On page 2 of the men's she screams "EEEEE EHHHH!"
Then he punches her in the back of the head and shoves an octopus op her ass.
fallowed bay 12 pages of him cumming,flipping her over and starting again.

1) I find men ero-manga to more annoying and do most of the time place women as stupid and only good for sex.
2) Ero-manga for women are your typical wishy-washy load about how we one way or another get to change "our" man. Or how he might be rough but he'll come aroun with love.

In the end both are bullshit but I have to say from an artistic point of view I enjoy Men's ero manga way more. I mean do you notice the damn detail on a vagina or a penis? Seriously. It's ridiculously detailed.

Sure, the work of Yutaka Tanaka sensei is the best example of Ero manga for men with the couple are acting with full consent ... even a little bit arkward ...

The other works in my list would be

1. the works by Umino Sachi (AYA) sensei - very funny and LOL ... with some case of Hitozuma, Mibojin, etc etc.

2. the works by Wataru Watanabe sensei - another funny -with very cutting edge and - jiggling D-Cup.

3. the works by Sano Takashi sensei - LOL with Lolicon + Tsundere or even those well-endow hot ladies etc etc ... and charactor development to boot.... and even the trap!

If the ero manga for men for the case with full consent, you can see the faces/eyes of these male protagonists. Otherwise, you cannot see their eyes or their hidden faces.

Let me give you one good example. I'm a very outgoing girl, I'm talkative, and very much so like to make decisions...yes I'm bossy, God bless my fiance for putting up with me.

Now my fiance...he's the shy Japanese guy who doesn't talk much and goes with the flow of things. He doesn't like making problems, and agrees a lot with whatever is going on.

When the doors are closed, I LOVE him to be the dominant one. Hell I know it, he's a lolicon, and I have a SW size fetish (google it) where I like to be used as his personal sex toy. You cannot compare how people feel and act in public and how they feel and act in private.

My opinion...
Personally, I don't like the torture that much. I definately prefer an expression like that of the girl's on the right than on the left. She appears to enjoy and be more taken away by the touching rather than being completely forced and under torture. But I do like the exposure... As long as I see the girl perfectly, I could go for the right for sure.

But on the other hand, it's so much easier when it's a loving relationship between two people with proper buildup and resolution. Notice the keyword "proper". Even if it can be loosely defined (and somewhat personal), I know one when I see one.

What I'm saying is there's still a good spot of me that prefers the shoujo part that clearly depicts the emotion shows during the act. I got kind of sick enough of faceless group of men or tentacle action.

The most plausible explanation is that they are made so that we (we as in, males) can project ourselves instead of the AFMAP (Ageless, Faceless, Male/Masculine Avatar Perspective) that we so often see.

That's maybe probably why I have a lot of beef with games like, say, Lightning Warrior Raidy. It goes to show that no matter how competent the woman is, she can't fend herself against raep. Those games go out of their way to prevent depiction of males, or males that are honorable, instead depicting them to be shallow, as if presenting that you, as a player/viewer, is better (or it may be just pandering to the fetish; again, this is relative, but this is how I see it).

I know Japan is a highly, very highly patriarchal society. Even the language is constructed carefully to reflect this (cf. honorifics and female speech pattern). This makes it quite understandable, but still, I have some problems about it. That's why they feel that any "bokukko" (ie, masculine-ish) girls are a bit of fish-out-of-water, that ultimately needs to be corrected, in terms of male-female relationship.

What I seldom see is a near-equivalence between the lead and his love interest. Even some yaoi stories prefer the ukes to be highly femininized (eg, Gravitation, though in this case, it's a little subverted).

Just like so many above, I prefer the male to be a fleshed, rounded character, not a horny faceless devil. Although I still believe that in some respects, males are a little superior than females, it's more to the fact that females are superior to males in other respects, thus complementing each other.

In dansei, the female is reduced to an object to look at, and the male reduced as a faceless avatar for ourselves to be projected on. On josei, it's a little bit reversed, but carries a heavier content of "feelings" involved. So, repeating the comments above, I like the dansei artwork, but prefers the presentation of the josei.

a nonsensical tl;dr: the josei gives me the impression that "it's okay to be raeped if the guy is drop-dead gorgeous." in b4 broken aesop, anyone?

Oh, and, Onni, I didn't understand your Touhou reference, could you explain?

I'm dabbling in erotic illustrations, especially those similar to CGs found in visual novels. I notice too in visual novels where the guys are faceless and I don't like that.

But if the guys are like in EF they look pretty good so why not draw them enjoying it as well.

Most doujinshi and tentacle-themed illustrations are just bodily fluids galore -- I honestly have no frickin clue how anybody could get off to that.

Maybe I'm a sensitive person but I also don't like the compositing in porn where the asshole stud is shown -- maybe because he looks exactly like an asshole stud porn king.

Give me porn with reasonable guy with a decent non-asshole face -- you know the kind of guy who would help an old woman cross the street -- sexing his girl up in a non-malicious but still dominating fashion.

I'm really torn in which of these I appreciate the most. I love the little details put into the left one and I, like you, appreciate it when the male is drawn out. I don't know why, but the faceless male just freaks me out, it always has been. I guess I'm just not fond of raep... which is kind of the feeling I get when you have one or more faceless males doing the dirty.

I think the details put into the male character in the josei comic makes him a more believable character and the fact that the two most obvious female sexual organs (to a man) are covered up, it makes the situation a lot more... I don't know... realistic? Like, it happened all of a sudden and neither parties threw off all their clothes to get going.

I guess I don't want to be projected into a comic really, at least I don't feel the need to be helped into that.

As Onni commented, the Josei comic is somewhat... bland in the artstyle, and the Dansei is a lot more "recent"... Don't really know if this is a common difference between the two (I've yet to read much Josei) but it's something that makes me lean more towards #1's art-style, but with the subtlety of the Josei.