Top Actress Ok So-ri Gets Jail Term for Adultery

Major logic fail there, Jockell. If it were only muslims as you say, then this news article wouldn't even exist in the first place because Islamic religion does not have any significant influence on S. Korean culture and laws.

which is no one. gg

That is exactly the point LOL. And that is why noone has the right to throw stones (figuratively speaking) at the idol for comitting adultery.

Only muslims do not realize this simple message and throw stones (literally lol) at women comitting adultery.

I'm Buddhist (which is basically atheistic in nature, therefore I do not involve myself in this pointless religious bickering), I live In Malaysia, which happens to be an Islamic Country, with no bombings, and Hindus, Muslims, Christans and Buddhist live so closely together. And all of the Muslims that I know basically hate war and love peace, and only follow the good interpretations of the Koran, and are fascinated by Christians. The bombers in 9/11 were DEVIANTS.

Its idiotic obsessed Christians like Jockell that had caused me to have a profound stigma against Christianity, a religion that once I admired and loved.

Go ahead and follow the book. Thousands of years of misprinting and misinterpretation. The Bible was once in Hebrew, and was sadly mistranslated into English. The Ten Commandments was actually the Ten Commitments. Big difference.

I have also seen other religious people following their Bible/Koran/Book so closely that they seem to fall short on reality.

I do not judge a person by their religion. I judge a person by their personality. A person with a foul personality but a strong religious belief is still a foul person.

Tell me now, Jockell. Have you ever met a Muslim? Have you ever met many Muslims? Have you ever met any Muslims from my country? have you even read the Koran? If you haven't and yet you claim them to be animals, then it's sad to say that you do not deserve to be Christian yourself, for I do not recognise you as one, who is supposed to be full of love, joy, and forgiveness, and with sanity.

Oh, and by the way, I'm Chinese. So is Danny Choo. So is Artefact too I believe. So is the Prime Minister of Australia. Do you want us dead? Learn to watch your words before making such remarks. You may very well understand that the pen is mightier than the sword; swing it the wrong way and you'll stabbed by a thousand more pens. Your egoistic and indifference is a flaw, not a strong advantage. It's not our fault your words are easily misinterpreted.

Jockell is free to tell us whatever he wants, and we are free to tell him that he's being stupid. Let freedom ring!

The bible was written by ~~~~MAN~~~~. End of story. It's inherently flawed. Anyone that translates it either literally or metaphorically is wrong. There is no -one- correct translation or interpretation. Deal with it. Stop arguing about it and let Jockell believe what he/she wants. The beauty of...freedom?

Sometimes the random avatar generator screws up. It seems to be happening in this entire thread, not just to the two or three people in this argument.

It isn't an interpretation really, if you know the Bible it really says so in all translations. This is what is taught in Swedish schools in Religion history, which in the first course you study Jews, Christians and Muslims. They are called the Abrahamitian religions, which might be correct in history but while jews and christians accept each other (at least christians), we do not accept muslims.

The only thing that might differ in different translations is if Rachel was a slave or a servant and the ages of Ismael and Isaac (very debated, at least by muslims).
Newer translations of the Bible often go a little softer with things like these, but worth mentioning is also that many newer translations actually doesn't have christians but rather non-believers translating them. Which is very wrong, because then they make it to fit society rather than writing things which might offend non-christian people.

And I admit that what I say might be rather harsh, but that is just because of my very egoistic and indifferent personality.
In the end, it is all up to God.
And christiany is the only sane religion really, because it is all a matter of belief. You do not need anything else than belief. Of course you should not sin, but it is forgiven by christ on the cross and in the end all you need is belief and the wish to not sin (even if it is inevitable in some cases).

Yikes, quite hard writing long texts with a bit too much wine in the body. Should not drink an entire flask while watching anime. >_<

I though Hagar was Zarcon's witch?

Rachel isn't the name of the Abraham's slave. It's Hagar.

I thought Hagar was a comic strip character?

funny that so many Christians, and just some people in general, wish for the death of all muslims because they think their religion is telling them to kill all of THEM. You're just becoming exactly the same as the thing you're saying to hate! lol

It's funny that so many hate/fear the religious zealots on the other side of the world when we have a bunch of equally crazy nuts in our own backyards, just with less power... at the moment at least.

"I am a christian and I want to see the painful death of every muslim on this planet."

Wow, what a great statement. You just gotta love those religion guys.

Perhaps you should re-read the collected works of your boss sometimes, he has made some statements about "love" and "enemies" there.

I am a christian and I want to see the painful death of every muslim on this planet.

So no, don't mention us in the same sentence. Jews and christians don't want to know of the muslims as an abrahamit religion and in the bible it says that muslims are more animal than man, with a donkey as example.
Not to mention that the historic national poet Dante places Muhammed in the 8th circle of Hell in his famous work Divina Commedia.

Meh muslims and christians. All the same when it comes backwards thinking.

Ignorant religious zealots, don't you just love them? And yes, you are ignorant Jockell, and you are a disgrace to the Abrahamian based religion worshippers out there

Islam and Christianity are both Judaic-derived religions, so there's really quite a lot of common ground between them.

Shut all up and don't believe in any of this shit xD

There's all sorts of stupid biblical interpretations like that. Another example is how people used the story of Noah and his son Ham to justify enslaving black people.

what the fuck people, why spend so much damn effort if you don't care \(/____\)/ you guys need to learn to TAKE IT FUKKEN EASY.

"It’s because of people like Jockell that I left the ministry."

It's too bad you (and the majority of Christians who think like you) left the ministry- it means the only people left are people like Jockell. This means that Christianity will be lead by angry, stupid, and ultimately pitiful creatures: instead of following Jesus's words of peace, they would rather nuke people God CHOSE to make into a nation, meaning they think they know better than Jesus Himself. A sad end to a meaningful religion.

Leaving the ministry was a very hard decision for me. Even more so due to the fact that my family came from a long line of pastors. Believe me, I wrestled so much with the guilt that I was abandoning the church to the growing ranks of those filled with hate. But ultimately, I had to accept that the actual worldly institution of the church does not matter. As long as there are people who follow the message of love, mercy, and universal brotherhood, the true spirit of the church will live on in their lives.

I might have just been trying to rationalize my decision to leave, but I found Revelations 21:22-23 to be relevant to my situation:
"I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp."

Afaik, christianity belief in sin isnt the action itself but the thought.
You want to indiscriminately kill of a couple of million human beings, and yes, they are human beings no matter their belief.

Guess what, you're not a christian, you are a man/woman/thing that wants attention so you go and post some random shit about muslims as a comment on Korean's and their backway laws (wich actually exist to some extent in US too, just not as extreme)

//Anon, of the belief that God is a pink invisible unicorn, with three eyes

It's because of people like Jockell that I left the ministry.

No, I am not ignorant. I am just indifferent. If there are people that I hate, I would rather have them dead. Simple as that. I hate the Russians too, and communists like the chinese.

And Artefact...LOL. I won't go for it too much since you run this great site, but if you know your religion history you would know how the islamic people came to be. Remember Abraham (the muslims call him Ibrahim)? His wife couldn't get pregnant and he was allowed to make a child with one of his slaves, Rachel, which he did. But then God let his wife become pregnant even though she was too old. And because Rachel and her child, Ismael, were not happy with a real heir, Isaac, replacing Ismael they got sent away after treating Isaac ill.
And just when Rachel were about to kill herself and Ismael because they were pretty much dying in the desert, God stopped her and told her that Ismael would be the father of a people larger than the amount of stars in the sky and also that they would be more animal than man, refering to a donkey.
And what people is that? You guess... (the muslims approve of this too, so nothing to argue about)

I don't care what your belief is but this is a fact that it says so in the Bible. Doesn't it fit quite well with how they behave? They all act like animals, got no self-restraint, has the stubborness of a donkey and seem to completly lack the IQ of an intelligent human being.

A few well-aimed nuclear bombs in the middle-east and Africa and we are on our way to my ideal world. Lolz.

So, er.. doesn't it look A BIT suspicious when two or three assumed persons argue with eachother even though they have the same avatar?

'Free love'

Would you like me to give examples of how messed up the hippie communes that actually operated on this principle in the 1960s were?

Stupid woman. Probably a whore too aren't you?

Monogamy is the natural order of society. It is a universal human trait. Observed in all cultures, even those that have never had any contact with Christians.

Isolated tribes in the Amazon and Papua New Guinea are monogamous. Chinese are monogamous. Buddhists, Hindus, pagans, shinto etc. all monogamous.

Many mammal species are monogamous. Even some bird species are monogamous such as penguins. It's biologically imprinted into us. And contrary to popular myth, males are even more faithful and monogamous than females. 65% of all marital infidelity is committed by the female. That's biological too. Once she has a mate to care for her young, it no longer matters to the female where she gets her sperm from. But it does matter to the male, so it's in his interest to remain monogamous and care for his own offspring and make sure his mate remains faithful.

You have no self-control maybe, but others do.

Mice breed with their siblings.

Adultery is only justified when there is sound justification. If it the other legal partner fails to fulfill the needs of the other partner, then adultery is justified. It is only unjustified when the other partner has fulfilled his or her needs but still seeks more.

At least, that's what I believe.

A long wall of angry and sexist text from an Anonymous. I liked Anon better when it was concise and snarky.

Yes, adultery should be a right. It may not be very nice to the partner, but this is between partners to work out socially not law. The only place law should come into it is if partners want to divorce.

I'm also pro-polygamy. This serial monogamy and adultery thing is shit. I think so much adultery and cheating wouldn't happen if people could actually be with more than one person normally. Seriously, telling people to stay together for life and only them two or divorce is just begging for people to look for something on the side and and commit "adultery".

Adultery, Bigamy, Free Love. No problems here.

Is adultery a fundamental human right then? In your opinion? Because that's what you seem to be intimating here.

But Jockell also has the same avatar even though his IP is different. Is the avatar system broken?

So what about the other anons with the same avatar? They're not necessarily all the same IP?

Is Jockell the same?

Too lazy to do a whois atm, but doesn't dsl254-122-*.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net just indicate the DSL-AC of some ISP in New York City (nyc1)? I know, it's a strange coincidence for 4+ people who not only live in the same area but also happen to subscribe to the same ISP to engage in a heavy debate on morals and religion on an anime/manga/games/Japan news site. But New York is rather large, so it doesn't seem impossible?

Might they be individuals on a local net (say in an apartment bldg) that have the same IP at the gateway? Can you differentiate by OS/browser? I know that this can be spoofed however. They (or He/She if it is one person) have seperate logins.. at the time of creation are there some similarities that can be discerned to avoid stuff like this in the future? It seems to upset you.