Chinese Clone Site Rips Off NicoNico Douga
- Categories: Anime, News
- Date: Jan 27, 2009 00:30 JST
- Tags: China, Copyright, Internet, Law, Made in China, NicoNico Douga, Sites
China’s audacity in flagrantly copying and pirating all it can continues to impress, with the news that an entire Chinese clone site of NicoNico Douga has been created, carrying the very same MADs and copying exactly the signature tickered comments of NicoNico Douga.
The (completely unauthorised) site in question is called AcFun.cn, and it runs much as you might expect a shoddy and inferior Chinese clone site to (that is to say, adequately).
Surely, we cannot help but view these sites as officially condoned, given the zeal with which political sites are censored and the complete apathy shown towards sites such as these?
Although doubtless nobody will do anything about this site, it looks as if they wouldn’t last long if there was such a thing as rule of law in China.
In addition to possible copyright violation of Nico IP, there are apparently patents held by Nico on their tickered text, and of course it practically goes without saying that what video content isn’t lifted from Nico constitutes unauthorised use of full anime episodes and similar.
Still, this is China… And neither are Nico entirely innocent in all this.
Via ITmedia.
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Why are you disgusted with AcFun exactly?
No one on AcFun ever claimed they created the videos, they almost always post the source video linking back to Nico, it's just that accessing Nico from within China is slow as hell, so AcFun is a good alternative.
Obviously you didn't even take more in-depth look AcFun. I suggest you do. Either that you're just trying to cover a blanket over the problem. It has NOTHING to do about speed.
If niconico can't have what they want against the laws, NOONE can!
Are you referring to full length episodes being posted on AcFun?
Thye steal the design but they never steal the fans
Isn't it interesting here?
Someone nowadays always likes to do things in the same way..
Why just can't U keep working!
as the Banksy once said
Copyright is for losers.
ALL HAIL INTERNET COMMUNISM!
This... is... CHINA'S COPYRIGHT LAWS!!!!!!!!!!!
How product goes
_、,_
① （⊂_ ﾐ Invented by German
↓
② （ ´_⊃｀） Commercialized by American
↓
③ ﾐ ´_＞｀） Invested by British
↓
④ ξ ・_>・） Designed by French
↓
⑤ （ ´U_,｀） Publicized by Italian
↓
⑥ （ ´∀｀） Improved & miniaturized by Japanese
↓
⑦ （ ｀ハ´） Pirated by Chinese
↓ _,,_
⑧ Claimed its origin by Korean
⑨ ◔ヮ◔
Germany only served as a proxy server. *Hint
acfan is a copy, no question. but it is a good thing. why?
1.here in china, it gave so many fans a chance to chat in the video.
2.like you have sc, acfan is a place to see everthing without go everyplace.
3.nico never claim it's rights for such things in china.
4.it gives you such good topic to chat to fight to hate.
ps: why nobady can copy yahoo! or wow?
china is screwed up...
must be the communism mentality they still have which applies to copyright laws too i guess....
Is there something existing that China didn’t steal already? Chinese people itself are just a copy of other asians if you look at history books.
分明是你们在抄我们
四大发明全变成别人的了
历史？过去明明是别人在学我们！
you are a copy of adam and eve
Erm .. no, Chinese people WERE chinese. China is japans culture father. -.-
and of course it practically goes without saying that what video content isn’t lifted from Nico constitutes unauthorised use of full anime episodes and similar.
oh my god, did you use the web site before making this conclusion? do you know the meaning of word like sm1234567 under videos of the web? if you don't know, check it out and tell me what it is.
春哥秒杀你们这帮喷粪的
Copying is one of their unique characteristics. Heck, you can even consider it a part of their culture. And in stead of being ashamed of it here are some retards trying to justify these wrongs. So I guess you can't really blame them cos it'll be the same as blaming a roach for eating garbage. Man, it wouldn't be too bad if they come up with a 'sankakucomplox' or something one of these days. Then all these shameless and self-justifying peepz can just go patronize their beloved fakes and stop disturbing us here.
obvious troll.
DONOTWANTTTTT!!!!
well, there are so many chinese things even chinese don't know that. Chinese always think that something should be theirs.
cao ni ma
D8观光团前来围观
oh!
a zettai ryouiki!
ddos this shit. Fucking chinese.
操你妈
take easy
I don't know but there has to be more to life than constantly posting anti-Korean and anti-Chinese articles on a site like this.
Still waiting for a Chinese version of Chinatown, it will happen dammit.
Isn't 60% of your site's content stolen from gravure magazines, artist sites (who often don't like their stuff getting reposted), nicovideo, and etc?
Then why are you here?
You can say the same of YouTube and Nico, would you like to complain about their success? Could you point what this has to do with cloning an entire site whilst you're at it?
Lolz
You do realize that YouTube and Nico "rip off" each other's videos too, don't you?
What AcFun does is no different, and the uploaders DOES indicate where the video clips are originally from. Moreover, there are a considerate amount of original videos on AcFun too.
"Cloning an entire site"? Have you ever visited AcFun yourself? If you have, would you please tell me how is AcFun similar to Nico, apart from the tickered texts?
And as for the tickered texts, in your article you wrote "there are apparently patents held by Nico on their tickered text". However, I couldn't see this claim anywhere in the ITmedia article you linked. So how did you come up with that? Did you even do proper research on, say, IPDL before you draw this conclusion?
Oh, one last thing. So you didn't deny the fact that "60% of your site’s content's stolen from gravure magazines, artist sites, nicovideo, and etc", did you.
It's okay for Youtube users to rip videos from Nico, since they must also be Nico users in order to get videos from Nico.
Do you agree with the paragraph above? If you do, then please change "YouTube" to "AcFun.cn", read it again, and see if it still makes sense.
In your article you claimed that AcFun is "inferior" to Nico, which is absolutely NOT true. The fact is lots of Chinese people, many of whom fluent in Japanese, go to BOTH Nico Japan and AcFun.
As for the tickered texts, well of course the almighty Japanese Commentators are always right, so I guess it's okay to base your judgments entirely on what they said. However, are you saying that the tickered texts alone makes AcFun "an entire Chinese clone site" of Nico?
Their users rip them off, in an unauthorised fashion. The tickered text is enough of a rip-off for any reasonable person to realise.
I didn't draw any conclusion - I said "apparently"; Japanese commentators have at various times claimed that Nico has some IP in this area.
Come to think of it, you weren't able to respond to any of my points. Why would I waste my time responding to yours?
Ignore the stupid posts about this site being 'the same thing' as a blatant rip of nico.
I'd explain why they are wrong but I don't think they'd be able to comprehend it.
Continue what you have been doing Artefact,
I for one support you fully.
Not sure what triggered such hugely deficient posts all of a sudden...
I give Artefact a hard time on all kinds of things, but SC is meant to be such a resource, and everyone here credits sources without lifting text wholesale. Plus, streaming sites have external embedding for a reason. This talk of 'stolen' content here is ludicrous.
Perhaps two subtle anti Chinese posts so close to one another? I'm feeling a bit of anti chinese undertones from this and that magazine entry. Truth be told, it has me upset almost to the point of jumping onto the hate Artefact bandwagon, but I'll resist.
Hate the site, hate the magazine, and hate the pirates that orchestrate this, but don't hate a country and its people because of that.
Perhaps if it wasn't for the international copyright immunity that China obviously enjoys while the rest of the technologically advanced world would be thrown in prison for life for half of the blatant copies, I'd 100% agree with you, as it is I still agree with you. However there is something to be said of a Government that does not respect IP and allows this kind of virulent copyright infringement.
Ridicule and exasperation rather than hate is the intended effect. As I have said in comments elsewhere, I consider China's development a very positive thing (in general), and in recent history Japan, and less recent history America, have done the same sort of thing.
It's more to do with being poor and developing than being Chinese. Still, it's reasonable to take a sceptical view of it.
And DeGrade, I'm glad you have noticed we take our ethical stance seriously. We always link to the original sources, never plagiarise, and try wherever possible to promote the artists and similar featured.
Additionally, we try to promote distribution which ensures the original creators are supported, without patronising the audience.
I hope a sound balance has been struck.
WE LOVE YOU, ARTEFACT! *glorious shining thumb* XD
Agree'D, we love you and your site, don't stop the win. (*'-')b
at least you dont have to log on to see these vids
I'll be freaking LAUGHING if ask if they would Sankaku would sign on AcFun.cn and they can broadcast videos on here.
BUT, It MAYBE A BLACKSIDE version of NICONICO. Who knows in MIGHT BE that NICONICO that created this, so can watch anime again. It's a win win situation for niconico, hate foriegners(chinese), reap in profits by broadcasting, and doing everything like before that made them SO popular. It's like the same stunt what of what 2ch did with Singapore. Don't you think? http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/01/02/2ch-now-owned-by-mysterious-singaporean-company/
Seconded lol, thought the same after reading this article...
Well, the only thing from China that is not pirated is piracy itself.
China is srsly mastering the art of cloning
didn't China successfully clone a Panda? or something xD!!!! watch one day..."Buy Artificial Chinese Girls ONLY $199!!" lol
ROLF! Now Mexico is soon to release "KikoKiko"
I was vieweing AcFun early last year until Beijin Olympics came when China blocked out that site from other countries.
I'm glad it's back while yes it's illegal, it's still a more fun alternative to Nico for me.
Well i go to NicoNicoDouga Japan and Taiwan.....but i never knew theres a mirror site of it in China O_O...
*looking chinesse version of sankaku*
Better yet, go look at the Spanish version of Danny Choo
ROFL
not to be a jerk, Artefact, I think most of the same lines apply to your site as well; though you certainly held the threshold much better than those chinese magazines/video sites.
of course it's your freedom to pickup this piece of news from ITmedia, posted in 2008/06; but a little heads-up would be nice.
btw, all those videos are hosted externally, so simply taking the site down won't do any good.
>not to be a jerk, Artefact, I think most of the same lines apply to your site as well;
Exactly. Especially the large image posts.
we should all be grateful for Artefact's efforts in putting up all the news in this site.
What part of "site design" do you not understand?
If you can't tell the difference, there's no helping you. This site is no different from Nico, YouTube, 4ch or any similar site, did you miss that too?
Shall I say "if you don't like comments that are posted here, then gtfo"?
The commenting system is here so that people can express both their agreements and disagreements on the articles. Or do you think it would be better if all comments posted were like "all hail the mighty Artefact, for he brought us this article(which is about something that happened more that half a year ago)"?
I'm quite happy for there to be critical, and at times very lively activity in the comments (which are never censored for such reasons).
However, I will not accept any criticism based on how new or old articles are - posting is based solely on such considerations as what will be of interest to users. If it happens to be new, so be it, but I do not appreciate the endless "this did not happen yesterday" criticism.
Rest assured, these articles interest many irrespective of their age.
If you don't like things that are posted here, then gtfo.
Its not like you're forced to come here. Go back to where you came from, you like it better there, right?
I like having the option of browsing the amusing articles here without too much hassle in searching the net.
Its like complaining newspapers reporting on the same accident or something.
"What part of “site design” do you not understand?"
That implies you used that term in the article, which you didn't. I lol'd
Besides, the comment you're replying to has nothing to do with site design, it's about content. Something you mentioned in the article.
Funny that you're having a go at people in these comments for not replying to points when you aren't doing it either...
haha u cant mess with the great Artefact u fools. just be greatful for all the time he spends getting us all these news.
"unauthorised". Anyway oh well everything gets pirated eventually. This is really no big deal.
If it allows people to upload uncensored videos, then it would be better than the original...
I'm still expecting to see a video version of piratebay's bayimg...
There was one - remember YouTube?
That's like saying "Everyone dies eventually. It's not a big deal." Wrong is wrong, either way you slice it. Do stop trying to make excuses that are "oh it is going to happen anyways".
"You are going to have sex anyways..."
Agreed. This is just the same argument that organisations such as the RIAA take. The thing is, so what if something is copied. After all pretty much everything we have today is based off a copy of something else at some point.
Besides, people who stumble onto this crappy Chinese copy will leave if they don't know what it is, and if they do know they'll be regular nico browsers anyway gone to have a good laugh at the imposter.
What do you think _chineese_ people should do at original Nico Nico site? It's japanese only site and foreigners aren't welcome there. I think they do a good thing by allowing analogous service to a local folks.
Very not foreign-welcome with support to languages other than Japanese...
Go China! Take their attention away from the likes of us!
those ppl's design that got ripped off by china should sue the hell out of them and make them bankrupt. lol
I don't think you quite "get" China. ^^;
I'm afraid that Chinese companies can't even sue other Chinese companies for stealing their stuff. The newspapers there have tried, and failed to stop people from republishing online. The courts and laws are too weak.
your site is the same clone version
lol how
cant really stop piracy tho =(
ＬＯＬ www.piratebay.com ね？！ www.ishunt.com も！
Now if only China made a Youtube ripoff without the censoring and copyright issue implemented. xD
THAT....WOULD...BE...いちばん ね？
You mean like youku?
he said "without the censoring" :)
China is Uchiha! Sharingan pawah! XD
loZl =_="
I only imagine if all of a sudden China decided to lift all Internet censorship and stuff... they could clone all sorts of websites and just ignore copyright laws.
Meh... guess that still wouldn't fix the "cheap copy" syndrome. It's kinda funny... on physical stuff I can understand cheap copies. They use crappy material to make the product cheap.
But for intelectual property and internet stuff, this has no effect. They'll eventually get good programmers to make perfect clones of famous websites.
Kinda scary.
Let them do such... Their govt is taking away their internet freedom anyway... If they can't visit some sites then why not make some...
Whatever it's not their "internet freedom". Japan can probably spam and flood uploads a bunch "pro-democracy in China video" to shut them down, if it is a "cheap copy" site. Besides the one the that watches them are the elite higher ups government officials who are pro-comnis in for profits only for themselves.
Actually I kind of agree. We are lucky that we are not living in China and got the freedom which we take for granted...it would be so sad to use Internet with so much content blocked from other countries.
This might actually be a good thing if the Chinese can just use this instead of Nico, cause whenever they post comments in Chinese on Nico, there will always be 'reply comments' by the Japanese like 'Die Chinese die', even if the Chinese content itself is not offensive; that's how much the Japanese hate Chinese.
However, lots of Chinese Internet users have the habit of having no regard to rules (for example, botting/real-money trading on Japanese mmorpgs)are also part of what causes the hate.
Hi "I'm Japanese" but I like to consider myself "Chinese"? Why? Because I get to watch anime for FREE. Lulz <-Problem.
Since China has so many people, would you rather to let them look at NicoNico Douga to make it even more crowded?
Besides, I hear people are already complaining about having Chinese language in NicoNico Douga...
Ah, but there is already an official Taiwanese version of Nico...
ACFUN is set up 5 months earlier than Taiwanese NICONICO.
that's why most of the copying business in china is owned by taiwanese
But Taiwanese do enforce their law more readily than China does. I'm not sure, but I don't ever recall a protest againt Japan in Taiwan unlike China did. Do you? You see China cares alot less than what Taiwan does, on international laws.
I think you're missing the WHOLE point.
NicoNico Douga is bounded by "copyrighted" laws, while AcFun.cn brushed it off. If you do bother look at AcFun.cn. That's what the DIFFERENCE IS. And most japanese will feel the hatred and jealously towards that. I would to point some examples it's quite clear already but it'll promote "activities" so I won't go to detail. But, I think that this is niconico plot. Even though it's chinese you still get what you want, beyond looking through the glass. I still believe niconico = AcFun.cn. It is strange that AcFun.cn IP# to be revealed?
If niconico is fighting AcFun.cn? I think all their doing is to make it believable to the naked eye, a plod. Lol, and I think they're just taking advantage of the hatred of the japanese's heart.
Provide some evidence in place of crazed speculation please.
Regarding the Youtube comment...since when does a Video-Streaming website patented or need to be pirated? I can tell you that youtube probably wasn't the first one that come up with the idea, but they do make it popular so I'll give them credit for that. But you does not need to copy youtube for that.
While, I do believe the website probably take a lot of ideas and design without authorizing it. Chances are, Nico did not lose any potential income. Judging by Nico's reluctance to expand outside of Japan. The Chinese website will live or die depending on if it fill the market demand and meet the target market.
I do laugh at the anonymous for waiting for the website to sign on with Sankaku. I don't think they plan to carter to some American/English speaking audience in the first place.
It wouldn't hurt them in fact they may actually make a few bucks by doing this way too, AcFun.cn. But there is humor to that.
Watch if someone sent an e-mail to AcFun.cn and told them about sankaku. I bet AcFun.cn would without shame would actually do it and address some contract to sankaku to sign on.
I'm pretty sure 15% of it, niconico is actually behind AcFun.cn. Judging and Estimating how (you know how China care about laws involving foriegners, virtually zero) Niconico can take advantage it. And as address previously before in that post, "the win-win situation" for niconico. China courts is slow in foreign matters and I'm pretty sure don't give damn. Probably 5-10+ years before they do something about.
I check AcFun.cn and just by it was like "previous nico" if you get what I mean in law-wise.
On a sidenote during the exploitation of DNS(DOMAIN NAMING SYSTEM) of the internet. I guessing a TACTIC that was used relating to this. I think can purposely opt against the update/bugixes and make it as a "piracy" advantage. It's only just a theory though. Old news http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-9998406-83.html
sorry pals, but link (of this china-nicovideo) where?
http://www.cloningrat.Acfun.cn
China's national conditions and is also the Chinese people's frustration