20 Years for Loli Manga: “Victims Don’t Have to Exist”
- Categories: Manga, News
- Date: Jan 7, 2009 20:47 JST
- Tags: Censorship, Crime, Delicious Cake, Law, Lolicon, USA, Virginia
A federal appeals panel has upheld the 20 year sentence of a lolicon found to have received illustrations of underage sex by email, saying that “it is not a required that the minor depicted actually exists”, and so ruling art not to be universally protected free speech.
The court also insisted that purely textual email containing incest related material was not constitutionally protected free speech, and so also upheld his conviction on these grounds.
The man concerned (55), a resident of Richmond, Virginia, is serving a 20 year sentence after being convicted in 2005 of “receiving 20 Japanese cartoons, called anime, illustrating young girls being forced to have sex with men”, which he rather unwisely received using a public computer at the Virginia Employment Commission.
Additionally, he was found to have sent and received incest related emails of a purely textual nature, which were judged to be obscene and therefore not constitutionally protected free speech.
Clouding the issue further, the man apparently also received unambiguously illegal photographs of underage sexual conduct.
All this resulted in a jury convicting him of 74 offences, including receiving obscene materials, receiving obscene visual representations of underage sex, receiving child pornography and sending and receiving obscene emails. His sentence of 20 years was the maximum possible.
The notorious PROTECT Act of 2003, which permits arbitrarily stripping material of its First Amendment protections if it can be judged obscene according to the criteria of the Miller Test, was instrumental in securing these convictions; in fact this represents the first successful conviction under it.
In his appeal against the convictions, he claimed that the illustrations were protected by the First Amendment, as they do not depict real children. He also claimed the PROTECT Act was unconstitutional as textual emails cannot be considered obscene.
The judges would have none of it, holding that the act was made for the protection of imaginary children:
“It is not a required element of any offense under this section that the minor depicted actually exists.”
One of the three judges did accept his arguments, though this had no impact on the majority ruling. The convictions for the photographs did not come into question.
The man intends to continue elevating the appeal, to the Supreme Court if necessary, in order to get the relevant parts of his conviction quashed.
It is not his first brush with the law: in 1999 he was sentenced to nearly four years for possessing pornography depicting minors, so clearly he is not the most charismatic appellant.
This via AP, brought to my attention in the forums.
The PROTECT Act of late seems to be coming to the fore in relation to cases involving loli manga; there is also the recent case of an Iowa man facing similar convictions, although in his case without any real imagery involved.
Given that so much anime and manga, both mainstream and erotic, revolves around sexual situations involving participants clearly under what US law would regard as a legal age for such depictions to not constitute child pornography, just how much of mainstream anime and manga, to say nothing of actual pornography, will eventually come under the remit of such laws should they go unchecked?
With lower courts and national politicians gleefully stripping both speech and art of Constitutional protections using the evils of underage sex as a lever, we have to wonder whether the Supreme Court will actually rectify matters at some point?
GOD DAMNIT
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!
indeed
Stupid fat american fucks. Just shows how intelligent they are, going against their own constitution which is supposed to make them the “most free” country in the world. Pure bullshit of course. The only use they have is to serve as soldiers to more civilized countries.
Now if we only can get America, Russia, China, Africa and all the islam dominated countries to start waging nuclear war so they extinct each other. That would be perfect for Europe and Japan.
Lol@20 years btw, I would rather commit suicide than spend 1 year in jail. Of course I would kill as many involved as possible before doing it.
I hate you so much.
As much as I don’t really care about the other countries, I’d have to disagree with nuking America since I live here. Though I wouldn’t mind moving to Japan.
@Narcissist
I love you.
(No offense NY, San Fransisco, LA, Chicago)
If you want to get on peoples’ nerves, you should probably just post LOL JAPAN ROFLL XDDDDD like a fair number of the other users here. It would be less time consuming.
But if America, Russia, and China all ceased to exist, who would Europe bitch about for all their trials and tribulations?! Surely not themselves.
The need to put down another country in order to assert your own cou- *continent’s* superiority is a very clear sign of insecurity. Is there something wrong with Europe that you feel you need to compensate for? Blind patriotism is never a good thing, you know.
all countries have their stupid side, this is just another one :P.
Yeah, it’s true than all country have their stupid side…
The problem is that america and americans still look stupids wathever the side you look at! :)
Not just a stupid side, but power hungry, these people are out to take all of our rights away, plain and simple. They’ve made inroads on the Right to Bear Arms by LICENSING any weapons that would be remotely usable for killing/destroying anything more dangerous than wild animals, which I feel the need to point out that the Constitution calls us to fight “all enemies, foreign and [b]domestic[/b]“, do you think that George Washington and co. thought that we would need a well armed Militia to fight the likes of Osama bin Laden (and yes I’m not forgetting that we haven’t made serious attempts at doing something about him)?
While the licensing is a far cry from the all out ban Japan has had for centuries, and the gun bans in various parts of the EU and Australia, it is one of the few things that still make America great. Oh lets not forget that Felons automatically have their gun rights stripped from them, and nowhere in the Constitution does it give a provision for such a thing. Why would they, when they themselves were “criminals”, rebelling against England.
BY THE WAY, not really disagreeing with Americans look stupid from either side of the coin, but you find that everywhere as Artefact has made allusions to in previous posts on other articles.
“Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
By the way sorry for the long posts, some reason when I don’t just type lulz, it turns into an essay of sorts.
Der Wille zur Macht, needs to be said on a prominently Japanese media news sight, hope I need not remind anyone here of the Xenosaga series, but just in case, there you go.
Actually, America is by far the most enlightened nation in these matters, and one I have a great deal of respect for (though of course it still flawed). Lesser nations do not have even the semblance of a supreme court to protect against the excesses of the state…
Too true, too true.
Artefact, you can’t be serious?
The American legal system is a joke… and what is a lesser nation? One that isn’t as fat or scared as America?
You need your head checked buddy, too much American propaganda for you.
What is a lesser nation?
One where the populace don’t even think to question the actions of the state, and where liberties are given away even more profligately than they are in the US. There are many such places.
And legal systems have always been thus – it has not generally proven an obstacle to progress except where they are taken over by moralists.
Artefact has a point.
Our legal system may suck, but it’s by far preferable to a kangaroo court you might find in some places.
BTW… no judicial system in existence is ever perfect. That’s because it’s RUN BY PEOPLE. Humans are fallible creatures, and their works show it.
I think the Supreme Court will rule against this verdict…. in the case where no actual children were harmed in the pornography, and that Freedom of Expression IS a valid point of contention.
If the Supreme Court denies the defendant’s appeal though, they wouldn’t have enough cell space for all the ‘pedophiles’ who have lolicon material XD.
[quote]Now if we only can get America, Russia, China, Africa and all the islam dominated countries to start waging nuclear war so they extinct each other. That would be perfect for Europe and Japan.[/quote]
if someday it happen, remember, that NATO is “Military alliance of democratic states in Europe and North America.” and that japan have american military bases. so if you wish destruction of Russia and America, be sure, it s gonna be world’s most horrible conflict in history. and no one gonna survive it.
This whole thread just shows the difference between ignorant and knowledgeable people. Everyone made some kind of good point. Of course none of these points can be perfectly clear. Like Miroku said, its ran by people. If such a system were perfect anywhere, then everyone would have the same point of view. Has anyone noticed the difference between the facts brought to the table (such as what Artefact said), and the bashing/trolling here? Don’t bash any nation unless you can back up your statements without stating the obvious. Why is it that we are different countries? If things worked out perfectly, it would be one nation (world) together. Dammit I sound like a fucking hippy… But you get my point.
He knows we need it…
Narcissist, you should have already committed suicide. Do us all a favor and end put an end to your misery.
Do you not know what a narcissist is lol? How could I commit suicide when I deem myself a superior being compared to you?
I always write exactly what I think. No trolling here, like Mr. Anonymous which strangly enough all have the blue version of the standard avatar. I thought it was programmed to change color and shape after each post…Do I smell a one-man show?
And yet again, regarding the country/continent superiority…does people have zero common knowledge these days, since the matter of narcissism seems to yet again be unknow. Ah I forgot, uneducated anon with blue avatar… lulz
Now let us walk towards a bright future with Europe as the stronghold for humanity once again, colonizing the lesser people, and Sweden as heads of European Union the second half of 2009. Btw, why the hell did we let in the damn Czech in EU lol? Must be some kind of serious mistake.
Sweden as heads of European Union? Surely, you have no idea what kind of people that is in charge of Sweden right now, I would rather have my dog become “da head”.
Also, taxes would sky-rocket… 95% of everything you own would be completely gone before you even owned it.
Thanks for not refuting my point and relying on an ad hominem response. I expected as much. Have fun being “superior.”
The avatars changing for each new post is incorrect, or the system is not working, because I’ve posted only a couple of times in this long ass strand, and it’s been the blue design, just like the others. Perhaps it means we’re all on the west coast, or it’s just totally meaningless.
Looks like it’s the number of comments.
Not sure whether to phase it out and simply go with Gravatar and anon… the results aren’t too impressive.
@Narcissist – You’re either butthurt over America, tsundere, or both.
I vote tsundere. “It’s not like I like you or anything America, you can go nuke yourself for all I care, I just had some extra trade goods, that’s all.”
that’s kind of sad and retarded, its unfortunate that some people actually believe that kind of bravado. honestly anyone with that kind of feeling to a single nation or continent is outright ignorant and brainwashed. its very depressing when someone cant support the world as a whole that they begin to feel their own little rock is far more important than the rest of the rocks floating out in the ocean.
@Narcissist
1000/10
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
>HURR DURR MAH PART OF THE WORLD IS THE BEST EVERYWHERE ELSE CAN CHOKE ON A DICK.
>HURR THE GOVERNMENT OF A COUNTRY IS ALWAYS A TRUE REPRESENTATION OF ITS PEOPLE.
“Stupid fat american fucks. Just shows how intelligent they are, going against their own constitution which is supposed to make them the “most free” country in the world”
Yes, yes ad hominem because it makes you right.
Please enlighten me as to where you heard the phrase “most free”.
A government trying to gain as much power as possible is natural. It is up to the people to make sure that this does not happen and right now we the American people are doing a suck-ass job at it.
>Now let us walk towards a bright future with Europe as the stronghold for humanity once again
OH GOD, REALLY ARE YOU SERIOUS? GOD I HAVEN’T LOL’D SO HARD IN MY LIFE!
Enjoy your shithole of a continent with Muslims taking over.
Also it’s amazing how obvious of an underage little faggot you are. You really had me going until the >BAWW I WOULD COMMIT SUICIDE comment.
I don’t believe you live in Europe anyway enjoy America you little shit.
Sucessful troll is sucessful, etc.
That was an impressive ownage.
The ownage is so good that I even put my name on it~
America is a sick country, focused on Japanese lolicon magazines, which hurt no one anywhere on earth, not a single child anywhere, yet give lots of innocent pleasure to many men. Let’s be honest — it is that pleasure that the legislators are trying to stop.
Yes, that’s what this is all about. 20 years of feminist maniac American sickness aimed at cutting all men’s pleasure to nothing, so that they can dominate people everywhere and all we are left with are wierd pseudo-women like Angelina Tatoo Jolie. Disgusting hag is what she is. Sick.
This guy was stupid to download these pictures on a government computer. But people should rise up and hold a huge middle finger to the damned US Feminists and their anti-child-porn mania, which has gone way, way overboard. When it gets so far that even simple drawings are considered unprotected speech, yet websites and TV shows full of dirt and hate can go on untouched, then the American value system must be stopped.
America is not the country it once was, when honor and values mattered. Sex was for the bedroom, and what didn’t hurt anybody was left alone where it should be. It should not be for the legislative agenda of American Feminazi’s bent on cutting men’s penises off in hatred and anger. This guy was an idiot, but the bigger question of America’s Leftist value system and the rest of the world is something we all should be worried about.
I read this article while listening to the sad version of “row row fight the power”.
I nearly shed a manly tear.
“It is not a required element of any offense under this section that the minor depicted actually exists.”
my imaginary friend just did his imaginary friends imaginary sister’s friend… yes now send my imaginary friend to jail plz..
To imaginary jail.
I loled at this comment
I SENT HIM USING MY IMAGINATION
A Travesty of Imaginary Justice! :o
His Imaginary Rights must be observed first and foremost.
well i happen to pretend im a lawyer sometimes i believe im qualified to defend him.
I agree with sentencing him for the children pornographic photographs he possessed, but having written material on “obscene” topics such as incest and such is going a bit too far… I mean, especially since it’s in the form of e-mails (unless he was relaying such compositions to minors/children and such).
As for the manga/anime/art thing… Idk, kinda going too far, protecting “imaginary” children, don’t you think? Next thing you know, we’ll be protecting “imaginary people” from getting “murdered” and all people who play fps will be potentially charged with “virtual murder”… hehehe funny though.
What’s scary is, this might one day, become true. Soon, you’ll need a licence to kill for gaming.
Another stupidity…….
YOU PHAIL
that could be considered as human right violation because someone just frisking the collection lol
maybe the act can die now
hmmm, thought-crime anybody?
Double speak
prozium fueled tetra grammatron clerics to the rescue!
zÆRo is damn right. 1984 is happening now right, people.
I am not joking at all. The illegal wiretaps are just the tip of the iceberg.
If the Obama can’t appoint a couple Supreme Court Justices during his term(s), then civil liberties in America are so so so so so so so fucked.
The email obscenity charge is every bit as horrific as the illustration/animation obscenity charge, especially since text=speech.
This is extremely bad.
We can only pray that the Supreme Court will eventually uphold common sense and constitutional rights.
Pathetic…
Child-pornography is one thing, but this is just ridiculous. My hate for america just increased to the next level.
Ameeee~ee~eerica!
Ameeee~ee~eerica!
AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!
The land of free [zombies].
COMING AGAIN TO SAVE THE MOTHERFUCKING DAY YEAH~!
AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!
FREEDOM IS THE ONLY WAY NOW!
so now illustration also have human right??? great~
what next??? if i had a picture where a barbie doll have sex with “underage” toys….
do i get send into prison too?
The PROTECT Act specifically mentions obscene sculptures, toys or figures.
So by the logic, wouldn’t a barbie doll, which is a toy, be considered obscene? I mean, you can take all of her clothes off! Granted, nipples aren’t drawn on her breasts and she her lower parts aren’t too realistic, but I’m sure some judge could just as easily claim it to be obscene. Next time I’m in the US and I see a six year old changing her barbie’s clothes in public, I’m suing.
you forgot that one of most important point of why despite America being such a shit country it still survived is because it continues to contradict itself; it prevents massive progress like some other countries could, but it works.
…And I’m going into nonsense here, don’t mind about me, that was one of my thesis, ignore it if you don’t agree with it.
I just wanted to point out that whenever these topics show up this place feels just like 2ch.
Barbie ..i don’t think so…but be sure that John John must be really jealous about his gf doing all this stuff….lool
Thought Crime is next, be ready.
So text can be considered obscene now? I wonder how long before the courts will start banning books that they deem objectionable…
It seems that every day there is a new reason for me to dislike my country. I truly wish it were otherwise.
god no. Anime and Manga are one thing, but i cant live without books…
Also, the mention of anime will probably confuse normal adults or enrage then and start suing random companies like funimation…
If thats the outcome really, by all means continue.
“now”? I get the feeling you’re unfamiliar with obscenity rulings.
“Now” as in referring to the present time. The last time I checked there are no books currently banned in the United States. There have been in the past, but well, the past isn’t the present is it?
It seems that recently we’ve considered all types of literature to be art and thus free speech. For example, you can go check out 120 Days of Sodom at a library. If anything is to be considered obscene, that is. I don’t think that I would miss it very much, but I’m sure that it will disappear soon enough if things keep going in this direction.
“There are no books currently banned in the United States.”
LOL
http://www.google.com/search?q=school+districts+banning+books
PROTIP: A school district banning a book and the US government banning a book are not the same thing. Of course there’s going to be books not allowed in school, it’s a fucking school. Public education gets uppity over everything.
i assume the 20 year sentence is mostly for the real photographs found in his possession, cos thats harsh. send a man to jail for that long for a 2d girl, what’ll they think of next.
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/10/24/american-faces-20-years-over-loli-manga/
This man faces 20 years just for ero-manga.
I got some yuri manga, am I next?
well, next time I go on a trip I’m leaving my external at home. Too much loli doujins in there to count at the moment
Even for real pictures it’s unjustifiable.
Anyone with a computer could download dozens of illegal pictures freely in minutes; or he could use that time to go out and rape a real woman in an alley. In this case, the latter would have been a lot cheaper.
And no, having pornography doesn’t promote aggressions against children, unless the guy is paying someone else to provide him with the material. This is not like drug use, where everyone consuming is directly supporting illegal acts.
Especially that considering Goatse et al. it is quite easy to accidentally access pornography on the internets. I’ve known people who linked random words in their posts to (tinyurl-obfuscated) pedo sites.
I just realized that since I played Halo, I’m a mass murderer it doesn’t matter that the characters i shot don’t exist. I’m also a necropheliac cause I then teabagged the corpse
I don’t think aliens in Halo have human right, you should play Grand Theft Auto instead :)
Idk, the aliens were at least somewhat based off of real humans, weren’t they? Why, with a little imagination…
IF you’re referring to intelligence then yes, but it’s a little different then killing cops or buying hookers in GTA IV. I mean heck most of the people who buy GTA do it so they can do rampages in which to see how long they can kill cops. In Halo, the caste system of the Covenant is a bit different than the Humans and something like the Hunters, moving tanks, is pretty hard to imagine as a human, especially when they are rushing you destroying everything in their way.
Jarmel, in GTA, players don’t kill cops because they’re cops, they kill them because they put up a challenge -.-
I’m a evil dictator comparable to the H-man himself then; I’ve subjugated so many worlds and races in RTSes.
They should direct the energy used in this to actually doing more constructive things… like teach the next generation the difference between reality and paper images.
psh, I’ve killed and teabagged people in Call of Duty 4 and Resistance:Fall of Man. What am I supposed to call myself now
A war criminal.
you evil bastard.
How did anyone find out what is inside his e-mail? So does that mean that we can’t keep personal stuff inside our e-mail cause the govt can tell what we have written…
If you read the article you’ll see that he was using a public computer, likely belonging to the state of Virginia.
I know its public… Still… Shouldn’t things like e-mail be private… I usually use public e-mails… Normally in the airport… What if some friend of mine sends me porn… That means I’ll get arrested… x__x
E-Mail traffic is by default not encrypted. So anyone between you and the reciever, especially the mail servers involved, can pretty much read anything that passes them if they want to.
This, for example, includes local administrators (e.g. at school or at work) who know what the hell they are doing.
yes if they whant to check out scroogle it talks about just how safe are personal live are
.org
by the way i don’t think if someone dosent do anything to hurt some one in any way shuld be punished thats a true crime
The man deserves it but “It is not a required element of any offense under this section that the minor depicted actually exists.” ….wow..just wow.
now you can lie about that this man raped an imaganary loli.
It’s a great way to bring your enemies into prison lol.
yeah… kill the ice-cream instead!!
because imaginary lolis have human rights too, you know!
seriously, as much as i’d bash about idiotic law enforcement in certain us states (or the us and a overall), this kind of thing is a sad reality in many countries. and as much as i support the cause of unicef and similar organisations, part of the blame can go to them.
japan seems to be a little bit more sane, but they have their own problems with porn law. what other country considers plain uncensored sex obscene, but the most perverse scat/sm/shota is ok as long as it has bokashi?
we have still a long way to go.
I don’t really get how the Protect Act really protects children. What exactly are we protecting when we spend absurd amounts of money prosecuting a guy (not this guy but the Iowan man) for having some hand-drawn gay porn. When this money can be spent on nabbing real criminals. No offense to Australians but I think the US is coming close to eclipsing them in terms if idiot criminal cases, if you can even call them that.
What the Protect Act is really protecting is the ability of the police to make arrests, the ability of prosecutors to prosecute, the ability of judges to preside over trials, and the need for jails to incarcerate the guilty. The “justice” system needs bodies in order to continue to exist.
It also protects politicians ability to get re-elected by parents who rabidly foam at the mouth by any reminder that their precious children actually possess genitals.
Easily the best comment right here.
Seconded.
Thirded.
And the fact that their kids are having sex at a younger and younger age escapes most parent’s notice too. Gee…. let’s see… underage single mothers looking for their baby-fathers on Maury?
Where are the Tank Police when we need them? T_T
People have always had sex once they went through puberty and thus stopped being children.
It’s not new.
In the past young females of childbearing age were married off to Men.
Today such Men are caged or killed (and you applaud).
+++ u r right…but that’s why the laws r for…hihihi!
You’re making the assumption that laws in the US actually follow LOGIC. This must be corrected immediately. Laws are exempt from LOGIC, therefore can be as inconsistent and idiotic as the lawmakers themselves.
Welcome to AMERIKKA, FUCK YEAH!!!
John Lennon made people imagine
Imagine there’s no John Lennon
It’s easy if you try
Because he’s dead
Wait it’s all a little confusing, did this guy only have hentai loli,or real ones also?
But yeah thats america lol bush and is it me or do i see that they never really allowed computer generated porn for lolis there?
2d hurr.
I’m pretty sure from the article on here that it’s both, as it doesn’t seem like he’s disputing the rl pictures, in any case, is it my imagination, or are the people that have rl pics and rape rl children getting far less jail time than this?
Little girls are not obscene. Gay parades are.
Let’s put all actors in jail for being murderers when we’re at it. I mean they kill imaginary people on a daily basis.
That’s just fair isn’t it?
Well well well soon in America thinking will be forbidden too Americans must really start thinking about what future holds for them they will become slaves ripped from the freedom of thinking wtf its just like some kind of movie people getting forced to think as the government want them to think.
wait for the brain chips lol
Reminds me that I need to renew my CBLDF membership…
Indeed. Not only do you have this crappy excuse of a law screwing over a “lolicon,” you got Mr. Handley of Iowa getting charged for obscenity just because someone in customs at the post office thought some guys in yaoi manga in “certain acts” looked like they were under 18! There are two ways to stop this B.S. is 1) support the CBLDF and/or mosh on D.C. and demand that these laws be rewritten or every single one of these people in Congress who would dare to defend this “PROTECT Act” as it stands be recalled, and the FCC be reformed.
Ugh… I only blame the guy for 2 things, if he had real child porn, and for being caught…
“Raaa! This is a insult to lolicons, we must unite in armed intervention! Desu~”
Couldn’t agree more, regardless if it was a serious statement or not.
THIS IS MADNESS!!!
No,
THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(obligatory, you understand…)
We’re on our way to glorious Socialism. I wonder which part of the constitution will be decked next? I should bet on that cos probably soon I won’t be allowed to bet either.
Fascism more like.
Thats exactly it! Fascism! Everyone always jumps to socialism or commmunism, which are technically more free than we capitalists are in theory. The problem with Communism is that, while perfect in theory, human nature keeps it from succeeding, because theories are treacherous things that dissolve faster than a biscuit raft.
Communism is a slave ideology which is as flawed and worthless in theory as it is in actuality. Fascism is far preferable.
You are one of the very few people I have EVER heard say that besides fascists themselves. I fail to see the bright side of fascism against absolute equality.
The biggest problem you don’t seem to realize is, everyone is not equal in a socialist state. Most especially the ones that control the money, do you honestly think that they wouldn’t make money dissapear into their own pockets as opposed to, key word here, giving it back to it’s citizens that earned it? Fascism at least isn’t ashamed and abashed at what it does to the point of making it seem to smell better than dead sewer rats.
Point taken. I will, however, continue to live in my little bubble and blame human nature.
the main reason and truly only is that if you are good anuf at the game of the system or happen to be really rich to begin with to do so to have any say you whant above others below yourself in the system so that is why its called the most free?
well because of this i dont think america well be this way for long if who ever that have the most controle or money says it to be other wise leaving there self and whoever else that is placed blow that indavisual superieur well thats just how it is
lol Leave it to a post like this to bring out the racists.
Seriously. It’s as if America’s the only country where things like this can happen. Never mind the fact that there are places where you can be prosecuted AND EXECUTED for saying the wrong thing.
Lol. Time to drop Kodomo no Jikan
He’s still a fucking idiot for accessing lolicon porn on a public computer. Hell, porn in general, but he’s even more stupid for doing something illegal on a monitored computer. That kind of dumbfuckery is worth at least five years.
Still, with that said, twenty years for possessing lewdly drawn images depicted as children is absolutely ridiculous. Maybe he got the maximum sentence because he possessed what seems to be real child porn in 99, so I’m sure they used the argument that lolicon is a gateway to real pedophilia, despite the fact that 3D is pig disgusting.
i agree anime can look a lot better considering there’s no flaws
I think in the US pedophilia became the main crime.
It’s probably going to take more people going to jail before the government becomes overzealous in their application of the PROTECT Act of 2003 to spark a supreme court to once again address this issue. Stock up on the material and do not accept or send pics to individuals you do not know.
I wonder if UPS or Fed Ex flags packages like the US Postal service?
You forget how the Supreme Court works, it’s only an appeals court, nothing more, just happens to be the one with the most power and tells everyone else how to wipe their ass.
I’d be willing to bet that if this makes it to the supreme court that some portions of his conviction will overturned. Most likely being the “obscene” e-mails.
You have to consider the fact that federal judges are political appointees. I doubt any of them would risk there job to defend this guy. That’s why we have the supreme court. Whom, btw have a history of overturning laws such as the protect act.
I wouldn’t hold my breath tho.
True, most likely the Supreme Court will overturn the emails, I’m hoping that they will also overturn the drawn chi….caek convictions too, which is probably where the vast majority of his jail time was sentenced to him from, if the Iowan man’s plight is any indication.
UNICEF is pleased.
UNICEF: “EXXCCCCEEEEELLLLEEEENNNTTTTT~”
UNICEF: “Now for Japan”
lol, sounds like a big conspiracy there.
America’s image of stupidity seems to be increasing ever more so, especially the legal system (becoming more bias and opinonated, seeing it as fact…like FOX News and CNN). The education system is also lower than that of other developed countries, specifically state owned schools (hurray for documentaries). Fair enough if he gets jail time for possessing the real stuff. But by gods 20yrs for non-existant characters. That has to be one of the most naive and ignorant reasons to give, and as many people have caught on (even a child would), by that logic I would be considered a mass murderer for playing GTA.
A more contradictory e.g. Rape (Sleeping or Drunk) in Porn, even though the participants do exist and acting, fact that they used Rape as medium in porn must mean they themselves should be jailed and anyone who watched should be jailed too…Guess that also makes me a Tentacle Rape Moster by watching Tentacle Rape in Hentai(?) I don’t remember growing multiple phallic like tentacles (¬_¬) *looks down* nope.
Ever since the Bush years, the U.S has gone downhill in common sense and logic. As one of my sayings goes though ‘The world maybe getting smarter over the years, but we might aswell throw wisdom and logic out the dictionary’.
“The education system is also lower than that of other developed countries, specifically state owned schools (hurray for documentaries).”
True. If the government didn’t funnel so much damn money out of the educational system and into OTHER ventures (The Iraq Moneypit, Afghan-rug-istan, and all their shiny new ‘toys’), then MAYBE we’d see improvement. Maybe. The educational system has been lax due to laziness and complacency also. Our so called ‘American Superiority and Hegemony’. Bullshit, plain and simple.
I don’t know if he had any real stuff,post is a little confusing written there.And it points more to that he only used computer generated ones and not real ones i think.
WOW. That’s all I can say.
Okie, If that’s the case then anyone with dvd’s of killings and rape scenes must go to jail. You sick murderer. How dare you be part of a murder or rape and not report it. Didn’t you think of the characters feelings as she/he was getting killed or raped? You sick F–k!!
Anyone with movies of drug use must also go to jail. That’s right you drug user you. You are possessing imaginary drugs and according to this ruling you have to go to jail for having such drugs.
First off, this news has already been out there.
Second, just as that one case in Canada a few years back, the loli is only a supplement of sorts to convict someone of possession/distribution of actual CP.
If people are still selling loli at major cons in the US, I’m pretty sure you won’t get vanned for it.
Thank for stating the obvious, lest we forget it.
Did you bother to read the other stories? No photography is generally involved…
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/10/24/american-faces-20-years-over-loli-manga/
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/12/11/australia-bans-2d-loli-%E2%80%93-simpsons-parody-porn-conviction/
Pretty sure may not be good enough…
Yeah, the defendant is gonna appeal it. If that doesn’t work he’s going back to the SC with it. We been talking about this an another case over here. The only problem with this case is that the guy had real porn as well. He already had been convicted before on it too.
“It is not a required element of any offense under this section that the minor depicted actually exists.”
*drawing away*
Wait… What was that?
So if I draw this girl who looks roughly underage, being attacked, no wait, being raped by a penis, no wait, let’s make that a tentacle monster in which afterwards she gets torn apart – I’ll get sent to jail?
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As ominous as this article is, it won’t deter me from enjoying my manga/fig/animes.
lol @ defensive pedophile comments
What defensive pedophile comments? It’s common sense. It’s about stupidity and logic. Example of stupity thinking. How gangs fight over land that doesn’t even belong to them. Yet they fight over it like if they die their children will inherit it and be able to sell it off.
You better not be playing a violent video game because that makes you a murderer.
Another ‘mightier than thou’ enforcing their own personal rule or ‘agenda’ upon other people. Where has freedom gone?
The next thing gone is the right to have an imagination because it was obscene maybe? It seems to be going that way, no?
cartoons have human rights lolololol
So if make up a story and say that I raped a 6 year old who doesn’t exist since I made it up, do I go to jail?
Tired of complaining about this… who hears us anyways?
Our best bet is for this to end like the cases of people getting jailed for sharing some music.
And for people spewing hatred towards USA (I’m not american btw), thing again…. this has happened on other countries already.
And even Japanese politicians are pressing to pass laws not very different from the ones that are putting this guy in jail.
Moralism is reaching it’s dirty paws everywhere in the world right now, with false pretenses and a load of bs that people once followed in a particular period of human history known as the Dark Ages.
All I hear when I see articles like this one is “Burn the witch! Burn the witch!”
Name one case like this that has happened in a country besides USA.
Australia, Canada, UK, Singapore, various European countries. And we needn’t even mention any Islamic nations.
there’s no such loli japan culture banning happen in indonesia
and we are islamic :D
well, maybe not yet
Muslims marry young females of childbearing age. “Christians”, Athiests, etc jail and murder men for doing such.
If it were, your dick would be the first thing to go.. :D
If victims doesn’t have to exist, then all book writer, movie director, artists and video game maker that kills or harm humans in their fiction must be arrested!
Oh wait, everyone who ever harm another human or commit indecent things in their imagination are criminal!
Amerikken is so damn funny.
OMG! Will i go to jail for murdering my imaginary friend??!!
Forget that Virginian motherfucker. Pressure him to NOT push this to Supreme Court
What you have to worry about is the Iowa case where a postman openned his package (containing manga) and called the party van.
As I wrote in the Iowan article, while that’s a freedom of speech thing, it’s more a problem of the post office not following due process of law to get what they needed to also search his house for this stuff.
I Still find it very difficult to imagine how a package of…7 volumes I believe, could in anyway, shape or form render itself to probable cause for a search warrant. This is the case to harp on freedom of speech because he has nothing else to defend himself with.
Where is Yack Thompson when you need him!? Oh right, he got disbarred for being the same kind of crazy as the PROTECT act.
No! We must protect the imaginary children!
And then the chief justices were imaginary zombies.
I fucking live in Richmond, VA too…
I’m not a lolicon, but this still makes me facepalm really hard.
I hate my Government…
Now I need to burn my computer w/ gas&salt…
US its the dumbest country on earth. They should be all neutered so they human kind would be free of those
defective genes.
Religion and Lack of the most basic liberties. Thats america in a nutshell.
This is beyond believe, i cant even draw loli or wrote a fanfic about it !! I would be convicted for 20 years just for thinking about naughty things ?
Im a atheist, but in time like these i wish a god could erase that filthyness of earth. Ignorancy, Bigotry, Tiranny. All of those are the basics of US goverment.
I happy i didnt born there. They would have stonned me to death already.
US, it’s the most dumb country on Earth, they should all be neutered so that the human race would be free from those defective genes.
Religion and lack of the most basic liberties, that’s America in a nutshell.
This is beyond belief, I can’t even draw loli, or write a fanfic about it!? I would be convicted for 20 years just for thinking about naughty things?
I’m an athiest, but in times like these, I wish a God could erase the filthiness from Earth. Ignorance, bigotry, tyranny, all of those are the basics of the US government.
I’m happy I wasn’t born there, they would have stoned me to death already.
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Fixed, not like you’re right or anything, but I figured I’d at least help you out by correcting your speech.
US is nothing compared to AUS and UK.
In Australia and UK, they all already have laws that ban lolicons on the national level. US does not, but it’s left for local communities to decide if the questionalble material is obscene or not.
Incorrect. Australia does, but the UK doesn’t. A law was proposed to ban it, but the government has more important things to do now than save imaginary children from imaginary abuse.
Yes, like banning BDSM?
Kageryu:
The amusing irony of your post is that it’s still grammatically incorrect.
Actually, he spelled “atheist” correctly, you didn’t. “I before E except after C” doesn’t apply to words derived from -isms.
Wtf? I live here.
This comment = RAGE!!
This was already settled by the US Supreme Court about 3 times now.
“Virtual CP remained under the protection of the First Amendment, except when it was offered or solicited under the mistaken impression that actual children were depicted.”
Unless you can get an obscenity conviction which is purely local. An obscenity conviction only makes the specific materials the jury found to be “obscene” illegal. The obscenity standard was also not designed for use in possession cases, but rather for shutting down local shops. Also, due to the very “local” nature of obscenity laws and the Supreme Court’s previous decisions.. the internet should be immune to obscenity laws unless material was also being distributed on physical media. As it would be unfair to force the most conservative community’s views on the entire internet.
Also, it doesn’t matter what else this man has been convicted of in the past, the Supreme Court doesn’t care. This one is definitely going to get overturned by the US Supreme Court. Simply read their previous three rulings on the matter…
that is it!
i am officially moving to japan!
may america burn in hell or global warming
[quote]using a public computer[/quote]
If he’s this dumb, putting him behind bars is a benefit to society.
I wonder if it’s time to destroy the world already…or god will be a little bit more patient and give those idiots time to reconsider their laws?
I wonder if I should pray for the world to be a better place or give up hope and wish for the destruction of it instead?
believe it or not I actually think like that, sometimes…
i agree
You guys are pissed because a judge is finally doing something to take away your fake pedophile shit.
Your kind can have whatever bad luck falls on you.
However I do see the point that art and fictional material that depict crimes being enacted shouldn’t be actuall crimes for possessing them.
How many “snuff” films do people watch? Saw, etc…
I guess we should make imaginary snuff films also illegal and everyone who watched Saw should be arrested.
Regardless, the important thing is… we all know Narcissist is an angry pedophile now.
That is all.
can’t disagree with this :D
well, its our nature to support our hobby/habit, therefore, we are fake pedophile narcisist
so what? it doesn’t hurt anybody, why are you americans keep nagging our ass for being a fake pedophile fan?
and you guys fine with gore & bloods?
1 thing i realize of what we are as living things
we are sick
That is exactly what the conviction on the email charge means, yes.
I’m not joking.
If you are an American, you need to contact the ACLU about this and state your concerns.
I’m not joking.
I swear…. when are people going to realize that there is nothing wrong with lolicon or even pedosexuality. When their children start killing them in order to protect their lovers, as was done back in the day?
Whorley case is old news. The man involved was a legitimate pedophile. Let’s see what happens when the line becomes blurrier, such as in this pending case. http://www.cbldf.org/pr/archives/000372.shtml
We haven’t covered it so actually it is new news.
And we’ve already dealt with the other case:
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/10/24/american-faces-20-years-over-loli-manga/
WHAT THE F…
illustrations? text messages?
btw people, aren’t you all over reacting with the europe vs america vs whatever thing?
VA? Yeah, there’s places you can’t buy beer, teach evolution, dance with people of the same sex, or open your business on Sunday in VA, this will get overturned somewhere up the line.
This convo has sunk to a new low, thanks to you Narcissist. I can’t even bear to read all the BS comments about you….
Okay, so what do I care about this? Nothing. I don’t live in America so it doesn’t involve me. Whatever happens in America stays in America……
Ever hear of UNICEF? They are run by Americans, amongst others.
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/11/27/unicef-japanese-anime-manga-poison-the-world/
DAMN i came in here trying to check out this retarded shit and i end up finding fucking ppl writing essays
USA is SUCKS
I live in the USA. It does indeed suck.
more scenario to add to my yet to be made manga :D
zetsubou zetsubou no sekai
If the judge’s argument is that there is no requirements for the minor to exist, then who is the one being protected as the result of the conviction? Wouldn’t that be a contradiction?
If any anime enthusiast is arrested, I think it is best if Anonymous made a go at the supreme court rather than Scientology.
I actually thing that the real reason why lolicon possession is still viewed as a “serious” offence is because the old judges probably never owned a computer or understood the internet. Keyword: old ignorant people. They really need to lurk moar to be less ignorant of the fact that millions of anime enthusiasts had at least seen, viewed, or possessed lolicon material. (That, and those who viewed would still be charged as a result of forensic hard drive investigations).
Younger kids and mainstream audiences who are regulars to the internet would have agreed that 20 years is too much; if possession of lolicon is the only charge. We need to keep up with the times. If the law fails to keep up with current ideals, then it is a failed legal system. It has failed the requirement for social progress.
Here’s a thought that may be out there a bit:
If imaginary loli has human rights, does that mean they’re considered actual people too?
I mean, how long before some ronery individual (ex: otaku) adds two and two and actually goes out to get matching wedding bands for himself and his favorite anime/manga/eroge character? Blood tests? Invitations for the ceremony? Joint checking accounts? You see where I’m taking this? How far does the stupidity go?
This is an issue I’ll await lulz from as much as frustration.
You think too conservatively:
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/10/29/otaku-demand-right-to-wed-2d-characters/
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/12/27/marry-your-16-figures-%E2%80%93-engagement-rings-for-sale/
Seems I was wrong. Some idiot(s) *have* gone that far already. XD
A lesser nation… let me think… China? Cuba? Or some other country where legal system is not a joke, but a fantasy? Countries where you would get your ass in jail before you know that you can defend yourself in court? Or countries where the legal system is so corrupted when you can get away with murder”s”, not to mention pedophilia… I think people in America is very lucky. It’s not propaganda, since most of you complaining about America’s legal system clearly have not lived in the other parts of the world, where people are actually starving, new vocab guys! STARVE!!!
I’m not the most law-minded American citizen, but since when is obscenity illegal? If you’re legitimately harming someone, that’s one thing, but if it’s just words and [drawn] images being passed between consenting adults, then where’s the harm? If you prohibit the creation, existence, or willing possession of such material, then you’re prohibiting thought itself.
FUCK YEAH!!!! im suing fosters home for imaginary friends because the i imagined the friend i pretended to aquire from them touched me funny.
it is probable that he brought forth his arguement under the wrong section of the law …therefore they don’t deem the fact that the child ‘does not exist, as relavent to his argument of free speech…he needs to take this statement , by the judges , as a hint as to ‘HOW TO APPROACH AND HOW HAS ‘ his rights been CONSTITUTIONALLY violated when he APPEALS to a HIGHER court , but it still doesn’t justify the idiotic statement by the court , defending the protection of IMAGINARY CHILDREN..
Any criminalisation of purely fictional material is disgusting, fascist bullshit. The only reason they are getting away with this is because most people go through life wearing blinders, preventing them from seeing what’s right next to them.
Maybe you find loli hentai icky, but plenty of people share the same views about games like GTA, or COD. Should they also be locked up because innocent fictional people were harmed?
It’s absolutely anti-thesis to everything a liberal, free society should be. You people pointing and sneering are the stupidest of all, because you dumb fucks think you are safe because the otaku community considers your porn of choice adult. I guarantee you that the moral witch-hunters don’t, they will tar you will the pedophile label and have you put in jail for life quicker than you can fucking blink.
They love the power they have, and they won’t stop as long as they still garner support from the ‘missionary position with the light off’ shitheads.
Fuck, I hate the real world so much…
All internet data centers must we moved to Easter Island LOL
Not4chan in the exile
lol @ USA
so if i live in America and i draw 2 stick figures having sex and state that one is 15 and the other is 40, i mail this to a friend. Do i go to Jail then?
God thank i dont live in that shithole called Amerika.
The country gets stupid by the day
This is completely ridiculous for the simple reason that the Supreme Court already ruled on a case exactly like this in 2004.
Narcissist, you’re quite obviously not better than anyone, except maybe your average retard, but I still have more respect for them than you. They’re not amazingly ingnorant/racist, afterall.
By the way, if you’re gonna try to be racist to me (and I couldn’t care less), you’re gonna have to take a guess at where I’m from. It’s not America, either.
Back on topic; even though I quite clearly hate what they’ve done (if I didn’t, I wouldn’t be on this site), you have to realise that what they did isn’t stupid. People tend to be scared of the unknown, and since I really doubt they’ve ever looked at Loli, they have no idea how it really is. The reason this guy is in jail is most likely because they were afraid that if they let him go, he’d just eventually become a pedo. As well as making them look bad, they most likely didn’t want someone to actually become a victim of this. And since a lot of people here are racist idiots who don’t understand other cultures, Loli isn’t accepted everywhere. So it’s accepted in Japan? Big deal. Why should other countries change their views if they dislike something just because a few people in their country like it?
According to UNICEF and most western governments, Japan had better change its ways because they don’t like them.
Otaku: Doesn’t my figure Haruhi look hawt and cute?
UNICEF: So you want to marry her? You’re sick, she’s NOT even real.
Otaku: *Accidentally revealed his loli collections*
UNICEF: What are these!!? These are Child Pornographies!!
Otaku: No, they’re just imaginary and they have nothing to do with any real children..
UNICEF: We have to arrest you. These are as REAL as Child Pornographies, even if the victims don’t exist at all!!
Epic Win.
“It is not a required element of any offense under this section that the minor depicted actually exists.”
So they’re essentially saying that there does not need to be a victim for a crime to have taken place. One can be a murder without having killed anybody, and a rapist without having touched anyone. Welcome to the wonderful world of thought crimes, where it doesn’t matter if you did any harm; it’s enough if you had a wrong thought.
So what’s next, going to jail for thinking about it?
Enter the thought crime.
fucking retards, those judges must be jews!
I have tons of lolicon manga, and I share it all over the nets!
catch me fuckers! they are fucking cartoons, idiots, try to judge some criminals and stop losing time with non sense problems
LOLI FTW!
btw…what would happen if I walk around USA with a lolicon T-Shirt?
This is a declaration of war against the Internet.
WE MUST PREPARE TO FIGHT!!
first of all you are all pedophiles. you may say you arent and you state you never touch kids well what do you think lolicon is. its created after child porn was banned in japan. its a way of giving pedophiles what they want. get it? they look like kids and are small compared to the men that rape them. its sick,. its legal way of getting your child porn with out going to jail. and its a cowardly thing to do. you pedophiles are sick and twisted. hiding behind art please you dont know anything about art(art major here). you get off by looking at a toon that looks physically like a child and that makes you a pedophile. get it. admit it already. lolicon equals child porn. and what about toddlercon is that acceptable too are you not sick fucks because they are toons. you are sick and no child porn is okay. junior idols are also not okay. you fucking bastards. pedophilia is nasty and you are all pedophiles.
I suppose no one has replied to you because feeding the trolls is wrong, but I’m tempted (even though I don’t even like lolis, lol) so…
OK, so what if they’re disgusting and wrong to you? So what if they DO have mental problems? (I’m not saying lolicons are/do, this is hypothetical). A lot of people who aren’t lolicons/pedophiles have the same problem. Millions. Some people have imaginary friends, some people pick their nose. Hell, I think it’s nasty that there’s millions of people who wipe their ass instead of wash it. Should they all be prosecuted just because you and others like you deem them as unfit? They aren’t doing anything wrong to you, anyone else, or actual minors, so the only reason you have is that you think they’re nasty or messed in the head… which aren’t very good reasons.
BTW, I’ve seen people here admit that they’re pedos, if that’s all you’re after. But that doesn’t mean they’re molesters/rapists or that they have/will do harm to any minors. They understand what the word means, unlike most people.
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What. The. Hell.
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There goes the first amendment. FWOOOOOOOOOOOoo-
Look. Most of the people on this site are not interested in Pedophilia. I will sum this up in three words.
Freedom. Of. Speech.
The explanation of the words: In this world of ULTRA SOFT BUNNYZ, it is hard to tell the difference between fantasy and reality. So they eliminate your freedom of media depiction. Anime is not real. Lolicon is not real. You are not a child defender. You are a nutjob. Learn to spell, use capitalization, and stop trying to be a troll. I am sick of hypocrisy, good sir. Shut The Fuck Up and Get The Fuck Out.
Oh, and does playing a violent video game make you a psychopath? I didn’t think so.
*lights cigarette*
This is Beyond lame, and I really hope the law gets struck down in the supreme court, the maw is there to protect real children, not imaginary ones, and by making imaginary ones illegal, you would think it might instead end up causing them to go after real children.
While otakus watching loli get arrested, REAL pedophiles get to out of court free! Isn’t that great! We now get to see what was once America get swirled down a FUCKING TOILET!! SON OF A BITCH!
GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!
The human race is over, let it die off.
I have lost all faith in humanity that I had left. God help us all.
So, let me get this straight. There doesn’t have to be a crime for you to be convicted?
I’m sure no one is reading this thread any more but I just thought I’d point out the average sentence for actual molestation of minors–you know, using your real parts on real kids–runs about 7 years, unless it is pretty egregious. Out on parole after 3 is not uncommon.
So the solution here is simple–don’t download loli hentai, get out there and go after some real kids and save yourself some jail time!