Comments on: Touhou Creator ZUN to Masses: No Touhou for You

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 18 Sep 2011 21:41:26 +0000

But many fans just want a high quality TOUHOU anime, even if non-canon. It can be a totally new Touhou that has no canon relations to the current Windows games much like how the current Windows Games have no canon ties to the classic PC-98 games.

By: Jürgen

Jürgen — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 19:46:13 +0000

Although I only kind of skimmed the article so feel free to troll away but I feel it's his creation so he should be able to do whatever he feels like.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 08 May 2011 16:39:51 +0000

>serve the fans by "fans" you mean "masses" and by "serve" you mean "sell out to" The second option translates to serve the loyal fans and protect touhou from becoming popular with the hetalia naruto and bleach fanbases simultaniously and keep the franchise from being whored out to dirty capitilists. Do you really want to be having a conversation about touhou with someone, ask "whats your favorite game?" and get "there are touhou games???" as a response

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:57:57 +0000

I believe there is an answer to all your worries. All the worries are separating ZUN from Others. If ZUN collaborates and has, lets say a bigger share in a project like Anime. Then that Touhou would become another branch of him, it will also celebrate his original and ZUN will still have control over it. Taken he does everything properly. In this case the question lies, would the peoples who he wants to work in a project with give him the control that he wants to over Touhou in and over that project like he has in his original Touhou~? ^^

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 05:34:33 +0000

if anything, it'll divide the fandom. take pokemon, for example. some people play only the games and will talk about ebs and natures and stuff. some fans play only the tcg, some only watch the anime and movies, and some are a mix.

if he wants touhou to be a pure danmaku franchise, then he should just say so without having to bash other fan-made things. if it's a copyright issue then ZUN by all means sue.

in any case, he makes money, right? i for one don't think he should be complaining, but he is right for stressing the fact that the anime isn't official. he should get at least royalties for it.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 05:30:41 +0000

any touhou fan loose on the internet will have listened to Kero Destiny and Perfect Math Class, both of which have voices. these are not fanmade either!=, they're from Touhou Project!

more likely, i think he thinks that the fandom is taking touhou where he does not want it to go..

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 05:26:28 +0000

i have played a couple of games, and i cannot name all the characters..

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 30 Jan 2011 06:30:31 +0000

ZUN...is just scared of what his anime will become. He doesn't want it to get out of control like some anime out there (Pokemon, and someone said). You have to understand, put yourself in his shoes. Although i do understand that he may be going overboard, he's just being protective of something he loves and possibly we all love. While he is rather overprotective of it, I still see where he comes from. But I also see where people opposing him come from. Either way, I don't want Touhou to get out of control. YEs there's a chance it won't be that way, but I don't deal in chance. And I don't think ZUN does either.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:52:15 +0000

Some of the diehard Touhou fans that can name all the characters are yet to play the games.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:51:15 +0000

Awesome games...?

I know some diehard Touhou fans that can name 90+% of all the characters, love the music and character designs but are yet to play the games.

And those fans make up a large amount of Touhou's fanbase.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:49:15 +0000

The problem is simple, really: ZUN wants Touhou to be defined primarily by his pet project games.

In this, his desires conflict with those of his fans, who want more exposure to the universe than ZUN is willing to produce. Fandom is only an imperfect compromise, dissatisfying to fans because of it's limited scope and dissatisfying to ZUN when it begins to redefine Touhou.

As the creator of the franchise, ZUN is faced with a choice:

Serve the fans, let the franchise grow into more than you intended.

Serve your vision, copyright everything and drop the hammer on projects that alter the creative direction of your franchise in public perception.

Or waffle, do a little of both, and everybody stays malcontent.

It looks like he's made his choice.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:43:11 +0000

I think that what pisses this guy off is that his original work has picked up momentum thanks to people that are not him. Especially now that professional voice actresses have actually worked on it.

I can sort of understand that. Being the creator of something and apparently very zealous about his work could cause him to react like that.

Still, why does he think people wouldn't be curious about the original work, in light of a semi-professional looking thing like this?

I discovered Tsukihime and its rather interesting (Nasu)verse thanks to Melty Blood ReACT...

But to each their own, I guess.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:30:45 +0000

So he is forced to make actualy notable games to begin with...If he now creates a touhou game with voice acting, he could just hire the voice actors from the anime (wich makes sense and dosn't cost as much as someone, who actual doing voiceacting as a job)
The creator could now react spontaniously and work with the anime creator team together to create a game wich could be a really good indeed.
I would buy it. <:3

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:26:19 +0000

Of Course, it's a shooting game. But he does expand on the characters in his Touhou books and the Cage in Lunatic project

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:48:15 +0000

You know, one of the problems of ZUN is that he doesn't know how to make stories well. Most of the time he just makes a plot for the game to give reasons for the old and new characters to mess around but doesn't take the story too seriously and lacking characterizations. Of course that will cause the fans to make their own stories to fill up the absence of the character's stories. I'm aware that he made stories on doujin comics or mangas out of Touhou but it doesn't seem to be enough. Just take the example of Silent Sinner in Blue which he officially made. Honestly, it's not that good and this is not merely the artist's fault which ZUN asked to draw and some fans seem to blame but it's his fault as well. If he's not going to fill up the gap of the flaws of Touhou, then he shouldn't be mad if some people are trying to make their own version of Touhou.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 11:21:12 +0000

>to get to the story
... e.e

By: xan

xan — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 08:51:22 +0000

I've just recently discovered the touhou project and I must say, I'm completely blown away by it. How I came about it was through a search for a good shmup. As a gamer, I can understand ZUN's sentiments in this matter. Even as an artist, I understand where he's coming from - and from what I've failed to see in these post is that this man is an artist. Let's not forget this man single-handely created the touhou series; in art, music and game. I feel this is what he had originally intended for his work. Of course, ZUN should feel blessed, honored even, that his hard work has generated a community of devoted fans - fans that have, obviously, shown much love. I understand he doesn't want those not familiar with touhou to see this anime' and believe this it's "official". I don't know, this situation just feels like a spell-card being casted on us: beautiful, but deadly at the same time.

By: Anon The Czar

Anon The Czar — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:10:52 +0000

Must be saying: "Give credit to where credit's due, bitch."
And indeed it surely is due. Maybe he should go the Pixel route and team up with Nicalis to release remakes of the PC-98 Touhou games (MAYbe Windows ones later on).

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 02:50:09 +0000

I somewhat know what ZUN means. The perfect example and probably what he has on his mind is Pokemon. As we all know, Pokemon was once known as a great gaming trend, but the anime, with its childish antics, turned alot of people off to pokemon, and I think ZUN is afraid of this as well. But this series needs more depth than it has. ZUN has created a monster, he made something he thought was a "college project" but also made a great plot and characters and a simple shooting game never covered much of what fans wanted to know. This caused some fan-fiction that became both popular and indirect. A perfect example is the infamous Flandre. She is know for her difficulty and boss theme, but other than being described as "Nuts", not much has been explained. This has spawned some stupid yet somewhat realistic fan-fic., like some I have seen show a total monster of Flandre, wanting to destroy everything, and calling her sister a "bitch" constantly, yet others I have seen her afraid of her own powers and wanting to protect others from her power, hell, I have even seen one where Remilia has sex with a woman, and it wasn't hentai either. ZUN let us taste the cake, but not have it too. My advice to ZUN is to work with the company and make OVAs', but not full blown anime like Bleach or naruto. He should also put on the front of every episode, "based on the Touhou shooting games" because we aren't ignorant, as many here have said, we can all google and research and it won't be hard to stumble onto the games, and love them. In closing, I see this as a window to the games, something to extend the hand of Touhou, not put a glove over it.

By: Cerenado

Cerenado — Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:38:11 +0000

Why skip the marketing and profit opportunities? xD
Look at Higurashi and Umineko now...

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:47:37 +0000

Don't promote your doujins to people who haven't experienced the real thing. Why would you indulge yourself in a fanbased franchise instead of the actual thing. ZUN wants people to play his game. He's afraid new people will believe the fanmade anime is/should be the original. If you created a game and a fanbase was formed around something that someone else BASED on your game and looked down upon the original source, how would you feel? I think that's how ZUN is feeling with maikaze's anime. By the way, I've been wondering how the helllll did he manage to get professional seiyuu?!

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:43:09 +0000

Hmm. How did I come upon Touhou... I believe I saw a flash from the nico nico douga kumikyoku. The flashes have voices. Why isn't ZUN cracking down on those? Yet I believe he right to act like this. Up to a certain extent. Creating rules is almost crossing the line of influential creator to Overlord.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:33:48 +0000

I dont.....really get it. What's happening here?

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:54:26 +0000

ZUN really enjoys making his games. He makes them because he couldn't find a fun game for himself, so he was like: I'll make my own game, and it'll be awesome!! The only thing he needs the money for is for beer. ZUN will be making his games untill he dies of alcohol poisoning. We all know that almost every game that started small but went commercial went down the drain (Sonic games, for example), because they needed to please their so-called new "fanbase". They changed things in the games to please this new fanbase. But because they didn't pay attention to the original fanbase, the original fanbase gets smaller and smaller. And everyone knows that people in the "new fanbase" will never be a fan of the same game for longer than 2 months, and thus, the fanbase just got even smaller. (I can't really explain what I think, my english ain't great. :(