. This is thoughtcrime. Nothing else. I don't care if you get every single person in the world to cast a vote on lolicon being "disgusting", it's still a form of expression with no direct victims. You do NOT have a right, NOT to be offended.
Government, you're doing it wrong!
In California the government actually gives people the "power". They (the people) can vote to ban gay marriages and lolicons as long as the referendum/initiative is written in a very specific language (err technicalities, no vagueness) that it does not violate the California constitution.
They ought to, but our government doesn't care about the HRA or the ECHR. In fact, they actually want to get rid of them and make up their own version, which reads more like a list of requirements than rights. (-_-)
Wow... So who gets to decide what is disgusting or offencive? I know people that think bikinis are disgusting. Soon we wont be able to piss in our own bathrooms becuase its somhow wrong.
I find it funny that the UK is turning into the movie V for Venteda.
We need V to fight for loli!!
"Bart, get out! I'm piss!"
"Right, that's 3 years for you, m'lad! We just made Internet memes illegal."
Cannot facepalm enough here.
"Reasonable person test"?
Ironic that most members of Parliament would flunk that test...
HURRY UP SOMEONE CALL V
facepalm*~
baka baka-shi....
This is only the beggining, next they will ban all anime, manga, video games, etc. under the guise of "protect the children" from victimless crimes. Austraila did it with GTA.
Too bad people in the UK have had their gun rights taken away, lest they try to overthrow their government.
Glad someone else knows the true reason why the 2nd Amendment to the Consitution of the United States was wrote to paper.
don't know where you get your info but i live in Australia and i own GTA just brought 4 the other day
And the UK are a bunch of idiots have you most British women those poor bastards that live there need something better to look at
That could well be their plan since Keith Vaz is always banging on about video game violence. I mean, this law will pretty much ban 99% of hentai in a pinch, plus catch a load of the stuff you mention too. For sure, it was probably all about removing 'Japanese filth' from the market to begin with.
It's Ridiculous, If a pedo goes to court over raping a child here in the UK, He'll get off with a year or two in prison at the very most, Yet they want to start picking on us for having Manga with Loli in it.
What about manga series like Yubisaki milk tea? It's sold over here and has a naked shota and loli in the first page of volume 1. So now owning a copy of my favorite manga is going to be illegal?
I honestly don't care, I'll just break the new "law".
Do you think "I'm only interested in 2d girls" would stand up in court?
Good idea, but I think not, seeing how even the 2d girls need to be protected from unwanted sexual advances.
This is just stupid. Why must things as useless and as harmless as drawings be persecuted?
Love the bit about grooming children for abuse, as if no more was done by the glut of popular culture. Tell me to which children have more exposure, lolikon or the sexual antics displayed on MTV and what not. Where is the real threat of desensitizing a young person to sexual abuse?
Also MikeeUSA seems a bit extreme, doesn't he?
Indeed, but if they try to attack that first then they would be in over their heads...they may be blinded by their greed for money and power, but they aren't stupid...
Yes he is, yes he is.
Agreed. Leave our Lolis alone, go ban Madonna instead!!
Strange, UK is failing more than usual.
2D are serious business in the UK..
What the hell is all this anti-women talk? Seriously it's rather disgusting. Sure women are pro-child protection but that doesn't mean all of them are against 2D women or lolicon just like not all men are pro-lolicon. This is just an example of people in power abusing it to enforce their moral system thinking it'll make the world a better place.
"This is just an example of people in power abusing it to enforce their moral system thinking it’ll make the world a better place."
I'm wary of people like that.
I'd rather have pragmatists run than idealists run for office.
Maybe, but I said above. It's just a sad fact that some feminists take things to massive extremes. A perfect example would be that crazy bitch in the States, who said penetration was rape because women can't consent to sex (she understandably lost all her support shortly afterwards).
It's people with children are naturally wary of types like myself, whereas most single people would just shrug if off, regardless of gender. In any case, when this first appeared on The Register, the replies were almost unanimously against this law, so I'm not sure where the Government gets the idea that 'most people agree with them'.
That's all from the one obvious troll, just ignore him/neuter/it/whatever.
ALL HAIL BRITANIA!!!!
Would you like to see Britannia rule again, my friend?
All you need to do is follow the Worm.
¡¡¡OH GEASS NO!!!
Britania is Britain... No wonder Lynette Bishop moved to Canada.. Oh wait, both are Loliphobe countries!! She should move to Japan with Yoshika instead.
Screw Britain! They don't even know what common sense even means...
You sir, are an idiot.
I totally agree with you there..
Well, I just hope California follows that retard UK parliment. And if this trend spread to the world, it would not surprise me that sexual furstration is the cause of WW3 =.=
oosp, I mean "not follow"
By just looking at the way they view things and attack other people's opinion. They no different then highly oppressive government.
I hope a epic loss will strike upon them.
Well, I'll be voting against them for the first time in my life. Sure, the Conservatives are wankers too, but anything is better than the police state we're living in at the moment. (-_-)
Don't tell me you were gullible enough to vote for them in the first place...
In the UK, it's not a case of voting for the best party, it's a case of voting for the least insane party.
It's also not like the USA, Libdem could get 49% of all the votes in the UK, but Labour could still get all 646 seats.
Ah no, I meant I'll be voting for the first time ever actually since I was too much of a gamesplayer in the past to really give a damn (^_^;)
I find the idea of either of the main parties giving a shit about basic rights hilarious.
Love the part with 'if britney spears dresses up like an underaged kid in a sexy manner its ok'... because we know she's not really that young... >_> So basically what this law is saying is that if policeman X looks at a erotic picture, and THINKS the girl is underaged, possession is illegal... >_>
Lol UK laws.., honestly what is this world coming to?
Don't forget that the police have quotas to fill...
Yet another sign of retardation among moral fagging human beings who each owns a Wonder Woman sex doll and think it/she's real, thus developing an ideology that EVERY fictional characters are also real and their age needs to be questioned..
Screw that!! I don't care if Dizzy is 3, Katsuragi Mikan is 7, Zakuro is 9, Lieselotte is 10, Canon-sensei is 12, Taiga is 16, Konata is 18, Hagu is 21, Ulrike is 800, and Al Azif is 1000!! 2D girls don't need to pass that number 18 shit to be legal..
Yeah, Dizzy is the Ultimate loli, best of both worlds.
Based on her figure instead of age, She isn't a loli,though.
I prefer Tomoyo myself (excluding my love of the Playdudettes of course), but I agree with both your sentiments either way.
Well, this is after all only a bill so far, so it's not in their law books just yet. However, by the looks of how their talks are going, seems like random paradoxial ways of making their points like the "victimless crime where all children are victims" won't get much opposition. It's up to the opposing party to somehow argue against them and shoot the bill down.
Problem with this is that not many people are actually informed about what lolicon manga actually is and only hear the words "child porn".
It'll pass. In Britain, and everywhere else too.
Thank god all the images I have that could possibly be construed to be loli *cough*Taiga*cough* are on my laptop, which no cop is getting near, heh.
No cop is getting near? No cop *has* to get near your house to conduct electronic surveillance. That's the beauty of network sniffing. As long as you download stuff over the Internet, the only safe way to do it is encrypted, and the only *really* safe way to do it is some sort of anonymizer service. Otherwise, it's detectable and traceable to you while in transit.
But hey, all that sort of activity might show you have something to hide, so it might be a tip-off by itself. One might want to consider encrypting one's hard drive in that case ... except that in the UK, the police can demand your encryption keys, and if you refuse you can get five years in jail. Incidentally, there was a court ruling a few days ago that sets precedent for this sort of thing happening in the US, too, at least at border crossings.
So no, you're not really safe as long as laws like this exist.
Like I pointed out to Artefact in my recent email reply to him, this article is a bit misleading in that regard because it does still have to get through The Lords, before it can be added to the Statute Books.
Not that it will get much opposition though, as has already said. I mean, the DPA (the law banning BDSM pics basically) sailed through, so who in their right mind is going to object to what will undoubtedly be worded by the tabloids as 'legislation that gets tough on paedophiles'.
Since when does the House of Lords have any ability to do anything but delay legislation?
They can also suggest Amendments, and Veto any legislation which would change the amount of time a gov't can stay in power, unless it's war time.
I.e
Lords can veto a bill extending the time between GE's, and demand a GE if it has been over the allocated time since the last one.
However, if it is war time, then Gov't can stay in office indefinatly.
I will be one of the only people on this site who actually agrees with this kind of law, but...
I will say that loli porn is effectively harmless and that governments should focus on rooting out ACTUAL child pornographers rather than wasting their time banning this kind of thing.
Loli porn is still disgusting though...
As usual, it's easier to solve fake problems the real ones. This gets you reelected so you can start the process all over again.
So you're okay with banning random things as long as you don't like them?
Loli porn is disgusting, yet I suppose adult porn isn't, eh? You're perfectly entitled to your opinion, but not to pour scorn on one type over another just because you don't happen to like it. I mean, I'm not really a fan of shota, but I wouldn't say it's disgusting as I know there are a lot of people who do like it, especially women.
I used to see this a lot on the Newsgroups actually, where people would say Aeka getting her arse raped off was fine, but that Sasami was child porn. So one kind of fantasy is fine, but the other is totally off limits. Er, why exactly? Forgive me if I keel over at the fresh stench of hypocrisy wafting about again.
Anyway, from a purely moral standpoint, all porn is disgusting really as it's nothing more than a form of voyeurism. Thank Christ I don't subscribe to that philosophy anymore. (^_^)
Loli porn is disgusting to me because it depicts underage, immature females being effectively raped.
I'm not about to begrudge others on their fetishes.
But a lot of loli porn is no better then pedophilia.
While I would agree that some loli porn does go way over the top, it's not all that way (and believe me, I've seen a lot of it over the years). It's also a point of contention that it's equivalent to actual child abuse. For sure, doesn't that make my above example with Aeka rape as well. Just because a girl is over 18 shouldn't automatically make such a fantasy more acceptable (not that such issues really amount to much in the first place where fictional material is concerned).
Speaking for myself, I prefer the softer stuff anyway, poses mainly, and in all my stories, the girls are always the dominant partner and generally around 12-14. In fact, all the commissions I've asked people to do me of the Playdudettes are generally aged from their onscreen counterparts too.
Also, there's nothing wrong or illegal with paedophilia, despite what the media would have you believe. After all, it merely means 'love of children'. It's only when people act on unsound urges and hurt people that it becomes a serious crime.
If you and others would stop making supporting females as being the dominant person in a relationship then you would get more support from your fellow men. As it stands, you faggot pro-women's rights artists are seen as a problem.
Men want young and _obedient_ wives. Men do NOT want bitches no matter what age they are.
Also you would be more respectable if you would stop saying "oh well I only look at "2d girls" but throw those men who marry 3d girls who are underaged in jail! Those scum!" and instead supported that females who are able to have children be married: in that case you would be alligned with Men who agree with the Bible rather than wishing them be thrown in jail.
Stop trying to deflect criticism by saying "OH I'm not bad, THAT MANNNN is worse!" and instead take a principled stance against those who have outlawed men having young wives of childbearing age in the firstplace (the people who are also trying to outlaw your fiction because they wish to place more Men in jail...)
This is a conspiracy. Instead of planting drugs, they will plant lolicon on people they want to arrested, soon UK will have the power to arrest anyone at anytime, without the need to plant evidence. V for vendetta, WHY DIDNT WE LISTEN?
how did this turn from a lolicon issue to a woman bashing issue?????? wtf...
Well, you see, it starts with one tiny man with a big loud voice that screams down all other commentary...
we call him mikeeUSA
Uh yeah...
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/12/16/japan-lags-in-loli-ban-unicef-lies-exposed/
If Japan is so bad then what is the UK?
Britain's new motto:
STRENGTH THROUGH PURITY
PURITY THROUGH FAITH
And Britain's new salute:
ALL HAIL BRITANNIA!
...Is it wrong that I think that would be INCREDIBLY AWESOME?
good
So if i draw loli, i draw a victim ?
So in this case, isnt the victim has a right to turn down conviction?
Can we get testimony from my loli drawing please?
I used to joke about putting a cardboard cutout of Lisa in the dock, you know, so she can tell everyone she definitely wanted it. Seriously, I never in a million years thought that someone would actually get done over Simpsons porn.
I feel disturbance in the…
These law-passing guys doesn't seem to have enough work. I propose to employ them in some physical activity at least twice a year.
This is no good for future anime/manga fans in UK.
What a stupid law... in the future manga will be associated with creepy stuff in UK.
Sigh...
This is a sad day for me.
*depressed*
Oh man, all the bitching in this thread just shows how many anime fans want to fuck children. If this law was announced on any other type of site, no one would care or they'd think it was good.
Apparently freedom of expression means nothing to you. Go live in a police state for fuck's sake.
They have yet to see lolicon...
There definitely are some crazies on this website but don't generalize it to just anime fans. I believe in freedom of w/e in most regards and while I understand the UK approach, I do not agree with it.
You are right in one aspect though, if someone tried to argue this in public, their ass would be branded a pedophile and that would be the end of the matter. I'm surprised more legislation like this hasn't been passed in the US by some "moral" group as what politician in his right mind would argue against it(imagine his opponents election ads).
Yes, and all the gamers are evil people who likes to shoot people, stab them with broadswords, and bite them after eating some pills.
Might make for a more interesting world.
._.
3D children = wrong
2D chlidren = perfectly fine
>>If this law was announced on any other type of site, no one would care or they’d think it was good.
That's simply untrue. From The Register, an IT news website:
"First they came for the child pornographers... It may not have quite the same resonance as Pastor Niemuller’s oft-quoted aphorism. But the reality behind this particular slippery slope is just as sinister.
The British government today announced proposals to make possession of drawings and computer-generated images of child abuse illegal. “Good on them”, is likely to be the most common response. However, it will be an ill thought-out response if it is."
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/28/government_outlaws_pictures/
That article had 191 comments; of which many if not most were expressing disquiet or dismay over the new legislation. Reader responses to more recent coverage on The Register, and other non-otaku related sites that I have seen, have, in the majority, been similar.
I rarely editorialise, but you can just piss off, mate! For your information, I have no desire to fuck real kids whatsoever. Not only are they nothing like the characters I love, they don't look, say, or even act in any way that appeals to me sexually.
Try watching the film 'Cool World', then maybe you'll have a much better idea of the way many nijicon feel, instead of just dumping your own narrow-minded prejudices on all of us.
Mind you, this comes from a country that has the highest rate of teen pregnancies in Europe. Don't they have more important things to do?
Touche, my friend. Talk about shying away from REAL issues.
Mmmh the country next door, that's hitting home a bit too closely.
They even made sure nekomimi loli's are illegal to :(
Hope they keep those crazy laws on their island and don't contaminate the rest of europe with it.
Is suika considered underage?
NOOOO~
If they ban her then I really wont be taking it easy.
but she is over 1000 years old.And she only looks young but infact she isn't.
This law is too wrong.
It's not how old she it that matters, it's how flat her chest is.
What about lolis with big tits then, like those M-chan, Y-chan, and I-chan dojinshi by Teruda Naoko? (^_^;)
Bah I say. Censorship of any kind is foul. Even if I don't agree with whatever they're trying to censor (although loli and such have never bothered me) I still don't say they should cover it up. People can make their own decisions, especially if they're grown adults. They would know by then. Fuck, you should know by puberty at the latest between right and wrong. I don't need the government policing my brain.
A sexy drawing of a girl done in graphite or ink or whatnot is the least of our problems in this world.
brb victimizing drawings
Britain is half way to another dark age, with witch hunts and everything. What a worthless fucking country it has become.
man i hope this loli banning thing dosnt spread to the US cuz i gotta go nd live there for a few years,nd the last thing i want is the goverment stopping me from watching/drawing loli stuff
Good luck getting in unless you're a Mexican.
Indeed...I cry over this fact every day.
It's already in effect for a while over there.
Only if it fails The Miller Test for obscenity - check out Wiki on the exact wording of The Protect Act.
Oh, shit!
/me runs to delete boku no piko from his HD.
It's a fucking drawing, what the hell is everyone so tripped out about? Who exactly is in danger? The fantasy characters? I'll draw a god damned fetus getting ass fucked if I feel so. ITS A DRAWING.
The really laughable bit now is that it will still be legal to possess a photograph of an anatomically correct model of a child's genitalia (for example, like the ones in the "Dutch wife" gallery here), but if instead you possess a drawing of it then that will be illegal and you could go down for 3 years plus spend the rest of your life on the Sex Offenders' Register.
not new news, loli has been banned in the UK for almost 3 years now. fucking shitkaku, post current events, good lord.
and before you run in to say, no it wasn't illegal 3 years ago, then how come british citizens were successfully prosecuted for recieving and posessing lolicon in the UK long before you published this article?
why not further expand this story to comment for the viewers in the rest of the world who don't know that britan has also banned BDSM pornography, and that women can't even spread their vagina's in adult magazines without a full censor of their entire genitals? (full censor doesn't mean a mosaic either, it means you just don't see a vagina.)
You are comically misinformed, and apparently devoid of reading skills to boot.
This.
Only publication is illegal under The Obscene Publications Act - possession is still legal providing the image doesn't appear to be that of a real child. If this weren't the case, I'd be writing to you all from prison right now. (^_^;)
I wonder if that means browsing this site will be illegal soon. I mean, did you see that picture at the beginning of the article? She's clearly underage, and I can see pantsu.
Goodbye, Sankaku. It was a good run. ='(
We could provide a UK version with no pictures...
Talking of which, I take it that no-one associated with the management/admin of this site is a British citizen? If they are, they need to be careful because the law covers them as well even if they're not resident in the UK and classes them as "in possession" of the images.
That would tottaly ruin the experiecne.
The new law takes context into account, so you can get away with a loli image if the overall purpose of the work is not sexual arousal. A standalone image is therefore much more dangerous than an anime or a manga. For example, if you have the whole Kodomo no Jikan manga then that will probably (just) be OK, but if you have that image of Rin with the shower head on its own, you are asking for trouble. Anything with a BBFC certificate is OK too, which is why what's left of the UK anime industry isn't complaining and also why I can keep Elfen Lied and Puni Puni Poemi.
Believe me, I've read stories of people being accused of having CP, even when the material is quite clearly legal, such as with Japanese actresses for example. Who knows what they would make of anime or manga, which is still a niche market in the UK at best.
Yeah, I'm afraid the "Trust me, I'm a policeman." line carries very little weight in the real world where your freedom is concerned, simply because they are often a lot less educated than you are (not to mention, gunning for an easy arrest where you won't put up much of a fuss).
Especially when their job is to put you behind bars...
None of this has anything to do with protecting children. It has everything to do with protecting adults from the feeling of being disgusted.
Good news to me, i fucking hate lolis..fucking child abuse man. you pedo fucks need to die.
go ahead and continue spreading your hate while all the lolicons want to spread is love <3
Another taker for the role of The Paedofinder General, I see. (-_-)
No... NO.... NOOOOOO!!!! As they say, first the UK, then the world! NO! I want to keep my lolis please.
I have too many issues with this article to discuss, buy here's my take on loli:
http://actar.wordpress.com/2008/11/30/age-look-and-loliage-look-and-loli/
And that's why we love the Labor Party here in Australia ^_^
epic fail on government. even worse than their usual fails.
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Dear god...this is just plain retarded, I'm not THAT into loli but I kinda just download doujinshi at random so I have a few, why do they think viewing loli of the drawn sort leads to children being in danger.
I for one, find 3D kids annoying and pig disgusting.
You and me both! They are so dissimilar to Jessica, Lisa, Sherri, Terri & Allison that I couldn't fancy one even if I was pumped up on viagra.
Failed Parliament is Fail.
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Banning such things will only make it worse.
Making this Ban only proves one thing. The parliament and the lame over-protective parents can't differentiate the difference between what's real and what's not.
A self-righteous politicians, where would we be without you? I wonder if anyone in parliament would make the argument of having 'loli' characters that are actually well into adulthood, such as Komoe of To Aru Majutsu no Index. The more you know!
“If the image in question is grossly offensive, disgusting or otherwise of an obscene character but does not have a child as a victim, is it not arguable that, by extension, all children are victims of that image?”
I don't know if I'm just dumb or slow, but that statement by Howarth made no sense whatsoever to me. For one thing, anything 'offensive' is completely up to the person in question. Take for example scat. I find it grossly offensive, but some people out there seem to enjoy it. Then the whole child are victims even if there are no children in the picture...his rhetoric just blew me away!
*sigh*
Whatever happened to actually helping real, living, breathing kids?
That's the point of Doublethink and Doublespeak, confuse the hell out of you, then you agree with them if only to stop being confused.
Determine age by pictures? my ass, ha ha ha.
In case of asians, it is impossible.
A girlfriend of mine was 25, yet has the upper body of an 13 year old girl to the point she often was mistaken as a child (when buying tickets, she got child's reductions for example)
I understand the (prude) UK politicians wants to protect real childrens but this law really is bullshit. As expected, this law is directly directed towards japanese drawing. Well, sorry that some europeans 13y old girls looks like 18y old whores and that 30 year old girls looks like 40y old grandmas.
One more thing:
Does it mean that children books such as these will be banned? ^_~'
http://www.abotxphotography.net/image/trompe.jpg
No matter how you look at it, it's a loli.
Millions of french children read this.
Do we have to fear for the next generation?
M.
As i was reading, i was facepalming all the way.
The thing is i dont understand the thinking behind banning lolis, i mean, yes, the parliament thinks that the images could be used to exploit children by some sick fucks, i dont think alot of criminals watch anime, plus saying the way to abuse loli images actually encourages and gives them another way, sigh.
Also, way to point out the loopholes, antennas and anime ears, determining the age of a drawn character. So what they are doing is passing a useless pact that still has loopholes?
"if the evidence showed that having images that were not photographic acted as a release, and therefore reduced the risk of harm to children, legislating could increase the risk of harm." - you got that right.
I would love to go to a court hearing where the judge has to determine the age of a drawn loli. All i can see coming out of this is gigantic time waste for the criminal justice system, where they can be actually prosecuting real criminals. This shit makes me so angry. sigh
Looking from anime industry view point, im pretty sure with this pact they just headshotted it. Would we have an age rating for anime as well? Take The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya for example, where Haruhi 'abused' Mikuru, i wonder how would that go down with the parliament, total ban? since they are under 18, right?(actually i have to idea how old haruhi and/or mikuru are, but since its high school, im pretty sure its under 18).
so anyway, goodbye sankakucomplex, its been good having you around.
R.I.P. lolis in the UK, ;_; it was nice having you arond.
Probably a total ban, or at best, edits by the BBFC. I mean, they tore another hentai anime to bits recently because it had incest, menstration, and loli sex in it.
Court battles will undoubtedly go the same way Lady Chatterley's Lover did when The Obscene Publications Act was first tested. Quite simply, the law was made to look an ass.
Of course, that's nothing compared to New Zealand banning Puni Puni Poemi, which isn't even hentai. I really feel for the artists I know over there as they have no freedom at all anymore.
People are getting worried over nothing. For those of us that live in the UK, we are all to aware that no-one gets arrested for these pointless laws.
With that fetish porn law, they still sell it in all the local shops (after hearing about the law, I went to my local Londis and red it for myself).
Our government is detached from the real world cause they don't live in it, so we the people ignore them completely. The police have too much paperwork to do and more important crimes to focus on, such as giving old ladies ASBOs and litter-picking.
I'm not a fan of loli, put I have red Kodomo no Jikan and fail too see cartoons being classed as real people. People are worried way too much over this!
Politicians aren't people, neither are the religious.
You're probably right actually, particularly after reading that there's only 1 cop to ever 65 paedophiles (and here, we're talking about the really dangerous nutters, not some teacher who sneeked a peek at the girls getting changed or some old fart who downloaded near nudes).
Seriously, all but the Met expressed concern over loli at the Consultation Stage, yet none of these other police forces have the manpower to tackle serious crime, let alone come and arrest me for fapping to Lisa & Co.
On average since the labour party has been in power, they have banned one thing a day. It is getting ridiculous now as with each ban they take away a right.
I cant wait for Labour to be voted out, they are just getting pathetic now.
As for the whole lolicon thing, I can understand them banning it if there were say incidents of the things parliament are stating could happen. I have yet to see anything along that nature happen.
Now child pornography should be illegal as it wrong and forces a child to do horrible sexual acts which can traumatize a child.
Loli though I don't like it myself are drawings, harmless drawings which no actual person is harmed. If the government cant supply evidence which supports the acts described, then it shouldn't be pushed through.
Be careful when you talk about CP because the majority of it (around 93%) doesn't actually involve abuse. That's merely government propaganda and has been largely discredited.
Q:
How does one go about fighting against this bill in parliment?
(And not some silly walking down the street protest)
Oh... And if this is the case... Ban Romeo and Juliet... Juliet was only 14 and she commited suicide.
In short, you can't, not unless you can somehow convince a lot of MPs or Lords to vote against it during its various readings.
Also, Romeo and Juliet would probably be exempt since it's classified as a work of art, literature, or whatever.
Yea, about the only way you can do it is get ALOT of people to sign a petition or email their respective MP's.
Just one person is likely to be ignored, but 1000 emails are something different.
I wish I could believe that, but as that petition someone pointed out on here has barely had 125 signatures in 6 months, it shows just how few people in the West are prepared to stand up and be counted over this.
Good luck with writing to your MP though. Mine is too busy engaging in junkets abroad to give a damn about the state of the sink estate I'm stuck in, let alone the individual rights of fanboys.
I'm not going to email, just because my MP is MikeHall, and if you have ever met him, you would know how meaning less anything not on his own agenda is, dispite being a 'representative'.
Ashamed to be English.
Does anyone know of the situation regarding loli materials in Ireland?
I think Southern Ireland was one of the first countries to ban it outright, but check out Wiki on the subject:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon
I pity the fools.
The Law is easily manipulated, at times effective, and most of the time so flawed that I find it rather interesting.
The law is never constant; it is the duty of legislation to change the laws according to their own perception of justice, although sometimes in expense of the community. But then again the community is usually irrational, hence a judge is needed to interpret the laws impartially.
It's a judge's duty to interpret the legislation and create case laws non-arbitrarily. And that's the problem with interpretation; you give each of them a picture which paints a thousand words, one reads the vertical letters, while the others read backwards, diagonally and horizontally.
I don't think this debate would ever end as long as laws keep changing, society's norms evolve, and the internet exists.
Thank you Sankaku, you've been good to me.
It seems at this rate it will soon be illegal for me to read your articles, there's no telling when my internet providers will just blacklist you for all your illegal content.
I don't actually know what I'm going to do with my life now, since currently I'm studying Art in University, pretty much doing Fine Art lolicon.
So, that's me out of a job.
God save our gracious Queen.
Thanks for all your articles, you've been great.
T_T
Thank you Sankaku from myself as well, you'll be missed when the ISP's pull the plug on all "suspicious" animanga sites....it'll leave me to cry over my secret, "illegal" stash....all I'll have to remember fond times...T_T
AMERICA IS NEXT!
Why would the UN bitch and bitch about cartoon children but not lift a FINGER towards sanctions against countries that legalize preteen marriage and boning those 8 and 9 year old loli wives in yemen and saudi arabia?
By this logic the UK and Canada and Australia should go ahead and ban action movies cause
*gasp* they portray fictional images of MURDER and therefor MUST be grooming us all to kill.
I really am not surprised, after banning of fetishes with no actual scientific evidence I knew sooner or later this would happen.
UK being one of the most uninformed countries about Anime/Manga in the West, I really have lost all hope for this retarded Big Brother State, there are already cameras spying in schools from outside, and now schools are implenting cameras inside? They even plan to lengthen Data Retention from 4 days to longer right?. Now how the hell is this gonna affect Anime/Manga? I love to see what their view of Japan would be then.
This has got to be one of the most ignorant things to happen in the UK. I might aswell not bother going to Anime/Manga sites no more, especially Touhou related ones (even though majority of the characters are way over 100) Heck Dizzy from Guilty Gear is 3 years old and she looks 18-20, or how about Etna and Flonne from Disgaea who are over 1000 years old. It'd be pointless for even a trial in court, since the Jurors and Judges are probably uninformed ignorants aswell.
What the hell?! 'Grooming Tool'?. What kind of BS is that? If that's the case you might aswell ban every Cartoon you nut, since violence is so prevelant in them, especially with all the stabbings going around hmmm?. Try actually dealing with REALITY and not target something that has no cognitive abilities like knives and drawn images. It's so old fashioned to believe 'Animation are for children only' or is directed just to children. These people need to get with the times.
As someone said, this isn't even protecting children. It's to prevent themselves from being disgusted and to take the 'Moral High Ground'. Want to protect children? Then deal with actual Pedophiles and Child Abusers. Honestly these people are no better than religious fanatics. So much for liberties and free speech. Fact is I bet even with the ban, do you really think Real Child Abuses are going to decrease? I don't think so. Because even before the introduction of Loli, there were still Pedophiles around. At most we will see an increase of Shotacons/Lolicons/Anime/Manga fans being stigmatized or arrested and to those Fat Cats it would be a success even if said people never got involved with rape or pedophilia. In fact I'm gonna sound like a complete twat for saying this; I will laugh so hard if Child Rape/Abuse increases due to the ban, or whether there is no connection/correlation at all to prove to those 'Thought Crime Zealots'. Pedophiles are Pedophiles for a reason. They specifically target actual Children in reality, not some 2D image. If anything it would be an alternate form of release, instead of targeting Real Children. Really, they are pointing and shooting a gun at someone before any actual crime even happens. Guess they just want to follow up from a certain Black Male getting shot by police as he carried a bag while running towards a bus in UK.
Sure, there are factors where it 'could contribute' to acting out in reality (like any other media). But said people tend to have problems psychologically or physiologically. But you know how you can help? By actually getting parents to I dunno...be PARENTS. Teach kids the difference between reality and fantasy. Parents take your kids out and show them the world (I know corny lol). Don't leave them to be raised just by the fucking TV or Internets. But no, it's so much easier to point the finger isn't it? Unless they deal with the root, the individual persons, then it isn't going to improve. ARGH! So much rage right now for the ignorance of this. Sorry for tl;dr.
That was actually a good read as far as long posts on Sankaku go, even for a rage post.
Some agreeble points, too.
*clap*
This.
Indeed, a decent post for sure! (as good as any of mine, though I do say so myself). (^_^)
she has an old soul~
lol you really need to burn your computer you sad cunt
Completely agree and lol very good for a rage post. It's completely an illogical move. This can be generalised on so many grounds it's ridiculous. I believe games will probably be affected by this too (specially JRPG's and ilk, goodbye Disgaea). I mean c'mon you have to be mentally challanged to believe 2D images deserves rights and is equivelant to real people. Then why not ban GTA and FPS games completely? Or like you mentioned majority of Cartoons. By the 'Grooming' logic, these cartoons are preparing us to hit each other with hammers and the like with Tom and Jerry. Oh but wait...no actual real person is being physically harmed!
I don't see how this would protect children at all. Shouldn't targeting Real Life Child Molestors be the primary objective? Or is it because they fail at it so much they want to direct the attention to something much easier? Honestly people believing this ban is right are most likely uneducated, subjectively bias moralists that know fuck all between reality and fantasy or the meaning of freedom of speech and expression. Plus they would be major hypocrites themselves if they accept Violent Video Games and Media. God dam these emotional little fucktards, as stupid as those people who cry over people eating dogs, but at the same time stuffing their fat face with industrialised meat. Hell majority of such people can't even bring up a decent arguement for this stuff other than "It's sick!" or "It's wrong!" or "It's goes against God's teachings!" with not a shred of viable explantion. They never studied in psychology either I bet or even looked up studies or research.
Times like these I wish the terrorists do suicide bomb these idiots. One less fanatical religious idiot and illogical moralists gone from this world. Labour party has already screwed up the economy enough, just of waste of money and time. We might aswell turn into a country of Theocracy this rate, ruled by nothing but bias morals and subjectiveness, where scientific evidence or logic doesn't exist. Man we really are reversing back to the Medieval Age. Burn it, instead of understanding. Incriminate someone when there is no actual crime. Well better prepare my broom, black cloak and pointy hat and bring my black cat Salem along.
what we have here is already reality in other countries. opponents are silenced with the argument "you're against any bans, so you must be a pedophile", which makes it difficult for many people to speak up - effectively undermining (real) freedom of speech.
it was the terrorists before, now it's kiddie porn.
mind control at its best.
as i read in a blog recently: mr. göring once said "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country." - no matter what damn bastard he was, he was so fucking right that i want to cry.
i wonder... would it be possible to sue politicians employing such tactics at the icc for violating basic human rights?
They can be impeached, but to be honest, I think they should be held a lot more accountable for their actions and do serious jail time when they fuck up, just like everyone else.
Actually, no. It's impossible to remove a MP from his seat.
I must be thinking about the States again (I guess we really are worse off than you guys after all), sorry about that. (^_^;)
Wonderful...
this loli ban will be as effective as former president Bush War on Terror...
Whats next? book burnings and the revival of the Inquisition?
lol eurofags gon get v&
'a nature that it would be solely or principally used for the purpose of sexual arousal—'
Huh. So basically, a person can only be offended by a drawing that brings about sexual arousal. But wouldnt that mean that the person is turned on by this drawing of CP, in effect, be a lolicon/pedo, child fetish?
If it isn't sexually aroussing, then its not offensive enough.
lolwut
You forget, these people are morally superior to us. They don't get erections or wet vaginas when they look at this stuff, but somehow still know instinctively when it's arousing. (^_^;)
Wait, what about Shakugan no Shana, Zero's Familiar, and Kodomo no Jikan? Can the thousands of people looking up or seeing these shows/manga get persecuted?
Don't stop at those, anything with Rie in.
As the entire point of her tsundere character is to arouse people.
Might as well add Toradora! to the list while you're at it...a quality title getting slapped with the ban sticker by UNICEF, it's sad really if those titles mentioned above(kodomo no jikan excluded) became part of the ban since they don't focus on sexual content, yet people are idiotic enough to define them as such.
Rie IS Tiga.
Umm.. Be right back, I'm moving country before our laws get even worse. (If thats even possible?)
Still though, I'm not exactly into what I'd class as lolicon, as in, under 16 year olds.. But I'm quite sure that even some of the goverment people would look at a sexual drawing of 17 and 365 day year old girl/boy and think it was nice - I could understand banning CHILD lolicon, but adolescent too?
If you can HAVE sex at 16.. Why is it illegal to LOOK at sex till your 18? It's stupid.
Couldn't you argue that pedophiles looking at lolicon might supress their lust for real children? - Sure, for some this would be a no, and it might make them want real kids.. But even if for SOME, wouldn't it be worth it? Is it not better saving a few kids than losing even more since Lolicon is banned?
This reminds me of a case in America a few years ago.. (It was something along these lines, I might have messed up a few things, but it's more or less right.)
17 year old lad, and 17 year old girl were in love, and had obviously had sexual relations.. She took a picture of herself, naked, and sent it to the young man.. Somehow the police get involved, and the young woman gets done for MAKING child pornography, and the young man gets done for OWNING child pornography. It's just TOTALLY RETARDED.
This also reminds me of the law which says it's illegal for an adult to have ANAL or VAGINAL sex infront of a child, but ORAL sex is totally legal. - God, if our country is going to make laws up, why not actually read over them before passing them..?
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Once again, the U.K proves that we totally suck arse when it comes to laws.. :( This is indeed, a sad day for humanity. (And Lolicons. Lol.)
I've read loads of these stories, but the one that takes the cake is a kid of 4 getting put on the sex offenders register in the States for repeatedly hugging his nursery school teacher.
After reading that, I became convinced that the world had gone mad, except as Einstein said, there is no end to the Universe or human stupidity.
Hmm, that reminds me, when I was about 5 or 6, I used to hug and fondle my teachers breasts.
Good times.
remember the times where being left-handed is a crime, that being left-handed is evil, just because they can't understand what's being left-handed feels like? also those days that you are considered a witch just because you're good with science...
now, in the modern days, the same things are happening, just because you prefer something that they see is quite not what they like, they ban it... just because you enjoy furries, and they don't, they will hate you, and label you disgusting.
they should be called extremists! someday, people will get fed up with you, and they will leave your place, but wth, they'll just ban you from leaving anyways...
Welcome to what is soon to become a fucked up world. :)
As Data once said in Star Trek: TNG, "Prejudice is very human."
Stupid law is stupid.They are even forcing themself to imprison people.
Anyway you can groom a child with anykind of porn.Don't need to ban lolicon becouse of it.
But you shouldn't ban such art,especialy since you can't decide the age of a drawn character,actualy the age doesn't exist,even if they say it.That is what fiction is about,it doesn't exist really,it doesn't actualy show a human,but a drawn character which can't be a real human.
There shouldn't be such prevention laws but only those who actualy groom children and have sex with real children.Those you should get.Crimes and law are made for punishment and not prevention.
And what if one child saw it by accident.What im saying if somebody grooms a child and somehow has sex with it or it makes it to have sex with others,then it's bad.But if he actualy explained the meaning of it and when it would be good doing it and when not,without forcing the child,not illegaly and all whats to say,then it's good.
Right sexual education can prevent many problems.
You know men are making such laws.Actualy intelectuals who don't know better what they are doing.Technicly a good way to ged rid of the unintelectual and different people,also the intelectuals with lower society status.And also get the most votes by women.Since they are a mayority.
Such a law is like HITLER thinking i say.
Men will become endagered.Men are always protecting women,those higher ups.So there needs to be a group of men who realize the danger and stand up for the rights of men.
The problem is i don't see any men protecting mens rights and the bigger problem is the difference between the female and male population is too huge.
And still the minortiy men are being downcasted by society.
Technicly they should be protecting men more becouse of that.Though who says this law isn't also against women :P
Though i wouldn't be surprised by the local feminists who protect women.
NEKOMIMI BAN:
Just becouse you are in laws and politics you shouldn't force your own opinions on it.You should always think about all and the different ones.Purely discrimination against different people.
Truly don't know what all to say.So i rather stop here.
It's not an all-out ban on nekomimi, it's just to make it clear that a loli with nekomimi would still be a loli.
then what is CHEEEEEEN!!
From touhou of course
I don't really mind the loli ban myself but it is frightening to see laws like this in today's world. Human rights for works of fiction? Then what about written works? What about the 'age' setting on vocaloid, will we get arrested for child labour?
When insane laws like these are going down the generations they get more and more vague, resulting in something convicted as easily as sexual abuse is these days needing only a single female to cry 'wolf!'. Don't get me wrong I'm not pro-molesting but the easy and indiscriminate procedures are common and have locked away many that were innocent.
Don't worry, Jackboots Straw is considering a ban on obscene writing as well, after some minister brought it up in Parliament recently. Expect sites like AdultFanFiction to be blocked by the IWF shortly. (-_-)
THEY ARE GOING TO NOT ONLY BAN DOUJIN BUT FANFICS TOO?!?! NOW HOW WILL I MASTURBATE TO UNDERAGED GIRLS GETING PENATRATED IN EVERY HOLE.
We'll probably be reduced to writing in blood on our arms (in code of course, so no-one can read it but us) while languishing in prison. After all, you might use a pen & paper to draw/write about loli (^_^;)
Maria Eagle, like all the tabloid-reading wannabees after their 15 minutes of fame, fancies herself as The Paedofinder General. In her eyes, we are all guilty by speculation; proof isn't even part of the process.
Anyway, I think I've said more than enough on this subject already, so I'll just leave you with Monkey Dust's take on things:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaUkt59vY1Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7bcGyCA-5k
It's funny because it's true! (^_^)
Unfortunately yes...
The day this gets passed in the US I'll be sending hardcore guro to every Politician whose email I can acquire. Probably a good lot of it will be coming from our lovely forums here.
Yeah, I think the US is the last sanctuary of 2d loli-freedom in the world. Well, in terms of developed nations, that is.
Erm...forgetting where these pictures are originating I see...Japan is not a sanctuary of 2d loli-freedom? In the Developed World?
To Protect The Children,ban CP and track the Child molesters.
To Protect The Lolis,encourage EroLolis and leave the Lolicons alone.
This law is so stupid it really amazes me. What makes police "more reasonable" people than others? Nothing. Hell, I'm gonna move to UK just to get a job as a police officer and say "The person on that image is clearly over 18" on every loli picture shown to me, just to fuck with this law.
This law, is the same as removing the right of expression, it goes against everything the modern society thinks of. I'm sorry to say this but I actually hope a lot of childs gets raped because of this. Why? Well, I feel sorry for the kids sure, but is there another way for "reasonable people" to see how the world really works and not how they want it to work?
With this law (and god, so many more) I've lost faith in the "leaders" of the world. Someone with a fucking brain should take leadership and do something that's actually good and useful, how did these people get these positions anyway? I'm guessing there's some "my father was here before me" thing going on, because this is just fucking...
Like, I can understand what they are trying to do, and I don't think that's wrong, but this is just stupid. They should take time and actually read this article, I wouldn't think they would learn anything useful by doing so though.
Elitist mentality mainly - you won't find many Mrs Mops in government, I can assure you, nor people like us unfortunately.
People like us do not aspire to Godhood.
People like us do not aspire to power.
People like us do not aspire to oppress others.
Plain and simple :/
oh btw im always surpsised at the amount of comments when it comes to 2d loli being banned.
Well, when the main argument for banning loli is "Child porn is wrong guise", going against it would brand you as a paedophile in the eyes of the media. We could discuss semantics to death, but the truth is that if people think you are a paedophile, you can't walk past a daycare center located near your workplace without someone calling the police.
Since going against it in public is even less of a possibility than usual, and not every place even in the internet is willing to let you argue about it freely, expect a lot of talk in places where you can.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/lolicon-protection-act-of-2008
Ok, everyone who disagrees with the UK banning lolicon, sign this petition!
Thoughtcrime, here we come. =_=
Oh, by the way. Will UK ban also the Koran?
Because it happens to have a loli story, when it tells how Muhamed got married 6 yo. Aysha and raped her at the age of 9.
They can't ban it.
UK will burn to the ground if that ever happens.
And nothing of value would be lost.