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The revelation that flat goddess Nagi-sama, of Kannagi, had a boyfriend and thus may not in fact be a virgin has provoked a storm of outrage on 2ch, with obsessive fans vowing to throw out their manga, cancel their dakimakura orders, etc. Otaku viciously proclaim they have no need of a “second-hand” wife.

Others hold this to be the era of Zange-chan, available for a mere ¥100 a go

The problem stems from a few lines in the latest chapter:

“Second-hand” Nagi Provokes Otaku Storm

There’s no need to go into spoiling detail on the rest (not that there really is any).

Their histrionics are seen as all the more ridiculous considering no actual allusion to sex has even been made, just the introduction of an “ex-boyfriend character”.

It is also noted that those complaining are the main audience for all manner of interesting doujin works

About the only worthwhile point raised is that the timing of such a revelation (if indeed it is such, and not merely the obsessive ravings of a thousand NEET virgin hunters) seems odd, given that it arrives just in time to coincide with the DVD release and therefore have a deleterious effect on sales, assuming such otaku are numerous enough to have an impact. Possibly there is some mistake?

Another interesting point raised is that for a thousand-year-old goddess to be a virgin might just be the more objectionable, though perhaps not to otaku.

You can read the relevant portions of the thread here.

Perhaps these wretches would like to file for a virtual divorce?



    153 Comments
    Comment by Kaioshin Sama
    10-11-2008 17:03 # Report

    Gotta love Otaku politics.

     
    Comment by Tomo-pyon
    10-11-2008 17:20 # Report

    otaku..politics?

     
    Comment by EcureuilMatrix
    10-11-2008 17:43 # Report

    Yeah, complaining about Nagi’s potential sex life is kinda wack for ero-doujins consumers.

    Shouldn’t experience be a plus?

    Comment by karry
    10-11-2008 18:48 # Report

    For whores ? Definitely yes.
    For a love interest ? Well, only in morally bankrupt Euro countries and USia. I wonder what kind of “experience” your mother had…

    Comment by Artefact
    10-11-2008 19:04 # Report

    Funny that you would say that, considering where you hail from…

     
    Comment by EcureuilMatrix
    11-11-2008 15:21 # Report

    “morally bankrupt”? O RLY?

    If this kind of stupidity and blatant double standard represents “moral solvency”, then I would rather write in red ink ever after.

    (And what in holy blazes has my mother ever got to do with this? With all due disrespect, you are spewing crap.)

    Comment by iragedsohard
    12-11-2008 10:55 # Report

    Nice, ad hominem because it makes you right.

     
     
    14-11-2008 09:11 # Report

    Sounds like someone’s angry that *his* ladies of negotiable affection charge him extra.

     
    Comment by Question Mark
    01-01-2009 18:15 # Report

    Failure on a massive level

     
     
    Comment by NO FAGGOT
    20-11-2008 16:30 # Report

    NO FAGGOT.

     
    Comment by Anonymous
    15-01-2009 07:41 # Report

    I agree, as long as she’s not a ho, experience is a plus.

     
     
    Comment by Garland
    10-11-2008 17:49 # Report

    Haha, these complaints just… reek of otaku-ism.

    As you say, she’s a thousand-year old goddess. And she doesn’t really seem like your typical wall-flower, so I’d say it’s a pretty certain bet there’s been a tumble or two…

    Then again, a lot of her character traits are stupid-innocent-ish (for example the “magic wand”), which I suppose could be an indication from the creator that she’s yet to have tasted “the forbidden fruit” and grown up.

    Still, such a silly thing to obsess about. このロリコンどもめ!

    Comment by Artefact
    10-11-2008 17:53 # Report

    A lot of the posters kept on about it being an idol anime, hence their disappointment. The opening, which seemed to me to be a parody, seems a tenuous basis from which to demand idol like chastity…

    Comment by Garland
    11-11-2008 04:20 # Report

    That’s certainly true of course. I didn’t think about that approach; and with the general morning musume-thing going (no boyfriend, no experience, no realism), I guess it kind of annoyed some people… I’m not all too familiar with Japanese idoltry (sp?) myself, so this all kind of came as a bit of a culture “eh?” to me.

     
    Comment by Question Mark
    01-01-2009 18:18 # Report

    if people keep setting their standards to unreasonable then they are going to crash and drown in their sorrows, I say put the Otakus at the stake or better yet throw them in public we’ll see how they are then

     
     
    Comment by your local otaku
    18-12-2008 15:14 # Report

    why is this such a big deal…she must of had tasted “the forbidden fruit” once or twice in her long life,and i think she is simply a child at heart.

    Either way those that are complaining really need to get out more..but then again for those J-otaku already have a couple of screws louse as it is.

     
     
    Comment by Kresnik
    10-11-2008 17:53 # Report

    Yeah, their jealousy doesn’t really make much sense. I bet they want to be Nagi’s boyfriend and possibly raep her themselves. I called it Otaku Hypocrisy.

    Comment by gate
    10-11-2008 18:43 # Report

    that is so true, just cause nagi has an ex boyfriend, the otaku just throw up a fuss. Its a fantasy story and people shouldn’t get too serious with it.

     
     
    Comment by Quen
    10-11-2008 18:17 # Report

    Say it isn’t so, Nagi =D

    Comment by Artefact
    10-11-2008 18:25 # Report

    You’re not going to cancel your orders, are you?

    Comment by Quen
    10-11-2008 18:36 # Report

    Of course not, Nagi is love.

    But perhaps I can use this as a basis to ask for a discount on my orders, seeing how my Nagi is already second-hand! ^^

    Comment by Artefact
    10-11-2008 18:42 # Report

    Quoth 2ch:

    “It’s a good job I bought the manga second-hand after Nagi turns out to be that too.”

     
    Comment by Quen
    10-11-2008 18:52 # Report

    Hehe :)

    I was planning on going to Book-Off sooner or later for Kannagi/Index/Kemeko, I should hold up a Kannagi manga next to the “second-hand” 中古 sign and take a photo, perhaps.

     
    Comment by NO FAGGOT FAN
    05-05-2009 00:28 # Report

    I lol’ed at no faggotry. NO FAGGOT!! wahahahha

     
     
     
     
    Comment by Anonymous
    10-11-2008 18:31 # Report

    Nagi is a slut. A dirty used whore.

    Comment by DriftWise
    12-11-2008 11:49 # Report

    So are most Actual whores, yet people keep going to them? So in other words, you’re saying people will keep flocking back to Nagi. I like that thinking :3

     
    Comment by Question Mark
    01-01-2009 18:21 # Report

    You’re damn right she is, been plowing her every night of everyday, gotta love the flat chicks they know how to play

     
    Comment by Anonymous
    20-01-2009 22:16 # Report

    because she had a boyfriend? did YOU sleep with the first boyfriend/girlfriend you had? i didn’t.

    Comment by Adieu
    23-03-2009 01:38 # Report

    I did =)

     
     
     
    Comment by KonW
    10-11-2008 18:36 # Report

    so here we see possibly most clearly the difference between western and eastern concepts about this over-discussed topic.

    you may find it difficult to understand but actually 99% of the female protagonists in anime/manga/gal are virgins,unless the series itself is the H kind without any notable plot other than sex, and even so ,mostly they are never “second-hand”(their only possible sex partner is the male protagonist).
    the only exception i can think of is Saber in the Fate series, and believe me, the rage here is no surprise to any native easterners.

    Comment by Haesslich
    10-11-2008 18:50 # Report

    I can think of another who is an exception – Saki from Genshiken and maybe Ohno, although the latter doesn’t talk about her sex life all that much pre-Genshiken. And Saber was supposed to be a warrior maiden who never DID have time for love, which is why the ‘recharge’ scene was so significant in the game.

    Now, the Heaven’s Feel scenario…

    Comment by KonW
    10-11-2008 19:17 # Report

    Genshiken is so pure a H game that has almost nothing but H, so no surprise there,,, and there may be “second-hand” girls in some galgames in which you can “choose the route of theirs” to play but they are always alternatives which only adds fun to the game or panders to plyers with special tastes(no offensive intended) and are never main characters.

    you’ll know Saber is not a virgin, if you recall the lines she said before she did the blowjob for Shirou in the game.

    Comment by ToastCrust
    11-11-2008 00:23 # Report

    Not to mention, through some awful prank of Merlin’s giving her a penis, Saber gained a son who was the one that killed her.

     
    Comment by iragedsohard
    12-11-2008 10:59 # Report

    Thanks for the spoilers, faggot.

     
    Comment by mellow_bunny
    12-11-2008 11:27 # Report

    I giggled. ^

     
     
     
    Comment by kuromitsu
    10-11-2008 19:13 # Report

    It’s not a difference between eastern and western concepts, it’s plain old sexism and male chauvinism. The idea of a non-virgin girl being “used goods” is not foreign to the west (and pretty much to the whole world) though thankfully western society seems to be mostly over it. Mostly. As is Japanese society, as far as I know.

    The rage over a _fictional_ character not being a virgin wouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone familiar with otaku subculture. After all, otaku are regarded as maniacs for a reason, and male otaku are not exactly the defenders of women’s rights and gender equality.

    Comment by Artefact
    10-11-2008 19:19 # Report

    I was going to make a similar point – it really is about maniacal virgin-complex otaku fantasists rather than anything cultural.

    The vast majority of the Japanese comments on this (outside of the thread) are absolutely scathing of, and disgusted with, the attitude of the Nagi haters.

    Comment by KonW
    10-11-2008 20:15 # Report

    then why are the haters all(or at lest, most of them are) eastern?
    see, there is something cultural, which showed itself even among the otakus.

     
    Comment by Artefact
    10-11-2008 20:17 # Report

    There are no non-otaku haters. Nobody else cares.

     
    Comment by KonW
    10-11-2008 20:25 # Report

    im not saying that all easterns share the same concept but you should admit that there are overwhelmingly more estern haters/otakus than western ones/otakus that raged, and i think that’s something you call culture.

     
    Comment by neothoron
    10-11-2008 22:43 # Report

    Even if your observation (There is less outcry among western otaku than among eastern otaku.) is correct, that is not enough to conclude that eastern culture is worse than west culture.

    In the west, think about the people that would be outraged by the fact that a love interest is not a virgin: only people that take religion very seriously and quite narrow-minded come to my mind.

    What is the chance that such people would be western otaku? to be an otaku in the west, you have to get exposed to it and to get over a (albeit small) number of prejudices. Both are not very likely for the above-mentioned people.
    Hence, people that get to be western otaku rarely coincide with western people that hate the prospect of marrying a non-virgin.

    In Japan, I would guess that it is easier to be culturally narrow-minded and to be an otaku.

    My point is: there is as much stupidity on this matter in the west as in Japan, only this kind of western idiots are not into manga/anime/anything otaku.

     
     
     
     
    Comment by Acesan
    10-11-2008 18:48 # Report

    There’s always Zange-chan, I liked her better anyway ^_^;;

     
    Comment by the monster
    10-11-2008 18:53 # Report

    i’d still hit it…

    Comment by Onni
    29-11-2008 00:56 # Report

    Of course. We all would. And from a procreation standpoint, having goddess powers the children of such offspring would be well built to survive. It’s an evolutionarily sound idea that a man would look for the best genes in opposite sex.

    And she’ll be able to look over your kids for all eternity! It’s really a win win situation.

     
     
    Comment by David
    Comment by zonic505
    10-11-2008 20:28 # Report

    My thoughts exactly. It’s amazing how far people will take their fanboy-ness…

     
    Comment by gate
    10-11-2008 20:38 # Report

    man i had a good laugh, that is so right man. those people should do that.

     
    Comment by Trezaquets
    10-11-2008 22:45 # Report

    hhahahahahha,.,.,.
    maybe this is the truth, , ,

     
    Comment by Lord Byegone
    11-11-2008 09:57 # Report

    xD jajajajajajaja, tenia tiempo que no me Tenia tiempo que no me reía tanto xD.
    Estos otakus fundamentalistas de la pureza xD , bueno.. ya puedo imaginar las discusiones maritales de aquellos que se casaron con Nagi xD
    Aquí un ejemplo:

    -OtakuX: ¿Cómo pudiste engañarme Nagi?
    -Nagi: ………………
    -OtakuX: ¿Es que no tienes nada que decirme?
    -Nagi: ………………
    -OtakuX: ¿No recuerdas los días que dejaba de ir al colegio por verte a ti?
    -Nagi: ………………
    -OtakuX: Todo te lo di… ¡Maldita sea! y tu…..
    -Nagi: ………………
    -OtakuX: (llanto prolongado)
    -Nagi: ………………
    Pram!!!!!! (Sonido de computadora cayendo desde el tercer piso de un apartamento)
    -OtakuX: (encerrado en el baño, sonidos no identificados)
    ¡ESTOY SOLO!, ¡SOLO!, ¡SOLOOOO!!!!
    (manos llenas de semen)

    Un ejemplo típico xD

    Comment by Hellfish
    22-11-2008 10:22 # Report

    Ajajajajajaja Lo más triste es que es una representación exacta de su reacción pero ajajajaja no puedo parar de reir!!!

     
    Comment by Anonymous
    04-01-2009 10:27 # Report

    So the English speakers can get in on the lulz:

    How could you lie to me, Nagi?

    Do you have nothing to say to me?

    Don’t you remember all the days that I skipped class to watch you? [Something along those lines]

    I gave you everything… goddamnit! And you…

    (long pause)

    CRASH! (Sound of the computer being thrown from the third floor of an apartment building)

    (locked in the bathroom) I’M ALONE! ALONE! ALOOOONE!

     
     
     
    Comment by Jade
    10-11-2008 19:19 # Report

    i lol’ed
    not much different with singer and idol ehhh
    the moment they had scandal, album sales drop…
    bcoz they are “not pure” anymore.. XD

     
    Comment by H_R
    10-11-2008 19:20 # Report

    I knew plot twist could have major impact on fans, but I never, EVER thought that this kind of twist would have that kind of impact ;–a

     
    Comment by DuDe
    10-11-2008 20:07 # Report

    Man….

    Just because she had an ex-boyfriend… just because of that, they think Nagi is not virgin anymore?

    Gimme a break dammit… That’s the dumbest think I’ve ever heard in my life….

    Anyway I still love Nagi…. I don’t give a DAMN care about that..

    Pettan Goddess FTW!!!!

     
    Comment by maru
    10-11-2008 20:11 # Report

    It’s too much to let go! xD
    So.. *ahem* is not counted as impurity eh? ^^

     
    Comment by kareal
    10-11-2008 20:38 # Report

    She’s a damn god reincarnate

    why does it matter?

     
    Comment by dood
    10-11-2008 21:02 # Report

    this reminds me of the american tv show Felicity, which the main heroine did a her-cut between seasons and the ratings for the show drop.

    shows you that even the slightest changes can cause fans to overreact.

     
    Comment by tj han
    10-11-2008 21:43 # Report

    This is great news! I mean, it’s amazingly interesting news. Are you sure it’s not just a vocal minority?

    Comment by Artefact
    10-11-2008 22:01 # Report

    A vocal minority of Kannagi fans, or of otaku? I dare say most fans are not otaku, but of the otaku Nagi devotees there seems to be a very substantial contingent of disillusioned fans.

    The news is more about the outrageous response of otaku than the issue of Nagi-sama’s maidenhood (although for otaku this is the news).

    This isn’t the first time something like this has happened so it seems fairly regular. I believe there was a similar issue with an Aria character…

    Comment by potatoe
    10-11-2008 22:33 # Report

    Do otaku really make that big a difference to sales? If they do, it does seem like strange move on the author’s part considering how much 2ch seems to have enjoyed the show so far.

    Comment by Artefact
    10-11-2008 22:36 # Report

    Normal people do not buy dakimakura…

     
    Comment by potatoe
    10-11-2008 22:53 # Report

    I meant to dvd sales and the rest of the erm… more mainstream merchandise.

     
    Comment by Artefact
    10-11-2008 23:07 # Report

    Since sales of a popular DVD only mount into the low tens of thousands, I would think an affect from hundreds or thousands of disaffected otaku could be felt (perhaps).

     
    Comment by Tk
    10-11-2008 23:26 # Report

    well…

    if each otaku spend 1000 bucks

    (dvds,figures,daki-makura,etc)

    1000 otakus X 1000 bucks = 1000000

    I’m not sure of how much they spend, but probably is around 1000(maybe much more).

     
    Comment by Endz
    10-11-2008 23:46 # Report

    Well considering the DVD cost around 5k yen. and 5k yen is approximately 50$.

    so that would be 50$ per person lost.

    50$x1000 people = 50k$ (looking at play-asia prices)

    50k$ converted back to yen = 5m yen

    + Nagi merchandise lost to outraged otakus

    That would cost them millions of yen! Probably the author didn’t expect them to be this outraged.

     
    Comment by ToastCrust
    11-11-2008 00:30 # Report

    This is precisely what made Ciel and Kohaku the most unpopular heroines in Tsukihime, and Sakura the least popular in Fate/stay Night.

     
    Comment by Robodood
    06-12-2008 05:44 # Report

    Well, Ciel had her own popularity issues outside of being non-virginal.

    I thought Kohaku was more popular than that. Oh well, her and Sakura were the more interesting female leads out of their respective casts, so hell with otaku.

     
     
     
     
    Comment by Tan_abian
    10-11-2008 22:52 # Report

    I had preferred if Nagi could keep on being innocent and pure.

    For me it is enough that real people like us like to talk about how many boy or girlfriends they had, how much sex they get and so.

    For romantic character like Nagi in a rabukome like Kannagi I want something more innocent that reminds of the time I was a young boy in school.

    But, there is still no proof that Nagi has not been more innocent than normal persons like I would expect a holy tree god to be and I do not really expect to read that Nagi has been dirty in the manga, so I will not lose hope!

    Comment by lolwut
    17-12-2008 05:15 # Report

    Granted, i’ve only read whats been translated, and I havn’t watched the anime in a while, but isn’t Nagi not attracted to Jin in the first place? She even stated that she already had someone she loved. More likely love interest is Tsugumi.

     
     
    Comment by pus2meong
    10-11-2008 23:09 # Report

    Well, i don’t mind with this “second hand” thing. Just look at the good side, She got experience in sex, and might satisfy you :P

    Or may be I’m not too obsessed with 2D chars virginity status…? XD

    Comment by Tk
    10-11-2008 23:29 # Report

    let see

    if you see your gfriend having sex with another with another guy.

    well, probably is something like that what the otakus are feeling right now.

    Comment by kuromitsu
    11-11-2008 05:09 # Report

    Of course thinking that a fictional character written by someone else has cheated on you is ridiculous and pathetic, so…

     
    Comment by pus2meong
    11-11-2008 21:44 # Report

    But in this scenario, ex boy friend right? It mean i don’t have to see it. And in the past time anyway XD.

     
     
     
    Comment by Persocom-san
    10-11-2008 23:35 # Report

    this is just dumb, and Nagi ftw

     
    Comment by ToastCrust
    11-11-2008 00:34 # Report

    I bet most will keep on buying regardless to see for sure that she’s impure, or this is a ploy to later confirm her purity and have buyers come out in droves suddenly >_>

     
    Comment by potatoe
    11-11-2008 00:49 # Report

    I guess she won’t be winning saimoe any time soon.

     
    Comment by Anonymous
    11-11-2008 01:26 # Report

    They are arguing over whether a tree is a virgin.

    A TREE. IS A VIRGIN.

    Comment by Artefact
    11-11-2008 01:34 # Report

    Clearly no seed bearing tree is likely to be a virgin, due to the mechanics of pollination.

    Comment by Darkoneko
    11-11-2008 15:32 # Report

    Yeah, that just mean the guy is a bee or a butterfly or something…

    Comment by Squigie
    14-01-2009 19:50 # Report

    Actually, the guy would be another tree, or the same tree, depending on species. The bee would be more like the turkey baster.

     
     
     
    Comment by Anonymous
    22-06-2009 14:30 # Report

    quoting this first guy

    “A TREE. IS A VIRGIN.”

    in response…

    “A TREE. HAS AN EX-BOYFRIEND?”

     
     
    Comment by insert name
    11-11-2008 02:32 # Report

    “see your gfriend having sex with another with another guy.”

    Thats exactly what I was thinking.
    I’m still not able to dislike her, but it somehow rly makes me sad. D:

    It was the same with Kohaku and Sakura.
    But I guess I was more disturbed about the fact that the poor girls were being raeped when they were young…

    Well, for me there is no need for a 2D girl being not a virgin. Just makes you feeling down. xD

    @KonW
    I think she was a virgin. There is blood when she slept with Shirou the first time. Though she says afterwards “I know how to make a man happy.”…

    Comment by AsakuraZero
    11-11-2008 03:21 # Report

    artefact get a forum.

    on topic… wtf! this putting the humanity in shame =( how low can people get.

    still this made me lol

    Comment by Artefact
    11-11-2008 08:51 # Report

    Maybe time to look into that. There’s one on the Channel, but it isn’t very fully featured…

    Comment by AsakuraZero
    11-11-2008 10:09 # Report

    im commenting it because this comment section became a discussion more than comments

     
     
     
    Comment by KonW
    11-11-2008 18:43 # Report

    OK,although i remember it clearly ,still, i searched out my disk, fortunately with my savedata still alive, loaded into the game, and SCRUTINIZED(lol) the scene cg/pic again.
    there was definitely NO blood. or is it that i’m not hardened enough to find it?lol

    ok, this topic ends here.
    lol

    Comment by Manx
    25-01-2009 20:28 # Report

    No, Saber was definitely deflowered.

    The mosaic hides most of the details (like it usually does), but there is a thick streak of dark red blood visible just beneath it.

    Her comment about knowing how to “please a man” really doesn’t have to mean anything other than that she knows the technicalities of sex.

    Yeah, I know – I just had to defend her honor. :P

     
     
     
    Comment by Anonymous of /a/
    11-11-2008 03:27 # Report

    I thought all the rage came not from the fact that she had a boyfriend, but because she was using a pure boy romanticaly interested in her to work for the desires of his ex, who is, btw, a fucking god of impurities (lol, some people still think that there is a chance she’s still a virgin…), and a total ass.

     
    Comment by hagges01
    11-11-2008 03:50 # Report

    man so much fuss for this, I think Nagi’s so damn cute, and as ppl say, she’s a tree right now or something like that, she has a virgin body and adult’s mind, she still cute and nice for me =D

     
    Comment by ArcheR
    11-11-2008 03:59 # Report

    Wow. There’s a lot of comments here. Aretefact, what’re you heading for, 5,000,000 hits? I think this discussion alone may send you hurtling towards that number!

    Anyway, I don’t feel like writing out a long-ass comment so… the highlights:

    - Yes, otaku are pathetic when it comes to things like this. I weep for them, for they are my brothers.
    - It’s not actually outright stated that she has been “used” so it’s really annoying, but even so…
    - It’s a fictional character! Just find another show and move on! Oh, wait… Back to the first point.

    Comment by Efreet
    11-11-2008 05:07 # Report

    The Otaku don’t care for what you think, only what statisfies their own gratification.

    To put it like this, you love this girl (Nagi) so much you masturbate to her constantly, even despite loving/masturbating to other girls.

    But when you hear the love of your life has had a boyfriend, and that you might not be able to have that intimate, sexual experiance first time with her, and to best put it, someone might have ‘de-flowered’ her, or have even soiled her slightly, you would not be best pleased.

    Imagine a perfectionist unable to perfect.

    This is the Otaku’s turmoil, and the reason why this is so lulzworthy.

     
     
    Comment by Demonos
    11-11-2008 05:17 # Report

    After seeing her in the cosplay outfit in Episode 6, I could care less. If you’re going to consider all girls who’ve had a boyfriend “used goods”, idol or not, you’re going to live one long and lonely life.

    Comment by Winterknell
    11-11-2008 05:48 # Report

    Comments like that explain the whole 2D marriage thing perfectly.

     
     
    Comment by I draw the line at 0 men
    11-11-2008 05:39 # Report

    Pre-owned 2D girls are worse than virgin 3D women.

    Disgusting.

     
    Comment by Darkoneko
    11-11-2008 06:26 # Report

    Wow, I think a new limit was blasted in term of human stupidity…

     
    Comment by Kaioshin Sama
    11-11-2008 06:31 # Report

    It’s funny because western fans have that way of making snap judgements on a product based on the most irrelevant of reasons too.

    Comment by Darkoneko
    11-11-2008 15:29 # Report

    well, looks like each country has it’s own way to do so :)

    Comment by Clead
    10-12-2008 00:48 # Report

    I’m not sure if I’m a western or an eastern (spain here), but may I be the only one who thinks that some plots go to waste because they go around of some stupid virginity eternally?

    I SUMMON THEE, MAIN MALE CHAR, FUCK YOUR HEROINE WITH PASSION AND MAKE THE OTAKUS CRY!!!

     
     
     
    Comment by Saouri
    11-11-2008 07:17 # Report

    O___O
    That’s why Japanese population is old and the birth rate decrease…
    This guys need real women, not dakimakura “waifu” or whatever.

    They are so sick.

     
    Comment by Garland
    11-11-2008 07:21 # Report

    This is me making another comment, woo.

    Well, having given the subject a bit of thought, I can only come to this conclusion. Being something of a virgin myself, I tried to picture how these people think:

    You’re getting older. That’s a natural fact. Most people have their first sexual experience round their late teens, some in early twenties. They probably at least want to do this with people of a similar age-group and, thus, level of experience.

    Once you start hitting mid-20s higher, being a virgin makes you something of a rarity. There aren’t really that many of the opposite gender with the same non-existant level of experience anymore. And those who are, are generally in the same boat as you and are too uncomfortable with approaching strangers to get it on.

    Now, the years go by, you’re a sad, bitter loner and the only thing that keeps you going is that, at least these 2-D / idol-girls are as “pure” as you. “purity” here being sexual experience, usually not age.

    It’s a kind of mental trap. And when you’ve led yourself into it you’ve become so dependant upon this fictional person that when it is revealed that she was “better than you”, everything falls to pieces.

    I still feel absolutely no pity for these sad excuses for men, however. It is exactly this kind of idolization that presents impossible women to growing young men and raise their mental bars for how women should be like.

    It is, as some have said, sexist and unfair, but that’s just how it is.

    This was a completely biased post by someone who should’ve been doing something better with his time. I still like Nagi and I’ll still watch Kannagi.

    Comment by Efreet
    11-11-2008 19:51 # Report

    http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8163/1226226255118mn7.png

    As mentioned before, this perfectly sums it up.

     
    Comment by alex1_phang3
    13-11-2008 02:41 # Report

    I totally agree with what Garland typed until paragraph 7 (although it hit me hard . . . VERY HARD)

    As far as I know (I haven’t seen the manga yet), from the OP of the show, Nagi would be the kinda character that would be the idol kind of character . . .

    So, back to basics, why do this idol business so successful? Ask yourself this question and you’ll know why is this all happening (although I wont disregard the possibility that this might be another ploy by the author to boost sales or something)

    Although the matter has not been confirmed, I can understand why and how they feel when they got the news . . .

     
    Comment by lolwut
    17-12-2008 05:17 # Report

    Yea, I like the concept of it, and Nagi’s speech form is always a killer for me xD.

    Rage is nerdrage, just laugh at it and troll them hard!

     
     
    Comment by I draw the line at 0 men
    11-11-2008 07:34 # Report

    >Others hold this to be the era of Zange-chan, available for a mere ¥100 a go…

    Did you just call my sweet pure angel Zange-chan, a prostitute?

     
    Comment by raikentb
    11-11-2008 07:41 # Report

    Crimany, I’ve never seen so many comments in a news article. (0_o;)

     
    Comment by Someone
    11-11-2008 08:38 # Report

    Wait, wait, wait. Wait. What does the chapter actually say? Is everyone just drawing to conclusions?

    And congrats to a new landmark. I have never seen so many comments posted here…

     
    Comment by kall
    11-11-2008 10:13 # Report

    Too bad that there’s rumours of Nagi being a filthy one now.

    At least there’s still Zange-chan and Tsugumi!

     
    Comment by Erml
    11-11-2008 10:51 # Report

    Sometimes I just love otakus. Always good for guilty lulz.

     
    Comment by Lantis
    11-11-2008 11:52 # Report

    This kind of delusional behaviour takes a little down my otaku pride. It’s a little excessive, IMO.

    A ‘fetish’ with a character is fine, I think, but this is simply too much.

    Asd, I lost a little the idea of the rest of my comment .-.

    I Hope I express well enough.

     
    Comment by Brizzle
    11-11-2008 12:16 # Report

    To all those who will settle for nothing but a virgin wife: Good luck with that. I’ll be here in the real world.

    Seriously, sex is a human thing. People do it.

    Comment by potatoe
    11-11-2008 12:36 # Report

    The thing is some people don’t exactly watch anime to experience more of the real world.

    Comment by insert name
    11-11-2008 14:44 # Report

    exactly!

     
     
     
    Comment by metatron
    11-11-2008 12:54 # Report

    Oh U Otakus~

     
    Comment by insert name
    11-11-2008 15:30 # Report

    Oh yeah btw, I just remembered that her vessel is a piece of her own tree and thus it’s a “new” body.
    She is some kind of non-virginal virgin. xD

     
    Comment by frog212
    11-11-2008 15:30 # Report

    I wonder what the author will do in the next chapter?

    Comment by KonW
    11-11-2008 19:03 # Report

    I think he’ll continue to emphasize the ex-bf thing but at the same time slightly hint the fact of Nagi actually being a tree/god and the intactness of the body gained from a newly made sculpture, which she is now using and thus made Nagi the Nagi we all are now familiar and MOEed with…
    otherwise, he will……
    well,,,

    Comment by Artefact
    11-11-2008 19:16 # Report

    Author is a lady.

    Comment by KonW
    11-11-2008 20:57 # Report

    !!!

    囧….

     
    Comment by Almost A Hero
    12-11-2008 03:04 # Report

    I almost hope the author does reveal that they’ve slept together in the coming chapters, just to cock a snook at these ridiculous antics. I mean, is this the audience she really wants?

    Has this level of otaku-ness always existed? Or is this indicative of the growing problem in the realm of “non-casual” anime and manga, as reported in http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/11/11/gonzo-guts-anime-production-over-losses-output-to-halve/?

    “Sure, I slept with my EX-BOYFRIEND, but at least I wasn’t a ’stud’ who fucked every girl with a tight peach and nice rack.”

     
    Comment by Artefact
    12-11-2008 09:29 # Report

    It seems in recent years there have been problems with otaku histrionics in a number of titles, but I’m not sure the behaviour existed in the nineties? Perhaps the influence of the Internet on fan thinking?

     
     
     
     
    Comment by Jade
    11-11-2008 16:19 # Report

    i believe if the author proceed the story with Nagi actually had intimate relationship with her ex-bf
    he will definetely get a death threat from those otaku
    (go with NGE style…

     
    Comment by dood
    11-11-2008 19:36 # Report

    maybe Zange’s sign says this :

    http://licd.com/comic/20070904 (4th panel)

     
    Comment by Virgin Otaku
    11-11-2008 23:19 # Report

    Hi,

    I’m a virgin otaku and some of the comments made are broad generalizations.

    I don’t mind non-virgin waifu, because deflowering is violent and bloody and I don’t want to do that to someone I love.

    If only lady don’t insist on having grand church weddings in pure white dress then I have no problems with non-virgin wife. But if she wants De Beer’s diamond engagement ring mined from the dead corpses of Leonardo Dicaprio’s South African extras which means I am paying full price for my bride, she better have p**** reserved just for me. In summary, I will still ‘buy’ (i.e. marry). But gimme good discount, please. With worsening global economy, not everyone is getting richer.

    But definitely no child from another man! No, no, no! That child was your choice and I will not support you. Women with kid in tow seeking never-married men seems to be a trend nowadays.

    Also, most boys in my country get first experience from an older more experienced friend. I understand since I like onee-san big-sister characters best.

    But I understand the trouble here because Nagi is not a big sister character… she is definitely a pure love character so that’s why it shatters expectations because all the stereotypes are not met exactly.

     
    Comment by EmO
    12-11-2008 00:54 # Report

    Man~~~

    What the hell is this?

    Just because Nagi had a boyfriend before, it doesn’t mean that she HAD SEX with him, right? I mean.. Seriously… I think their brain is already messy.. So fucking stupid retarded…

    I really love Nagi so that’s why I really hate otakus who thinks that she’s not a virgin anymore.. IT’S NOT OFFICIAL, DAMMIT!!!

    Comment by Artefact
    12-11-2008 00:57 # Report

    I think you’re missing the point. The issue at hand is all the maniacs who obsess over the virginity of Nagi-sama…

     
     
    Comment by D4RK-PH0ENiX
    12-11-2008 15:49 # Report

    Personally, I don’t mind if she’s “second-hand”. Just give her to me now :3

     
    Comment by Darknemo2000
    12-11-2008 21:14 # Report

    I think they initally were pissed by this pic

    http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20ta8.jpg

    And only later it turned into virgin talks and slut talks out of frustration, since Nagi seemed to completely ignore Jin for the sake of Ozuma (or whatever his name should be spelled).

    Oh well, it will probably hurt the author financially but I hope they story itself won’t be damaged by this whole fuss.

     
    Comment by the atheist one
    14-11-2008 01:07 # Report

    that “second-hand” wife has no need of a retarded otaku like you all

    let her be with the one she like can’t you?

    that is the least you could do to show your love

     
    Comment by Tyrenol
    16-11-2008 01:21 # Report

    I’m just going to laugh.

    I stopped at the image of the male lead looking like a retard. I also stopped at where the tag line says “the guy is useless.” I could be fooled with shows like Certain Magical Index, but no more.

    The otaku-tachi always seem to throw a fit whenever someone else’s penis ruins their otaku dreams of having a waifu. Those who can; need to get out more and have lives before it’s too late for them.

     
    Comment by DemonLordShugo
    16-11-2008 08:29 # Report

    Idiots!!
    This is why we sane-otaku keep a low profile

     
    Comment by Chris
    17-11-2008 03:57 # Report

    It’s amusing because, if they hadn’t brought up the issue of whether or not she was a virgin, the thought never would have really even come to me.

    Haha, not that I really care, but it just goes to show the kind of mania you’d need to get that crazy.

    The the maggots should be happy, really. If she had, she at least lost it to someone – anyone, less pathetic than them. Might seem harsh, but come on. Listen to them. It’s hilarious.

    Comment by Zenga
    17-11-2008 23:22 # Report

    Izit Nagi is virgin is tat important?

     
     
    Comment by Tang
    19-11-2008 23:01 # Report

    Ridiculous.

     
    Comment by kenjiharima
    21-11-2008 05:21 # Report

    Maybe this will teach the manga writers to keep the girls in there story fresh virgins. lol.

    Comment by unico
    22-11-2008 11:58 # Report

    Manga-ka should not be threatened over something trivial and especially threatened to change their work.
    Actually this should apply to novelist and comicbook creators in general.

    Jaded fans thinking they have the rights to someones creation. Those types are pitiful and dangerous.

    Comment by Kabayongtao
    09-12-2008 04:11 # Report

    well said.

     
     
     
    Comment by Faker Faux
    23-11-2008 16:17 # Report

    Nagi and her ex-boyfriend

    The latest chapter that clarifies everything

    http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV1tGJqS

    Courtesy of Faker Faux Escanlation xD

    Comment by Anonymous
    22-06-2009 14:47 # Report

    rofl

     
     
    Comment by Hahaha
    27-11-2008 16:21 # Report

    Interesting twist, i’m not mad at the fact not nagi may not be a virgin, but of the fact that jin basically got used.

     
    Comment by Onni
    29-11-2008 00:49 # Report

    Yay, Nagi-sama has gotten laid, unlike the pathetic virgin fucks who have made a big deal out of this.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01-12-2008 05:48 # Report

    Wow, both side is pretty pathetic. Personally, I would rather like her stay clean but if that’s not the case, there should not be an outrage over it. The other side is pretty pathetic too. Because someone wants their idol to be clean does not mean that it’s because they want to screw her.

    Personally I believe in sex afte marriage but who knows, he might be someone who she actually cares about so stop freakin calling her a slut or a whore already.

     
     
    Comment by Anonymous
    06-12-2008 02:07 # Report

    eastern fail as an individual

     
    Comment by Guynamedmystery
    06-12-2008 03:03 # Report

    well i understand where there coming from i guess, theres probably more to their argument anyways.

    the show does over stimulate her innocence to death

    kind of makes it hard for otaku who had genuinely ‘love’ for her character, to find out shes wearing the scarlet kanji.

     
    Comment by Daisuke
    07-12-2008 12:31 # Report

    hahaha, this explains those comments of “Pre-owned waifu” I read a month ago back when I got into Kannagi with watching the OP

    I thought they were just trolling around at first

    but still

    it’s a fictional character

    people need t calm down here

     
    Comment by Neo X Alucard
    13-12-2008 17:27 # Report

    HA ha hahahaha and LOL well back to reality.

     
    Comment by Anonymous
    18-12-2008 06:38 # Report

    I notice a lot of the type of misogyny among Otaku from both sides of the world. Even on English speaking image board, while they don’t make such a big deal about a fictional character, they still loudly insult any woman who they deem to be “slutty” even if when they are perfectly normal. This anger is mainly rooted in their frustration and anger due to the fact that they all know that they will never ever be with a woman, even if they where alive for a thousand years like Kannagi has.

    Plus, I would feel sorry for kannagi if she really where a virgin, over 1000 years of life and no sex at all? thats too dull an existence to contemplate. Otaku need to understand that no woman will ever be willing to sty pure for that long just so they can please some geeky loser. They need to learn that the only way they can ever have sex or get married would be if they meet a woman who is very easy and or desperate. That, or change their attitude severely, get a real social life and stop judging fictional women so harshly.

    I personally think that making Kannagi a non-virgin is a very good move on the part of the Manga-Ka. It differs from what one would expect of that character and it is a plot twist that has never been done before an original idea, and most mange these days are truly lacking in originality. Now I know why, Otaku send death threats to anyone who dares write something that goes against their ridiculous status quo.

     
    Comment by Anonymous
    18-12-2008 10:14 # Report

    The otaku culture and their abundance of idiocy(Yes I’ll attack them as a collective and generalize all of them!) never ceases to amaze me. I know it probably has been stated over a thousand times in response to this article alone but….

    NAGI DOESN’T EXIST LOLOLZ.

    Now enjoy your shattered dreams! Maybe they should get out and try to find a real girlfriend?

     
    Comment by んーん
    27-12-2008 13:47 # Report

    Didn’t during the Medieval time there were alot of pre-arrange marriage and women didn’t have much choice, in picking a suitor or a choice of not getting into relationship/married right?

     
    Comment by Cyber1
    20-01-2009 01:23 # Report

    We don’t know whether Nagi can/could have sex in first place. I mean, she (or should I say ‘it’?) doesn’t have to have a 100% female body (unlike Zange that has posessed a REAL girl). We don’t know how long does she exist, how many vessels she had before and what she did (not do) to them..
    To sum up, there’s nothing to base this rant upon. It’s just plain stupid.

     
    Comment by Devoto
    12-02-2009 06:41 # Report

    I find it kind of quaint and childish of them to think that people only have sex in relationships. Even if she *hadn’t* had a boyfriend, it certainly wouldn’t mean she hadn’t had sex.

     
    Comment by Anonymous
    29-03-2009 13:30 # Report

    People that would throw up such a fit over something so incredibly trivial only deserve to be shot as an example of the kind of filth the world should never put up with having to cater to.

     
    Comment by COSMO
    01-04-2009 13:51 # Report

    Well personally I don’t care whether a girl is a virgin or not, it’s past already right? ^-^

    But why don’t we look it this way: Nagi is a goddess, she might had a lover previously in her life. Well I don’t know wheteher she had sex or not, but at present, Nagi’s SOUL resides in FAUX BODY created by Jin right? So basically the faux body is definitely a VIRGIN!! Because it’s recently made and no guys have ever plunge it yet!! (^0^)HURRAY!!

    I’m wondering why those many otakus didn’t notice this… (-_-)??

     
    Comment by kenzipo
    08-04-2009 07:05 # Report

    Everyone’s got unreasonable expectations. Men want adorable sexually skilled yet completely inexperienced virgin moeblobs. Women want compassionate sensitive fresh-scented strong-willed manly men who make 10 million yen per year.

    It ain’t happening.

     



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