To Aru Majutsu no Index Blu-ray vs Digital TV
- Categories: Anime, News
- Date: Jan 25, 2009 03:53 JST
- Tags: A Certain Magical Index, Blu-ray, Comparison, DVD Extras, Index, TV
A comparison of the difference between the recently released Blu-ray edition of Index-tan anime A Certain Magical Index (on the right) and the digitally broadcast version (on the left) emerges.
The difference is as night and day… In fact it seems a little extreme? Poor encoding, perhaps?
Those who are still not convinced can view the full (same resolution) 10mb png here.
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that's blu-ray alright
the pics from the right are way smoother, especially the edges
altough i rly can't see the differents on the 2nd picture, they're already blurry
just look at her left cheek and compare, DTV version got so many block like when try upscale a vid.
just click the full size image (10mb)
even at about 720p res i can clearly see the different between them let not 1080p
Oh god , whoever can't see the difference must have keemchit for a PC. It makes me want to stop watching the garbled mess that is the digital broadcast. Heh, I'm even getting to the point where low quality 1080p is eating away at me. I can't stand 720p & 576p re-encodes & 480p might as well reserve a pit in hell. Just thank god for blu-ray. Stretching 1440 to WS when its obviously 4x3 at 1080p is just f-ing retarded.
Seriously. How can't people NOT see the difference?
wow, can't see any difference at all
after someone said the darker side have some grain on it i was able to see it
but SERIOUSLY when you watch animated it stuff like this is invisible. TV quality is nowadays so good that its not worth it paying more than i need to for blueray etc.
Well, the Blu-ray is less pixelated and has less square textures than the TV version...I guess...
Wow, those look exactly the same. I bet if someone mixed around which pictures were regular and which were from Blue-Ray, no one would know the difference.
Wait, nevermind. I didn't know I could expand it more U___U; Yea, there's a slight difference, mainly in the darker areas, and the skin tons look a little different [better?].
Oh wow, It's so much clearer on the Blu-Ray side it's unreal. In the .png it looks as if the entire left side is still a .jpg whereas the right hand side is perfect. Awesome.
Saw the difference right away. Its not as noticeable in the 2nd screenshot, but its convinced me to look for some Blue-ray DVD torrents sometime later.
So you're saying that you're surprised that the BluRay is looking much better than the Digital TV airing? That should be a major duh, you know
1) The bitrate for the Bluray is 10-15x the bitrate of the Digi-TV-Airing
2) The codec for Blurays is h264. The codec for Digi-TV is MPEG-2 (much worse)
3) the resolution for the Bluray is 1920x1080 - the resolution for Digi-TV is 1440x1080.
In other words, the BluRay has huge advantages in every aspect. And still, the Digi-TV transport streams for Index deserve praise, since they're among the cleanest, particularly compared to most other shows. So let's be happy that the BluRay is holding up well.
There are much better DTV broadcasts which don't show such a huge difference; this was the real point.
The issue at hand is that many people fail to see those truly outstanding differences in quality, hence they need it pointed out for them.
Huge Difference if you look closer.. and if your really blind open up the 10mb png..... seriously...
Had to look at the close ups, could DEFINITELY notice the difference then. However, at the small pics on the front page, couldn't tell the difference.
to see the difference you need to watch them both on standard and blu-ray
Maybe I'm just a qualityfag when it comes to video and images, but I can see a huge difference. The only comparison I couldn't see a difference would be the 2nd screen from the OP. I think that has more to do with all the noise in that still :v
I find the tv version quite good, but the blu-ray version really is at a different level.
What happen to the quality of the blue-ray? It look like the same to me.
The quality difference on the full quality image does seem fairly apparent to me except on the fourth example (though you can still see it in the background there), though I would say it's almost certainly not as noticeable when the video is actually in motion. That's not really why I'm posting though.
My main point of commenting here is that the full quality PNG seems very badly optimized to me. The original, as hosted here, is approximately 10.9MB, making it a very large file. After sending the same image through OptiPNG (http://optipng.sourceforge.net/), I got an image of exactly the same quality that was only 7.4MB in size. That's a reduction of nearly 32% over the original.
The exact options to produce this (at least on OptiPNG 0.5.5) are "-zc9 -zm9 -zs1 -f5", I could also upload this optimized image somewhere if Artefact wants to use it instead of the original. Low bandwidth users are sure to appreciate it, as is the server.
It's ok - I doubt many actually used it as the 90% jpg is pretty much identical for most aspects of the image...
Ohhh the difference is ENORMOUS..... no... I just.... no.... Untill they stop selling normal dvd's.... I won't bother with blu-ray.... I'd have to own a full-hd tv for it to make any real difference anyways..... I wouldn't get it for anime at any rate. For HD Tennant/RDJ/JDM maybe.
10MB PNG FTW!!!! =3
Sure, there are differences, but anybody who really cares is a BluRay fag.
It's quite silly to show screenshots of Blu-Ray at such a low resolution. The entire point of the format is to look good at high resolutions. If you compare DVD to Blu-Ray at DVD resolution, of course there'll be no difference. If you compare it at Blu-Ray resolution on the other hand..
I'm not surprised by the people who can't the differences. Some of my friends, who only watch the casual stuff like Naruto/Bleach/One piece, etc. streams just about everything that they watch and they have asked me, and continues to ask from time to time, why I waste my hard drive space downloading animes when I could stream animes like they do.
To them, quality doesn't matter as long as it's watchable and has subtitles. Not that I'm saying that it's a bad thing, but some people are more sensitive about it than other people, I suppose.
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OH! I see what they did thar.
just expand the picture bigger, when you got a picture which is bigger than you monitor height that the right one
I could certainly see differences, though I am completely certain that I would not be able to if nobody pointed out there are differences.
Then again, my monitor is ten years old.
Maybe that's for the best, though. Not being artifact-intolerant certainly saves a lot of money and harddisk space.
I can see the difference but I'm one of those people who's not touching blu-ray until DVD is completely fazed out.
I guess I'm going blinder (I'm already visually challenged) 'cause I can't see much, if any difference on my monitor. No blu-ray for me.
Betamax for life
It's a sony.
You said the dirty word!
oh, to correct myself:
It's a snickers.
I would say something here, but experience has taught me my eyes are broken and I can barely tell differences between VHS, LD, DVD, BD and whatever else's quality.
It's the same for perfume, shampoo, audio cassettes and CDs. Perhaps over a decade of my otaku ways have re-routed my body's nerve endings all to a certain spot of my anatomy. ^^;
Same thing.
I think you can only see the difference if you played it at a HD large plasma/lcd screen
I generally feel the same as you, but this time I can see a few pixels here and there when fully zoomed in on the left one (kinda like the encryption in a jpeg). I can only imagine it would be much more noticeable on a 40" plasma screen TV.
They're practically the same, can anyone point out the difference, I sure as hell can't find any.
Look at text, linework, black areas etc. There's a HUGE difference.
No, there's a TINY difference. The pictures to the right look slightly sharper, but only slightly, and not in a way that anybody sane cares about.
The difference is huge and immediately noticeable, certainly to me and a number of others. I think what we are seeing here is a gap between two differing mentalities or modes of perception...
Look at the borders where the lines are drawn, look for odd stuff, like faded rectangles
Yeah, it's mainly in the darker colors and scenes that any errors are noticeable.
"The difference is as night and day...In fact it seems a little extreme?"
Is that sarcasm? They look pretty much the same. You can only really see the difference in the 1st and 4th pics.
Yes, there are some TINY differences... after you look CAREFULLY... but if it were to convince me to buy a Bluray player, I'd say it's a NO.
I agree. I can't really tell the difference except on the first and last pics, and even then I don't worry about that kind of stuff when I'm just watching it for basic amusement.
You sir need a nice pair of glasses.
Of course it's sarcasm. You can notice less grain on the blu-ray side, but it's not that big of a difference. But for people from 2ch who are always paying attention to details, the blu-ray version is a must buy.
I won't say that you're BLIND for not being able to tell the difference, but the difference is pretty obvious to me, personally.
But isn't that the point? These shows are meant to be seen on a bigger screen. If I were to take the native resolution of the DTV version and try to fill my 22" monitor with it, the difference would be even MORE clear.
Like I said, the difference is clear enough for me. DTV's quality is quite good and I'm not trying to sound all spoiled but it stuck out for me the moment I enlarged it.
it's not THAT obvious, until you put it on a huge screen, I had to look closer at it to see the little squares/rectangles around picture 3 on the left
Grain? The broadcast version is artefacted to hell.
LOL. But I don't think Artefact is to blame for this.
Amusing.
One can only hope it's an encoding issue and they fix it so the differences aren't as noticeable. I'm not shelling out hard-earned cash on crap which looks like worse than a lot of the pirated DVDs
Er...the sharp pictures ARE the Blu-ray version, which is what you'd be shelling out hard-earned cash on. If you watch/download the episodes online illegally for free, then you will probably see the 'low-quality' version.
The Blu-ray.... according to Artefact..... is the pictures on the left-hand side of the picture, while the DTV pictures are on the right. The right hand pics look much better than the left hand ones.
Still, I hope they fix the problem.
The MBS logo on the left side suggests that it's not the Blu-ray version. To me anyway.
No, obviously not. The pictures on the left have the MBS TV station logo clearly visible, so they're obviously the TV version.
My apologies for this; I thought it would be obvious. The left is the HD TV version.
I think it would be less confusing if the story title were in the opposite order (DTV vs. Blu-Ray). The image on the left is the DTV, and on the right, Blu-Ray, and the Blu-Ray is predictably less grainy given that its working with more bandwidth. So this is rather "as expected", isn't it?
Oh? The DTV pics are on the left? Hmmm...
You're quite right, I overlooked clearly specifying them. I updated the text to reflect this.
Looking at some of the other HD TV we have seen, I do think this DTV version is rather poor...
Well, I only have one eye, Artefact, and that one is near-sighted so no matter (with or without glasses) what my vision will always suck.
Thanks for clarifying that though. :)
Night and day? Sure, one's sharper than the other, but I wouldn't exactly call it a 'difference as night and day'...but I guess if you're picky enough, that's just a good incentive to buy the Blu-Ray, right?
At first I though it was just sarcasm, but on full size there is a pretty noticeable pixelation and noise in the left parts of some images (particularly 3 and 5).
Which side is bluray ? :)
if we follow the text it'd seem that the left one is blu ray ?
TV is on the left, BD on the right.
The fact that so many people are having problems telling the difference and are confused to which one is higher quality pretty much confirms a minimal difference.
Or it could confirm something else...
It depends if they are looking at the high res picture in which it is pretty obvious. The lower res it is is very hard to tell the difference. It is much sharper but like it matters as I live in the US which means I won't ever see this in blu-ray with subtitles.
sorry artefact, but i think these screenshots are too small to see it clearly, and this is only barely the size of a computer screen. I think they'd get it if they had it on a 40'' tv, it'll be more than obvious then
Well, at the very least, it certainly supports the theory that the reason Blu-Ray hasn't taken off is that most people either can't tell the difference or don't think it's worth it given the price. ^^;
I think the problem there is that people aren't really given decent comparisons. If you just show blu ray to someone they probably won't notice a difference; put the DVD next to the blu ray and they'll shit bricks over it. Well, not really in the case of anime, as there's only a limited amount of detail in most. But in real life example, there can be a MASSIVE difference. Once you realise how much clearer that blob of pixels in the distance can be...
I cannot stand DVDs of music concerts anymore, the picture is so compressed and blurry and craptacular, I want to be able to see that artist on the stage. Bring on (CHEAPER) blu rays!
Some animes that I've seen a HUGE difference for Blu-ray compared to their DVD-counterparts are:
Any Makoto Shinkai movies. You will literally shit bricks.
Utawarerumono
Sword of the Stranger
If people can't tell the difference after watching these, I'm going to weep for them and their cursed eyes.
Well the thing is that if your PC monitor doesn't have a good contrast ratio then you probably wouldn't be able to tell. I have one that was a cheap 1440x900 that didn't display dark colors very well; on it both of the dark scene pictures would look more or less the same.
Oh god, full res is huge!!!
There's not much of a difference, I hate HD and blueray people.
...you HATE HD and Bluray...?
You are a WIERD one.
you are a WIRED one.
There's not much you can change with animation, anyway. Unless you want to map in pore textures on their faces so it looks like hi-def tv or something.
Ah, okay. I was expecting differences like -- redrawings. Previous posts about differences in Strike Witches or Rosario or To Love-Ru releases specified how things were redrawn to get better proportions or to show more (or less) pantsu.
So I was confused like most here with the "I don't see anything" initial remark.
But looking more closely, I see the compression issues and artifacts that other commenters are talking about. Pretty significant if picture quality is your biggest priority, yes, but not for me since all the artwork is the same.
U poor little ECCHI HAREM Yatsu...
I can see differences with the full res pic... but they are meaningless, at least for me.
Few compression artifacts here and there.
As for Blu-ray, I'm buying it when the blank media and recorder gets dirty cheap. Useless otherwise (for me)...
I mean, if I have no problems watching movies on my PSP, why would I care?
Pretty bad macroblocking on dark areas, and lots of evil ringing. The raw providers must have done some extensive filtering, since it wasn't nearly as bad on the raws and fansubs I watched up to now.