UNICEF Demands Tighter Loli Ban for Japan

I have lost all respect for Unicef. The next time someone asks me to donate to them, I'll give them a piece of my mind.

This argument seems a bit different than the one against pornography but pretty much the same. I don't feel like writing it out so,

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pornography-censorship/#2.2.1

http://randazza.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/wow-an-intelligent-argument-against-porn/

^(although that could be more of an argument against all 2d hentai or anime)

tl;dr

I'd like to see what 2ch says about this, will they actively defend the loli drawings or shrug this off entirely?

I see my fellow Japanese acting in the same way over this as they do when the rest of the world tells them that hunting whales is bad, that they must stop. They still persist in hunting whales because they refuse to be told what to do and if asked, a whaler will say "We hunt whales because we can. Nobody will tell us what to do."
With the "demand" made by Chan, they will see this as an insult, and UNICEF's demands will fall on deaf ears!!!

Any sick fuck who supports real loli is messed up. Just because someone can make the decision to have sex doesn't mean they should. It's like if someone had never been exposed to violence, and then you give them a gun and say, "Well, your motor skills should be developed well enough to pull that trigger. If you'd like, you could shoot and kill someone. You have the freedom to do so."

They probably would shoot someone/something because they don't understand what it means to kill someone. Then a couple years later when the implications of what they did set in they'd be really psychologically messed up, possibly for the rest of their lives.

I like Lolicon but I have to say I admire what Unicef is doing . You can't have lolicon without a correct opposition to it . If Lolicon has any integrity and it does then it can coninue to be defined . The fact that Japan has Lolicon to begin with means they have a better grip on it than say Cananda or the U.S. Here in the U.S. I fear if someone sees my Comic LO collection they might freak out an think it's illegal .

In my opinion, there's nothing wrong about this UNICEF demand because one of UNICEF objectives is to eradicate child rape. UNICEF's big enough and has enough people and money to work on its objectives at the same time, so it isn't wise to write UNICEF shouldn't waste resources on a crusade against child pornography, people and money needed to work on really important objectives like feeding and giving health care to children on Africa to eradicate death by hunger or disease.
I believe a woman is ready to have sex when her reproductive system is mature enough to make her pregnant. It happens when she starts menstruating. Animal females follow the same rule. I never saw an animal male having sex with a immature female. An animal male knows when a female is mature following the rule above by instinct. Why men want to act different? When consensual, there's no rape when men and women follows the Nature rules.

So, with all of the negative news I've been hearing about this subject, why is it still on the boards?

Oh, and not that I agree with UNICEF or anything, but you all know that the vast majority of non-anime fans would completely agree with UNICEF, right? I'm saying that if you posted this article on Digg (and it happened to make the front page) most people would defend UNICEF's actions, and call all of those who disagree with it, pedophiles. All in all what I'm saying, is that I don't see this stuff being legalized anytime soon.

I bet there are more than 114,624 that would sign their signature to tell UNICEF to buzz off.

One Anonymous here mentioned something about children not having the proper sexual equipment before they hit puberty and can start producing sperm and what not. You also mentioned that children aren't mature enough to make their own decisions and that they see all grownups as authoritative figures.

Your argument are as weak as they are uniformed.

1. There have been cases where boys as young as 4 year olds produce sperm and girls as young as 10 years old could actually get pregnant. If you define a persons legality to participate in sexual acts by their hormones, then by that definition it wouldn't be wrong for these children to have sex no?

2. Ah but what about children being small? Well not all children are THAT small... and what about Dwarfs? should having sex with a dwarf be illegal because they are tiny?

3. It's all about the maturity and mind you respond with. But if that is true, what about retards? or just stupid bimbos/idiots? Some people never grow up, should we govern people and tell them what they can and can't do just because we don't trust them?

I am not saying that Pedophilia is right, but your argument against it is easily picked apart. Because in the end your only real argument against pedophilia is: "IT IS WRONG BECAUSE I THINK IT IS WRONG!!"

There is absolutely no argument you can present that can make pedophilia look like a sick or twisted thing if you look at it from a strictly logical point of view. All your reasons are based on "moral" "ethics" and "laws". And "MAL" is a social construct and has no real place in a thinking evolving society.

Forcing ANYONE to do anything against their will however is wrong, and todays children can forced to do things against their own will. But then we aren't talking about Pedophilia anymore but rather robbing somebody of their freedom. What we need is not laws to stop all the pedophiles from abusing children, we need people to start raising their children better. Laws against abducting people and raping them are sufficient against people that abduct and rape children. We don't need special laws to deal with people tat have that taste. It would be like having special rape laws for black people or for men that are raped or blind people and so on.

So if an uncle molests your daughter/son, then if you had educated you kid it could have screamed and said no. And if it had been to afraid to do it, it could have told you afterwards because it knew what it's uncle had done to it, and the uncle could have his ass sent to jail for rape. It's that simple.

Now as for you lazy Internet fucks that sit here going gaga over this petition or whatever. If yo don't like it, then go ahead and try getting a petition. But think about it for a second, you really think you would be successful? With Pedophilia being frowned upon by the public eye, you really think all that many people would even dare to put their real names on something that could very likely end them all in jail? And if you did get people to sign this petition and you sent it to the authorities... wouldn't that be the most lulzy joke of them all? In this climate instead of getting a debate, all those people would be branded criminals. Some would go to jail and the other people would be constantly put on surveillance, maybe lose their jobs and all their friends and family would be shamed if their names got out.

If you really want to fight, start taking this shit to court. You will probably lose your jobs and most o you go to jail, but unless you fight publicly and prove that you are all willing to go to jail for your beliefs, then nobody will ever listen to you. O course I'd wager that even if you did go to court and you somehow managed to be successful, it would take at least 80+ years for you to change any part of the public opinion.

Ironically much of the blame for this can be found in the Asian countries where the laws are now trying to force itself onto. Look at Taiwan and fucking Bangkok. All the children being raped and forced into child prostitution. So many pedophiles go to these countries to live out their fantasies... and in doing so they are contributing to the public opinion. Nobody wants what is happening in fucking Thailand or Taiwan!

So there you have it. There's my advice for both sides.

My advice for those against Pedophilia: Start thinking for yourself you stupid fucks

My advice for those that like Pedophilia: Stop being such fuckups you stupid fucks!

This is just too fucked up.....
tl;dr

ITT: lots of Americans who know nothing about the rest of the world. Hell, probably nothing outside their own town. You know, there is a whole world outside of America. A world where the AOC isn't 18 (actually, it's lower than 18 in a lot of US states, but you wouldn't know that, of course). It's 13 in Spain, so does that make the Spanish a bunch of sick fucks? How about Italy and lots of other countries where it's 14? Are they all sick fucks too? Oh, and don't forget Mexico. Did you know a 16yo US citizen can cross the border into Mexico and legally have sex with a 12yo (under both US and Mexican law)? No, of course you didn't.

You probably didn't know too that "childhood" as we now know it was invented by the Victorians, and was a byproduct of the Industrial Revolution. It's only because of the wealth that industrialisation brought to the middle classes that their kids could actually sit around all day and learn or play instead of going out and earning a living. Before then, there was really no such thing as "childhood". But now we've turned our children into gods, and nothing is safe - no liberty, no thought, no action - that might in any way harm even one hair of their precious little heads. And of course, governments the world over know this. So, they now have two big sticks to beat our freedoms over the head with, the fear of terrorism, which is already leading to some frightening curbs on basic liberties, and the fear that someone might hurt our children. You know what? Children will never be "safe". I have two kids myself, and I know what it's like to see them go out the door and wonder if they'll come back. But that's the price you pay for having them. You can't bundle them up in a big blanket and protect them from the world, and you do them a big disservice by trying to do it. Otherwise, they'll definitely never grow up.

Take away my loli's and i will gun down a school or worse get a real loli

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*beats down..er...back..er...whips...no that wont work...flogs? ya lets go with that*

Where was I...
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*FLOGS BACK the perverts*
Is having a interesting discussion on censorship anyway heres my thoughts, if propaganda, racist and other questionable thought in fiction is allowable then why is it the end of the world when you mix kids and sex?
Hell kids are anyone under 25 for Christ sake as new adults are still immature.

Like major populations in or around modern human society are really that mature by general population volume...
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I dunno whos worse children(young,mean,annoying,selfish...like the adult version only smaller and more mind fckingly retarded....) or the moralist's(like a child but naive,mean,annoying,selfish...like the adult version only larger ego and more mind fckingly retarded...) that want to ban the world for them(think of teh childerns...).... 0-o

obviously,., any otaku in the world would not donate anything to their organization(UNICEF) because of what they have done. more likely,, they will boycott them. who spends on unicef anyway?

I fuck small children for breakfast.

This cartoon shit is fucking stupid.

Childdefender=Bot.

I hate UNICEF

Reading half of the comments made me think "Wow the human race is dysfunctional as a whole"

Maybe in a few centuries, when there is but one race, THE HUMAN RACE (results of interracial relationships, you decide?) and impending doom has forced goverment and religion to be of one [opinion] solely for the greater good of the masses, and the general public is fed possibility ALONG with fact (instead of calling their possibilities fact) from such parties (if there is even media by then).....Then maybe, just maybe simple issues like this won't hinder society as a whole, and people won't lose a life over trivial nonsense.

o-ho-ho Now if you will excuse me, I will look at a solid white wall and jerk off as if was dying right afterwards....surely no one will object to that.

.....fuck, I forgot, there may be carpenters here. HOPEFULLY they'll be building houses for those poor starving homeless children in Africa...instead of reading this >_>

it's stupid, if they take loli manga away then what are all the "pedophiles" going to do with all that stress...maybe take it out on something that isnt just a drawing? and its just cartoons that arent based on real people or at least humans ive ever seen.

guess guro is fine and loli isnt then... i will try to get that in my head and fap while watching a woman being decapitated... sweet sweet lust

"..sought would eliminate a lesser offence of “satisfying one’s own sexual curiosity”

LOL! wth, 3 years to life for looking at something? that just weird D= loli is like drugs nowadays

What about bestiality. Why isn't there someone against that? Let's say that someone has a manga about a legal aged woman getting raped. Isn't that just as bad?

My point is, why is it all against loli?

i hope all bans will be passed, and then one day. sex will be banned too, and some years later human keeping their sex curiousity will being evolved to sex hunger. and have agnes-chan continuosly raped for centuries.

I hate you arty <3! i tried to quit loli, but the main picture in the post 'forced my hand' so-to-speak...

Seriously, UNICEF needs to ban Loli, all underaged Hentai, school swimsuits in anime, burn all loli doujins and manga, destory all anime figures, charge those who possesed loli materials and put them to jail....

...then encourage China to produce more dairy products with added Melamine, leave those African children die due to starvation, sticked more posters on walls in Palestine (only to get bombarded by the Zionist), and use those donations cash left to go to Japan to do some "justice", spend them for happy hours and pay the plastic surgery bills for Agnes Cunt..

Way to go, UNICEF.. >_>

Crap.

Censorship laws are terrible. But if you are going to defend freedom, don't make a decoy of something else. There surely are people out there who find the idea of children engaging in sexual activity more repulsive than the misogynistic violence of guro, but that's beside the point. It's hypocritical.

Censors won't be distracted by a different target, anyway -- they'll just broaden their definitions of obscenity. The cliche "give them an inch and they'll take a mile" applies very accurately to the kind of people who want to take away your freedom.

I read "UNICEF Demands Tighter Loli" and I don't need to read more.

wow wonder what's going to happen with the artist... going to jail because they molested young children? next thing we see is whenever you draw someone getting killes you're called a murderer....

talk about not being able to seperate reality from fiction... wait didn't we read in alot of articles that that is dangerous?!? we should lock them up o.O

Childdefender you are a spammer.

And Christopher, you rape Freud.

Japan's culture is dead enough, leave them alone.

i domt understand

first of all you are all pedophiles. you may say you arent and you state you never touch kids well what do you think lolicon is. its created after child porn was banned in japan. its a way of giving pedophiles what they want. get it? they look like kids and are small compared to the men that rape them. its sick,. its legal way of getting your child porn with out going to jail. and its a cowardly thing to do. you pedophiles are sick and twisted. hiding behind art please you dont know anything about art(art major here). you get off by looking at a toon that looks physically like a child and that makes you a pedophile. get it. admit it already. lolicon equals child porn. and what about toddlercon is that acceptable too are you not sick fucks because they are toons. you are sick and no child porn is okay. junior idols are also not okay. you fucking bastards. pedophilia is nasty and you are all pedophiles. also the people that view this will be desensitized to the sexulization of children and offend later on. this is just giving the pedophiles what they want and they deserve nothing. if they wanna think fine but viewing obscene images like this is grotesque. im making it my duty as a good moral person to rid the world of lolicon and people like you all. i hope that my cause will make a huge difference. one day the laws will be better and youll only have your filthy thoughts to jerk off to. and when that day comes ill be the one sleeping snuggly in my bed knowing ive protected the interests of children by going against all you pedophiles and lolicons(another name for pedophile).

/r/ Rule 34 on Agnes Chan.

Seeing the ton of responses in this thread, I can't help but say that nothing will come from just talking. Someone should stand up and do something about this.

My opinions:

http://actar.wordpress.com/2008/11/30/age-look-and-loli/

Maybe Ms. Chan is too used to censorship in China that she doesn't realize that it doesn't work. It is a placebo to hide things they don't like so these people can pretend they live in a world that revolves around themselves and their particular flavor of morals and tastes.

They used to argue that they go after real child porn to protect the real children. Since that argument falls flat when trying to ban drawings (except in Australia, where they consider drawings the same as real people (although not for drawings of murder, since they haven't charged any drawings with murder... yet)), they try to make links to real assaults on children as being a case of this 'virtual child porn'.

Of course, that falls apart when you see how much lower the assault rate on children in Japan is compared to other countries. If anime and manga with young characters in sexual situations was so bad, there'd be roaming bands of child rape gangs in Japan.

You'll notice that they still haven't tried to ban the bible or shut down the Catholic church yet. There's been much more child sexual abuse tied to that book and organization than anime/manga. So the bible must lead to pedophilia!!

Ms. Chan should also look at at her own China, which has issues with infanticide, child labor, and shoddy schools that have killed many more children than anime/manga will ever.

UNICEF demands tighter loli ban? I demand tighter lolis. The last one I had got really loose after a while.

if any one has something else to say please e-mail me i want to discuss this topics and open a forum exclusively to talk about UNICEF vs lolicon.

i belive that if we dont make the difference at least we can prepare for the worst.

si alguno de ustedes tiene algo mas que decir porfavor mandenme un e-mail, me gustaria discutir estos temas y abrir un foro exclusivamente para ablar de UNICEF vs lolicon.

Yo creo que si hacemos la diferencia al menos podemos prepararnos para lo peor.

It's a bad joke on how such organisations are formed so they can afford to do less fruitful actions instead of utilising more resources to do something more benefitcal for the said... cause of their little therapy groups (not that all of them are a necessity for this era anyway, a good waste of money in fact). After that they all crash themselves in a bar and said they did a job well done and help themselves to more gullible people's money.

That said, and to think that they have THAT much authority and power as the government bodies, ( like malaysia who just can't help interfering with foreign affairs while being HELPLESS to solve their own home affairs or its neighbour down below who can't hold a hi-profile VIP despite being paid millions of tax payers money), is asking to be "AKUMETSU".

Agnes Chan?

"In 1986, Chan married her former manager, Tsutomu Kaneko, and gave birth to her eldest son in Canada. After returning to Japan the following year, she began bringing her infant son to the workplace. This was seen as highly controversial ("Agnes" became something of a buzzword in Japan) and raised the question of a mother's place in the working world."

"In October, 2007 it was reported that Chan had undergone surgery for breast cancer in a Tokyo Hospital, and is expected to make a full recovery."

There is no direct connection to loli stuff to actual raping of a child. Where do they get this stuff? Where's the evidence? Child Porn has BEEN OUT for the longest. Well before Loli manga and such.

If that's the case why don't they go after the banning of violent video games?
You mean to tell me that a person that possess a Loli manga will go out and rape a child. But if a person owns a video game like Grand Theft Auto that the person will NOT go out and do what's shown in the video game?

How about Poddadabobob, non existant creature that threatened by human?
Like a loli that doesnt exist, this non-existent creature was violated everyday,but UN doesnt do anything!
If you want to save non-existant children, save non-existant Poddabob too!!
If the UN logic correct, everyone can be arrested for imaginary victim!

Discuss here:

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=150

If UNICEF just stuck to banning real life child pornography, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. But when they go into things like banning loli manga or anime it just gets ridiculous.

This is just getting ridiculous. Honestly, do they even have proof of Loli causing rape or any intiative following child abuse? We should introduce these nutcases to some 'Christians' in the States, I'm sure they'll have lots of things in common. Like 'Let's parole our morals and beliefs into people who we don't like. Even though we have no evidence, proof, correlation of anything to back up what we say!'

Ex Rage Mode ON! 1st it was Jack Thompson and his Violent Video Games, the guy who petitioned to ban Anime because it's 'EVIL', now it's bloody UNICEF. Just go stick a Razor Blade up your asses and go back to School you ignorant fudge packers. Shoving the crap that comes out of your mouth at others with no facts but opinions and narrowminded beliefs shows how bloody arrogant and idiotic you are. UNICEF go to Brazil, or as someone said above, Gaza or back to Africa and acutally help REAL children who are actually suffering and in need of help, instead of chasing an assumption that liking of Loli or an image depiction of non-existant imaginary loli characters causes people to become Rapists, Child Abusers or Pedo's. UNICEF your arugements to support your claims or policies are as valid as Games/Movies causes people to imitate such actions. Dam Moral Hypocritical Zealots, christ it's not bloody rocket science, try I don't know, actually parenting properly instead blaming everything else (i.e. Government, Media, Schools etc..). Also go hang yourself Jack Thompson...Ex Rage Mode off.

Worst part of all this is, that the people who mostly are out to protect and help children are sexual offenders themselves or think that way. They're a bunch of freaks kinda like the PETA People, I wonder how many of them actually drink breast milk and don't eat meat. Freaks.

Cristopher, I agree with you. Partially, that is...I'd say anyone around 12 or over can decide for themselves if they want to do anything sexual...anyone below should also be able to if their parents agree to it. Not that anyone below 12 can do anything without their parents permission anyway, so it's not that big of a restriction.
However not allowing them to do it at all has a very serious side effect. They might think sex is a bad thing (much like alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, etc...) because they are not allowed to do it. How you see the world is heaviest affected around that age, and if someone tell you you can't do it because it's bad (It must be bad, if you can't do it, there would be no reason to ban something unless it's bad for you, right?), you might end up thinking that sex is bad for your entire life (at least subconsciously) and never get a normal relationship. It also increases the chance to develop strange fetishes or perversions, as you need something to replace sex because you still have sexual energy, but no place to direct it to.
Besides, more freedom to children, I agree. Not just for this matter, they should also be allowed to decide what they want to learn in school (Other than stuff absolutely necessary like writing,basic math etc, those should remain compulsory, but in the current education we waste many years of every child's life to make them learn stuff they forget a week after the exams...not to mention the wasted amount of money for education)

Also consider the fact that humans are biologically ready for sex around the age of 11-12. So 18 is very unreasonable.

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God damn it lady, stop making chinese people look bad. I for one disagree with the whole idea of banning lolicon, WHY THE FUCK is she messing around of all places in Japan (which already has a very low crime rate) instead of places like AFRICA or even GAZA, where ACTUAL YOUNG CHILDREN ARE DYING.

Hell, I find it offensive (chid abuse anyone?) for the protesters waving around banners of dead/decapitated children in their protest against the war. So what? It's okay to show dead children? But bad to rape fake children?

I think all of the world's laws would be simplified if we just considered victims in every case. No real life victim? No problem.

she's just jealous coz she's an old washed-up hag instead of a sexy young woman and men aren't interested in her anymore...

yeah, prohibition didn't work either

UNICHEF FTL!!

Yep, seems no organization is completely shielded from personal interests, prejudice, and biased opinnions.

Because of course, an organization like UNICEF should be working on what the "people" are "expressing", and not on real problems, real facts, and stuff that can be proven harm to children.

I mean, really Mrs Chan, if you wanna do something about cases of child abuse cases, what the fuck are you doing on countries like Japan?

Go to Africa or Middle Eastern countries.
Oh, and please do take a bomb up your ass while there.

Just another case of the anti-sex idiots trying to get their way in the world.

It's about time to realize that pedosexuality is a normal sexuality, that there is nothing wrong with making love with a child as long as they are a WILLING participant (which, speaking from my experiences as a child, most children are!) and start getting on the cases of the children who whine about being 'sexually abused' years after the fact.

I call that last thing 'crocodile tears'. If someone REALLY has a problem with being doinked or was TRULY forced into a sexual encounter... they are damn well going to tell their parents immediately, not wait 15 or 25 years to whine about it!

I know that from experience: when I was young and someone tried to force me to do ANYTHING (sexual or not) that I didn't want to do..... I damn well told them no, and if they tried to force me to do the thing in question, yelled and screamed or went and told my parents.